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I was just wandering what the rest of the UN's thoughts on global warming are. If you have anything to say about it go right ahead.

My thoughts on global warming are that we've gone through this before. What proof do you have that there is such a thing as global warming in the NS world?

Dahlia Dioce
UN Representative
Harem of Karmicaria

OOC: NS does not = Real life.

My thoughts on global warming? I am for it. We must do everything in our power to stop the menace that is climate and the evil corportations that cause it.

Perhaps you should introduce a resolution to establish an inter-government agency to monitor meteorological events and climate in the NS world before starting a discussion on or a resolution about climate change within the NS world. Maybe a geological agency too.

Metrics! Bring me charts and spreadsheets! It's all about metrics!

I was just wandering what the rest of the UN's thoughts on global warming are. If you have anything to say about it go right ahead.

Ok, you asked for it...

The thing about the global warming debate is there is a lot of debate and virtually no facts.

I'm not going to try to go into the debate here, except to say thatthe majority of the people doing the debating couldn't read a mathmatical formula, but they do prtty good on extremist press releases.

However, there are a few facts that need to be addressed...

1. The earth has warmed up approximately 1/2 of one degree in the last hundred years on average ending aproximately three years ago when the temperature started to drop.

Some people estimate that the drop in temperatures ofer the last three years has exceeded the previous gain, but without a more reliable standard of measurement (believe it or not, one of the biggest scientific debates is actually how to measure all of this) we're kind of at a loss as to what exactly is really happening.

Ok, so the half a degree is maybe not a fact, more of an estimate based on opinion.

However...

2. The temperature of Mars (which is actually more accurately and reliably measured that earth's) has risen by the same rate in the time we have measured it. Which suggests that Global warming is a natural process controlled by the sun.

There is a big freaking hole in that theory.

Mars orbits the sun at approximately twice the distance of the earth, and has roughly one quarter the surface area of the earth. Given that, the amount of solar radiation it can absorb, even assuming a 95% CO2 atmosphere would be roughly, actually I don't know the math right off hand, but the farther from the fire you sit, the colder you are, right?

So, what does that all mean?

Earth and Mars are rising in temperature at the same rate, yet there is far more reason for the earth to rise in temperature.

What that means in a nut shell is that we had better hope that Global Warming is man made, because we're not warming up anywhere near fast enough.

And with the decline in temperatures over the last three years, the end result is pretty obvious. We're headed into an Ice Age folks. Wether it be the mini-ice age we have every so ofter, or the big sucker that happens every 20,000 years or so, I and no one else can say for certain.

And what that means is that once again, we need all the global warming we can get through any source possible, if we don't get it, we're going to have some major disasters, and the glaciers will be among your biggest concerns.

Well, that and food.

Ok, you asked for it...

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OOC:Who's earth?

This is all fine and dandy for a real life debate, but this isn't real life. This is NationStates and NationStates does not equal real life.

OOC:Who's earth?

This is all fine and dandy for a real life debate, but this isn't real life. This is NationStates and NationStates does not equal real life.


He asked, I answered...

And if we are not going to deal with the real life basis for the question, what model would you like me to use?

You're just assuming that the NS world has a problem with Global Warming. From what I remember about the numerous debates over this, this really isn't a problem. Especially for nations that are in a different plain of existence. If I'm wrong, I'm sure that there's someone here who will correct me.

If you want to debate the RL issue of Global Warming, take it to general.

You're just assuming that the NS world has a problem with Global Warming. From what I remember about the numerous debates over this, this really isn't a problem. Especially for nations that are in a different plain of existence. If I'm wrong, I'm sure that there's someone here who will correct me.

If you want to debate the RL issue of Global Warming, take it to general.

I'm new here, this is the first time someone has tried to tell me that earth is not the standard we're dealing with.

And I am hard pressed to believe that every proposal and resolution is not based upon some event in the real world.

Yes, most, if not all, resolutions are bases loosely on RL. However, if you make blatant real life references in your proposals, they will get deleted for being illegal.

Write a proposal about possibly doing something to stop Global Warming from becoming a problem, but as it stands, I'm pretty sure it's not actually a problem within the NS world.

And I do apologise for not realising that you're new here. It seems that the NS world exists as a multiverse, with nations existing in various different times and dimensions. We've even got nations that are entirely made up of Gnomes, Sweet fluffy bunnies and invisible wabbits!

Welcome to NationStates!

Yes, most, if not all, resolutions are bases loosely on RL. However, if you make blatant real life references in your proposals, they will get deleted for being illegal.

Write a proposal about possibly doing something to stop Global Warming from becoming a problem, but as it stands, I'm pretty sure it's not actually a problem within the NS world.

And I do apologise for not realising that you're new here. It seems that the NS world exists as a multiverse, with nations existing in various different times and dimensions. We've even got nations that are entirely made up of Gnomes, Sweet fluffy bunnies and invisible wabbits!

Welcome to NationStates!


Ok, I gotta ask...

Assuming that we are dealing with multiple realities with obviously different laws of physics, and the varying needs those realities would require...

For example, an aquatic species would see flooding as a boon, while a sodium based life form would be terrified of interaction with water...

How could one set of rules, or even one governing body hope to cope with this situation?

I'm new here, this is the first time someone has tried to tell me that earth is not the standard we're dealing with.Well, my nation alone has more people than the real Earth does...

Also, consider this: The United Nations has 26,374 member nations and 1,850 Regional Delegates.The membership of the NS UN is roughly 130 times the number of nations in the real world. There's roughly 9 times as many delegates as the real world has nations.

Clearly, the NS world is very different from the real one.

Ok, I gotta ask...

Assuming that we are dealing with multiple realities with obviously different laws of physics, and the varying needs those realities would require...

For example, an aquatic species would see flooding as a boon, while a sodium based life form would be terrified of interaction with water...

How could one set of rules, or even one governing body hope to cope with this situation?

That is definitely challenging. I would guess that the majority of nations are human, or close enough, and most of our resolutions reflect that. But there are always the odd cases, and if the right resolution comes up when the right "odd case" is present, we can have some interesting debates. :)

As for my insistance on dealing with RL, please see this link http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=519211

It's pretty obvious where they are going and where they are comming from.

:rolleyes:

As for my insistance on dealing with RL, please see this link http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=519211

It's pretty obvious where they are going and where they are coming from.

....obvious? Apparently not. It seems very much that there is some concern for flood plains and the people that reside upon them. If you're trying to tie that into Global Warming, keep in mind that flood plains exist all on their own (and have for millenia) without the polar ice caps melting or the earth warming up.

If that's not it, then I am uncertain how you are connecting the Climate Refugee Commission to RL.

Global Warming certainly has appeared in that thread, even though you can certainly have flooding without GW. And, here is my own opinion on the subject:

In that hypothetical land known as RL Earth, the subject has become badly politicized ON BOTH SIDES! One side neglects that fact that our climate has heated and cooled in cycles since before its dinosaurs existed and would be doing so regardless of humanity. The other side ignores the fact that polution damages the world regardless of whether GW is overblown.

As far as NS is concerned, it's anyone's guess. There are a great many civilizations on NS, some of which probably out-pollute anything on RL Earth. But it's also larger than Earth (Hack mentioned that his nation is bigger than the whole planet, and there are other nations in that range), so it would take more to damage it.

Is GW a threat to NS? I'd give it a definite maybe, but it is a valid topic, IMO.

....obvious? Apparently not. It seems very much that there is some concern for flood plains and the people that reside upon them. If you're trying to tie that into Global Warming, keep in mind that flood plains exist all on their own (and have for millenia) without the polar ice caps melting or the earth warming up.

If that's not it, then I am uncertain how you are connecting the Climate Refugee Commission to RL.

Please note the intention to assign refugees based on presumed environmental impact.

While this is not straight out of the global warmiong debate, it is obviously HEAVILY influenced by it.

I was just wandering what the rest of the UN's thoughts on global warming are.

The UN has no thoughts. Well it has thoughts but I don't want to think about them. I'll gladly give you my thoughts which does not always represent the thoughts of my nation, my region, or the UN.

Global warming is a major and important problem for the Nationstates UN. The economies of both warm tropical paradises and cold snow covered ski resorts all depend on maintaining the status quo of world weather. More importantly there is a significant amount of money to be made on the topic of global warming and the thought of not personally making that money is just downright anticapitalistic.

I believe that a global UN carbon cap along with a solid viable carbon credit trading system would be in the best intersts of all who want to make a fast unit of local currency and should be persued by someone who won't get torn to shreads for trying to propose such a nice free trade resolution.

Other than that, I have no opinion on the myth of Global Warming in NS.