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Why are there so many repeals popping up at voting time in the UN??

I understand the need for refinement and reexamination of past propositions, but the UN needs to become slightly more progressive if it is to assert its place as the democratic hub of the NS world.

Why are there so many repeals popping up at voting time in the UN??

I understand the need for refinement and reexamination of past propositions, but the UN needs to become slightly more progressive if it is to assert its place as the democratic hub of the NS world.

It's just a minor surge in the amount of repeals currently reaching quorum. There is still new legislation being drafted or refined for submission, and some of these repeals are intended to make room for replacement legislation. The BioWeapon Repeal that is coming to vote soon falls under that category. The replacement has been drafted, refined, and will be submitted by one of the members of DEFCON as soon as the previous legislation is removed.

Don't worry about the current amount of repeals. It'll pass. People just need inspiration for new legislation. Sometimes, that means spending some time cleaning the attic, getting rid of old junk, before you can go get more stuff to put up there.

You don't like it? Write a non-repeal.

Why are there so many repeals popping up at voting time in the UN??

I understand the need for refinement and reexamination of past propositions, but the UN needs to become slightly more progressive if it is to assert its place as the democratic hub of the NS world.


First of all, more laws is not a sign of progress, no matter how you look at it.

Second of all, without a capable system to enact amendments, the only way to change existing resolutions is to repeal the existing resolution.

(Not trying to be difficult, the second part was explained to me last night.)

First of all, more laws is not a sign of progress, no matter how you look at it.

Second of all, without a capable system to enact amendments, the only way to change existing resolutions is to repeal the existing resolution.

(Not trying to be difficult, the second part was explained to me last night.)

Fair points all. It seems that the UN system is a little too simple though. If there was a way to categorise or collate all the passed resolutions into a database that was easily accessible and readable, then people would know what has already been passed or repealed or is not yet legislation. I don't know. Just a thought.

Fair points all. It seems that the UN system is a little too simple though. If there was a way to categorise or collate all the passed resolutions into a database that was easily accessible and readable, then people would know what has already been passed or repealed or is not yet legislation. I don't know. Just a thought.

You mean something like this (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Index_of_UN_Resolutions)?

Fair points all. It seems that the UN system is a little too simple though. If there was a way to categorise or collate all the passed resolutions into a database that was easily accessible and readable, then people would know what has already been passed or repealed or is not yet legislation. I don't know. Just a thought.

It seems to me that just organizing all this into a usable form was a herculean task. To think they did all of this for free actually blows the mind.

You mean something like this (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Index_of_UN_Resolutions)?

Or this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=357572), or this (http://www.nationstates.net/-1/page=UN_past_resolutions).

They're just laid out chronologically, but they're all there.

Why are there so many repeals popping up at voting time in the UN??

Because not enough people are submitting new resolutions.

And because there is a large group of UN members who want the UN to interfere with as little as possible. Repealing legislation is an entirely valid method of achieving that goal.

Nevertheless, I'd love to see an amendment system working. It shouldn't be too hard, technically. I think the biggest objection is the time it would cost to moderate it, because a simple amendment can have big consequences and has many ways of being improper or illegal.

Because not enough people are submitting new resolutions.

And because there is a large group of UN members who want the UN to interfere with as little as possible. Repealing legislation is an entirely valid method of achieving that goal.

Nevertheless, I'd love to see an amendment system working. It shouldn't be too hard, technically. I think the biggest objection is the time it would cost to moderate it, because a simple amendment can have big consequences and has many ways of being improper or illegal.


For amendments, see here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12048208&postcount=173). They ain't goin to be happenin any time soon, or possibly ever. It's not in the moderators hands for them to decide one way or the other. It's for the Game Administrators (Salusa Secondus, [violet], Max) to enact, and they are not inclined to do so.

True... the idea for cataloguing was suggested mainly so that those who wish to suggest a new resolution know which areas are covered by existing legislation.

For amendments, see here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12048208&postcount=173).

Thanks. What I thought, only that it is also technically difficult to implement.

The only way it could work is by allowing amendments to be made before a resolution is passed, in the approving/voting stage. Once it is in place, all you can do is repeal.
An in-between form could be a combination of repeal and replace in one go.

It would all still depend on the admins wanting to code the changes though, and it's not urgent enough to spend time on.

It seems that the UN system is a little too simple though. If there was a way to categorise or collate all the passed resolutions into a database that was easily accessible and readable, then people would know what has already been passed or repealed or is not yet legislation. I don't know. Just a thought.

Time to brag:

There is actually a linked list on the ACCEL forums with the categories indexed by color.

Fair points all. It seems that the UN system is a little too simple though. If there was a way to categorise or collate all the passed resolutions into a database that was easily accessible and readable, then people would know what has already been passed or repealed or is not yet legislation. I don't know. Just a thought.Something like this (ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/UN_Timeline)?

Something like this (ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/UN_Timeline)?

Aah... excellent. Thanks a bunch :cool:

I am waiting for the 'Repeal: United Nations'.

Repeal 'United Nations'
Category: Repeal
Resolution: #0
Proposed by: David6

RECOGNIZING the need in the minds of some to make everyone else exactly like they are,

CONCEDING that this has become the purpose of the NationStates United Nations

BELIEVING that this is not a purpose that is to be supported;

CONCERNED about the many sovereignty-encroaching and poorly written UN resolutions,

NOTING that the these resolutions significantly outnumber the resolutions which positively affect UN member nations without violating national sovereignty,

THEREFORE CONCLUDING that the UN is a detriment to the NS multiuniverse,

HEREBY REPEALS Resolution #0 United Nations,

URGES the speedy creation of an organization that manages the environment, encourages free trade, and protects security without loophole-filled resolutions and rampant stupidity in its membership.

Meh. Fonzo's version was funnier.

I was trying to keep it as serious as possible. Post Fonzo's version for me, Kenny.