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This is a draft of a replacement for the UN Bio-Weapons Ban that currently has a repeal attempt aimed at it. It had been put together by many of the minds involved in the DEFCON collective. We believe that it is much more coherent, effective, and appropriate legislation than what is currently on the books.

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UN Bio Agent Convention
Category: Global Disarmament
Strength: Significant
Authored by: Kivisto

The United Nations

COGNIZANT of the extraneous hazards and risks inherent in the use of biological weaponry;

RECOGNIZING the unpredictable and indiscriminate nature of such weaponry and the inherent risks that they pose to combatants and non-combatants alike;

REALIZES that the proliferation of biological weaponry will lead to an increasing threat to international peace and security;

DECIDES that banning the use of biological weaponry will be more effective at protecting national and international peace than allowing them will;

Therefore

1-DEFINES Biological Agent as any infectious microorganism that is capable of producing lethal or debilitating disease and that has reasonable potential for military application;

2-DEFINES Biological Weapon to be a weapon system or component thereof that is specifically designed for the purpose of delivery or dispersal of a biological agent or agents;

3-DECLARES that such weapons and agents are unnecessary for the defense of a nation, and carry too much risk of collateral damage to be effectively utilized in any capacity;

4-MANDATES that member nations shall not develop, acquire, or possess, such weapons and agents; nor shall member nations assist other nations, organizations, or individuals, in the development, acquisition, or deployment of such weapons and agents, except as provided in Article 7 below;

5-OBLIGES member nations to prohibit and take active steps to prevent non-state entities operating within their jurisdictions from development, acquisition, possession, trafficking or deployment of such weapons and agents;

6-REQUIRES that all such agents currently possessed by member nations for weapon use, whether stockpiled or currently in weapons, be diverted to peaceful purposes, or destroyed, through sterilization or other forms of neutralization, with all reasonable haste, and using the safest possible procedures;

7-PERMITS member nations to research, individually or collectively, such biological agents for peaceful purposes, including, but not limited to, the creation of vaccinations and treatments, the production and testing of decontamination measures, the production of medical countermeasure materials, or other strictly peaceful purposes, provided that appropriate and effective measures are taken with regard to safety and security;

8-ENCOURAGES member nations to engage in diplomatic discussion with non-member nations with the aim of reducing any biological weapons stockpiles outside the remit of this ban;

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Now up for vote. Run to the nearest polling station, then the one after that, then another.

Vote early, vote often. Unless you're against. Then, don't vote. A special delegation has been sent to the Chicago graveyards to begin tallying their ballots.

i applaud the conciseness of this bill and will pledge the support of my nation in getting it enacted in place of the old bill.

hmmm iz do not think that we should ban bio-weapon...if the need comes to control other people or avenge friends we will need the most poweful weapons possible

hmmm iz do not think that we should ban bio-weapon...if the need comes to control other people or avenge friends we will need the most poweful weapons possible

Frighteningly enough, Nuclear weapons bear less chance of harming the wrong people, are incredibly destructive, and you are guaranteed the right to use them by way of a few other resolutions on the books. If you feel you must use weapons of mass destruction for such purposes, then nuclear weapons will serve you much better than biologicals.

I was doubtful, but this replacement is accurate, concise, legible and solidly built.

Support.

We will undoubtedly vote for this proposal when, we devoutly hope, it comes to the floor of the chamber.

I confess to having been reluctant to support the repeal you are sponsoring but, having read this proposal, I am happy to declare that you have my full support for both endeavours.

Benedictions,

Some minor edits have been made to maintain consistency throughout the bill.

Bumped since the repeal is coming up to vote.

We applaud this concise and thorough replacement to the existing legislation and plan to provide it full support.

- Jinella Agaranth, Ambassador

Thankfully, this addresses my concerns with the repeal of the current ban. We cannot leave of vacuum of biological weapons research legislation for too long, lest the rogue nations of the international community take up research programs that endanger our security even further.

This has my, and my delegation's, full support to reach quorum as quickly as possible, should the repeal pass.

Pilot will actively support this resolution if it reaches the floor of the U.N. General Assembly.

OOC: Hey, Kiv! How about while you're waiting to sumit this, we come up with a title for it? :p

UN Biological Weapons Ban 2: This time it's personal

UN Biological Weapons Ban 2: This time it's personal

Oh boy! That's fricking funny! http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/JamieNesci/Smile%20Emos/z7shysterical.gif

Bio-Agent Convention?

The Kivistan Convention on Bioweapons?

The Pilot Should Read This Convention on Radiological Weapons?

Emphasis mine.

Biological Weapons, dear. :p


OOC: Now the UN forum is getting effected by the bloody time warp? Gah!

The Pilot Should Read This Convention on Radiological Weapons?

Emphasis mine.

Biological Weapons, dear. :p

You won't be laughing when the war comes. :P

OOC: Now the UN forum is getting effected by the bloody time warp? Gah!

OOC: clearly this is what we get for discussing time travel. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518935)

OOC: clearly this is what we get for discussing time travel. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518935)

OOC: No, it's what happens when Max goes with the lowest bidder for forum hosting.:D

UN Biological Weapons Ban 2: This time it's personalActually this is UN Biological Weapons Ban 3: Rise of the Militarist Dictators (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12396966&postcount=47). :p

Actually this is UN Biological Weapons Ban 3: Rise of the Militarist Dictators (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12396966&postcount=47). :p

It's really too bad that that won't fit the character limit for titles. :D

I look forward to voting for this legislation heartily (with my one vote, admittedly) when it reaches the floor of the UN.

Regards,
- Cornelius Higginbotham, Representative for New Archadia

"Though the damn Spooks won't like it, you have the full support of the Commonwealth. Good show."

Frighteningly enough, Nuclear weapons bear less chance of harming the wrong people, are incredibly destructive, and you are guaranteed the right to use them by way of a few other resolutions on the books. If you feel you must use weapons of mass destruction for such purposes, then nuclear weapons will serve you much better than biologicals.

While I strongly agree with you, the nature of Nuclear weapons is thatthey are extreemly expensive to develop, and as such their development is limited to firstworld nations.

Bio weapons, on the other hand, are relatively simple and cheap to produce, and can be aquired by every third rate terrorist or anarchist in sufficient volume to descimate to populations of entire continents, whether that was their intention or not.

Bio weapons, on the other hand, are relatively simple and cheap to produce, and can be aquired by every third rate terrorist or anarchist in sufficient volume to descimate to populations of entire continents, whether that was their intention or not.That sounds like a very good reason to legislate on them. :)

The PDSRA will, of course, support this.

Christelle Zyryanov (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Christelle_Zyryanov),
Ambassador to the United Nations,
PDSRA

That sounds like a very good reason to legislate on them. :)

While I agree, if all of our legislation is naught but Sound and Fury Signifying nothing, the the legislation of these items or any items is a pipe dream.

Who does enforce there regulations anyway?

Who does enforce there regulations anyway?

They do.

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They do.

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Frightning, so the UN does have it's own army after all. It's amazing the penetration they have achieved in our nations with no one being aware of their purpose.

We will, of course, now be banningthem from our secret laboratories immediately.

They do.


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I've gotta work that into my sig somehow!

EDIT: Sigged! :D

As promised I came here to read the text.

This resolution is far superior to the old document, the repeal of which I fully support.

I anticipate supporting this resolution fully with no regrets. Excellent job.

Thomas B. Lynniston, KCB
Ambassador to the UN
Commonwealth of Schwarzchild

Well thank God it allows for the use of macroorganisms like headcrab parasites.

Well thank God it allows for the use of macroorganisms like headcrab parasites.

OOC: I think I just threw up in my mouth.

OOC: I think I just threw up in my mouth.
May I recommend opening wide when faced with this unpleasant affliction? Better out than in, after all.

Benedictions,

May I recommend opening wide when faced with this unpleasant affliction? Better out than in, after all.

Not really. The damage of stomach acid on the esophagus has already been done on the upstroke, and the tongue already subjected to cruel and unusual treatment by said acids. If you ever had to throw up while in an elevator you realize that sometimes it’s more civil to keep it to yourself.

This is a great proposal written by great people of a great and gloreous nation and our humble nation is hopeing to see it come before the UN as a resolution very soon.

The replacement has been submitted. Delegates may place their approval here. (http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal1/match=convention)

You have the full support of the United States.

Signed,
David Swansea
David Swansea
UN Ambassador Pro Tempore
The United States of Cookesland

Go forth delegates and get this puppy in the que. A lot of good folks did their part by repealing the original. I will be encouraging my Delegate to approve it.

Might I humbly suggest an amendment or further legislature to create a database of the all the research defense samples of bioweapons maintained by every UN member or some means by which member states are charged with maintaining and updating a list of all biological agents they have samples of and ensuring proper security of aformentioned samples dependant upon the threat each may pose.

A way of tracking who has what will help prevent the loss of dangerous material or at least provide ample warning for the stockpiling of vaccines should it end up in the hands of rougue elements.

Might I also suggest that information relating to vaccine synthesis and all associated research be made available to all UN states or that the UN be charged with maintaining a stockpile of vaccines for quick dispatch to any states that fall under attack.

our nation looks forward to stamping out this criminally inhumane weapon.

Domingo Cojones
UN Ambassador for The People's Republic of Bar-steward

I've got a better idea...

Strip article 7 and replace it with the creation of a UN center for disease control, tasked with the study of biological, neural, and chemical agents, as well as plagues and genetic malladies.

By doing this, the production of these dangerous items could be monitored and maintained without the problems associated with individual nations, and vaccines could be shared out among member states.

In addition by attaching genetic maladies and plagues, you would increase funding and cooperation between countries for dealing with problems ranging from AIDS to Diabetes.

None of those changes can be made now that it has been submitted. It's also getting close to reaching quorum (to my delight). If, and I'm hoping that this is a big if, it fails, then the author might consider making the changes suggested. But, I highly doubt it. It took him, with the help of UNDEFCON, long enough to get it to the finished product that has been submitted.

Once this has reached the floor for voting, Karmicaria will be in full support of it.

Tana Petrov
UN Representative
Harem of Karmicaria

Might I humbly suggest an amendment or further legislature to create a database of the all the research defense samples of bioweapons maintained by every UN member or some means by which member states are charged with maintaining and updating a list of all biological agents they have samples of and ensuring proper security of aformentioned samples dependant upon the threat each may pose.

A way of tracking who has what will help prevent the loss of dangerous material or at least provide ample warning for the stockpiling of vaccines should it end up in the hands of rougue elements.

Might I also suggest that information relating to vaccine synthesis and all associated research be made available to all UN states or that the UN be charged with maintaining a stockpile of vaccines for quick dispatch to any states that fall under attack.

our nation looks forward to stamping out this criminally inhumane weapon.

Domingo Cojones
UN Ambassador for The People's Republic of Bar-steward

These are certainly worthwhile ideas, deserving careful consideration. Unfortunately, it's too late to have them included in the submitted proposal. Looking at them, though, we see nothing that would preclude a proposal which incorporated them if this one passes. There doesn't seem to be any contradiction or duplication involved.

If Ambassador Cojones would care to draft such a proposal, we'd be happy to try to help. This isn't a commitment to support the resulting proposal -- just an offer to give the effort a hand.

Amadeus T. Tankhurst
Brigadier, AoA
Military Attache

I would like to extend my heartfelt thanks to the military attache of Ausserland for his offer of help, be assured I will take him up on this kind offer and hopefully with his aid will be able craft a suitable proposal to plug any gaps people feel are left.

sincerely

Domingo Cojones
UN Ambassador for The People's Republic of Bar-steward

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Excellent! Perhaps we will soon be celebrating another victory for DEFCON (http://s15.invisionfree.com/UN_DEFCON)! :cool:

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We care more about your nation's security than you do.

Excellent! Perhaps we will soon be celebrating another victory for DEFCON (http://s15.invisionfree.com/UN_DEFCON)! :cool:You are starting to sound like Gatesville dude.:(

You are starting to sound like Gatesville dude.:(

OOC: That's the joke, mate. ;) Though Cluichstan is a member of Gatesville now...

OOC: That's the joke, mate. ;) Though Cluichstan is a member of Gatesville now...

<chuckles>

Congratulations.


Dr. Fabien Armand (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Fabien_Armand),
PDSRA

My thanks to everyone who has helped bring this proposal to the point it has reached, in particular to the members of DEFCON for allowing me to take the lead in drafting this group effort, and Karmi for all the help with the TG'ing, and, of course, all the delegates who have approved it.

I gave my word I would support this resolution and I fully intend to keep my word.

It is well thought out and well crafted. I have been quietly lobbying my delegate to support this, I sincerely doubt it will have much trouble passing muster.

Thomas B. Lynniston, KCB
Ambassador to the UN
Commonwealth of Schwarzchild

You know, this is about to come up for vote. Bring Us More Pie!

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

I dun lost my deligate status cause the only nation that endorced me died from inactivity....*cry*

Normally, Cluichstani loathes disarmament proposals, but biological agents are too indiscriminate and easily spread beyond their intended targets. By gum, we've got some crazy weapons, but even we're not crackers enough to use bio agents.

Cluichstan supports this well-written and important piece of legislation.

Cordially,
Sheik Nottap bin Cluich
Cluichstani Defense Minister
Chairman, UN DEFCON (http://s15.invisionfree.com/UN_DEFCON)

You know, this is about to come up for vote. Bring Us More Pie!

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

There's someone working on that one (http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal1/match=pie) for ya.

There's someone working on that one (http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal1/match=pie) for ya.

How very...thoughtful. You know, Nadnerb tried to warn me that you UN lot are a bunch of loons. I think he understated it.

Cordially,
Sheik Nottap bin Cluich
Cluichstani Defense Minister
Chairman, UN DEFCON

How very...thoughtful. You know, Nadnerb tried to warn me that you UN lot are a bunch of loons. I think he understated it.

Cordially,
Sheik Nottap bin Cluich
Cluichstani Defense Minister
Chairman, UN DEFCON

He probably did. Thankfully, we aren't so loony that we wish to dump anthrax half the planet. That, I know you can agree with. ;)

He probably did. Thankfully, we aren't so loony that we wish to dump anthrax half the planet. That, I know you can agree with. ;)

Of course, which is why the Cluichstani government sent me here to handle the debate, while Nadnerb's off putting together some crazy stunt of his in the Stranger's Bar.

Cordially,
Sheik Nottap bin Cluich
Cluichstani Defense Minister
Chairman, UN DEFCON (http://z15.invisionfree.com/UN_DEFCON)

The Soviet Socialist Republic of Citenka gives its full support to this important resolution. Together we can make NS world(s) much safer.

Ivan Cabaladze
Ambassador

We of the Palentine wish to offer our congradulatuions to Kivisto and all the others responcible for drafting this resolution and getting it here for us to vote on. The Palentine, of course, shall be glad to offer its full support behind this worthwhile resolution.
Excelsior,
Sen. Horatio Sulla
"New Improved Barbaric Militant Machismo 24/7"

We of the Palentine wish to offer our congradulatuions to Kivisto and all the others responcible for drafting this resolution and getting it here for us to vote on. The Palentine, of course, shall be glad to offer its full support behind this worthwhile resolution.
Excelsior,
Sen. Horatio Sulla
"New Improved Barbaric Militant Machismo 24/7"

We trust you won't be selling your vote on this one, Senator Sulla?

Cordially,
Sheik Nottap bin Cluich
Cluichstani Defense Minister
Chairman, UN DEFCON

As stated elsewhere we are firmly in favour of this critical piece of legislation. Biological weapons are simply unforgivable and indiscriminate in all circumstances.

We echo others in congratulating the author(s) on a finally crafted effort which guarantees the safety of all UN member nations.

Anravelle Kramer,
UN Ambassador,
Ice Queendom of Ithania.

"New Improved Barbaric Militant Machismo 24/7"

OOC: Please tell me I'm not the only one who read that as Masochist?

We trust you won't be selling your vote on this one, Senator Sulla?

Cordially,
Sheik Nottap bin Cluich
Cluichstani Defense Minister
Chairman, UN DEFCON

Not on this one...unless you've got a good offer.:D
Excelsior,
Sen Horatio Sulla

The People's Democratic Republic of Yelda casts an enthusiastic vote FOR UN Bio Agent Convention. Those of you who were around to witness the events of July 2005 will note the irony of this.

Aüþgæþ Spøtyiú
Ambassador

Hæila Wythåefþ
Ambassador Emeritus

OOC: Please tell me I'm not the only one who read that as Masochist?

OOC: You are. :p

The Dutch Democratic Republic of Knootoss presents....


The United Nations Aram Koopmans Good Ol' Bio-friendly Pawn Shoppe

Does your nation maintain a functioning stockpile of biological weapons?
Are you loathe to see the investments of your taxpayers money be destroyed by unscrupulous UN agents?
Are you feeling the pressure of this resolution breathing down your neck?


MONEY BACK NOW
Get value-for-money. Save what you can!
TIME IS TICKING!

The United Nations Aram Koopmans Good Ol' Bio-friendly Pawn Shoppe offers to buy up your stockpiles of biological weaponry at a competitive market price, right before it becomes illegal for you to sell them!

If you do not act right now, you will be forced to destroy your stockpiles, at your own cost. Get some value for money, and visit our online pawnbroker at www.cheapbioweaponsdump.kn

*The United Nations Aram Koopmans Good Ol' Bio-friendly Pawn Shoppe has no obligation to buy any stock, weapon, product or weapons system. Offered prices are merely indicative and subject to price at any point. The term "competitive market price" does not entail prices as they were previous to the resolution reaching quorum, but refers to whatever the heck we offer for them. Its not as if you got a choice, right? The cost of transporting and dismantling weapons later in their life cycle (as we asses them) will be subtracted from the offers made. Aram Koopman or The United Nations Aram Koopmans Good Ol' Bio-friendly Pawn Shoppe cannot be held responsible for any future use of products delivered to the pawn shoppe. Payments may be wired to the The United Nations Aram Koopmans Good Ol' Bio-friendly Pawn Shoppe offshore account in Bigtopia, number provided after contracts are sealed.

Ausserland has cast its vote FOR this resolution. We respectfully urge our honorable colleagues to do likewise.

There is absolutely no need whatever for any nation to have biological weapons in order to defend itself or, for that matter, act as an aggressor against its neighbors. Anyone who believes that these weapons are necessary either for defense or offense is simply clueless about military science and the art of war.

Conversely, the mere existence of biological weapons poses severe and completely unacceptable threats to the people of all nations. They have no place in modern warfare and no place in the nations represented in this Assembly.

By order of His Royal Highness, the Prince of Ausserland:

Balthasar H. von Aschenbach
Prime Minister

I am delighted to announce that I have been authorised to add my nation's approval to this fine piece of legislation.

Benedictions,

The nation of Aduross formally announces its position of FOR this proposal. Aduross finds that Bio-Weapons, as defined in the proposal to be an imprecise and impractical method of warfare and far too likely to cause collateral damage to civilians, allies, surrounding countries and one's own forces.

To summarize, Bio-Weapons are "totally lame" and provide little to no military advantage. Aduross encourages fellow member nations to follow suit and vote FOR this proposal.

~
Nils Kiravot Nitsere Werit Nevilk Kliventire Werestin Tovarikslin
Ambassador of the Nation of Aduross

The Commonwealth of Schwarzchild gives it's unqualified support for this excellent resolution, as per our promise.

Lynniston
Ambassador to the UN
Schwarzchild

I have an issue with paragraph 2 but it's too late to do anything about it. Anyone fancy getting a repeal underway so we can do it again? :cool:

We believe we may regret asking this obvious question, much like Tallan in our mythology unleashing chaos, but “why?”. The representative gave no explanation relating to his issues with the clause in question and until such a time we cannot address any concerns.

Anravelle Kramer.

I do apologise, however,

2-DEFINES Biological Weapon to be a weapon system or component thereof that is specifically designed for the purpose of delivery or dispersal of a biological agent or agents;

What is not covered are weapon systems or components that are adapted or intended for the purpose.....etc. We therefore have a loophole whereby weapons can be specifically designed for the delivery of say nuclear warheads but then modified for use with bio weapons. I could quite happily stockpile weapon systems intending to use biological means and nothing in this resolution could stop me

Yeah, but the agents themselves are banned so there wouldn't be much point. Oh, and FOR.

Roderick Spear
Paradican UN Ambassador

Paragraph 7 allows you to keep agents for research, doesn't take a lot to put the two together, the proposal doesn't go far enough to stop anyone using bio weapons

Good. Now read paragraph 6.

Sounding a lot like and being are two different things entirely

6-REQUIRES that all such agents currently possessed by member nations for weapon use, whether stockpiled or currently in weapons, be diverted to peaceful purposes, or destroyed, through sterilization or other forms of neutralization, with all reasonable haste, and using the safest possible procedures;

7-PERMITS member nations to research, individually or collectively, such biological agents for peaceful purposes, including, but not limited to, the creation of vaccinations and treatments, the production and testing of decontamination measures, the production of medical countermeasure materials, or other strictly peaceful purposes, provided that appropriate and effective measures are taken with regard to safety and security;


As I said a nation can keep agents for peaceful purposes, but it doesn't take too much to use it as a weapon afterwards. I agree with the spirit of the proposal but the loophole is there no matter how hard you try and say it isn't

Frankly, if a nation is going to cheat on the agreement, then they are going to cheat on the agreement.

Legislation cannot account for every little thing. If laws were written to be ironclad they would be extraordinarily long, clumsy, and damned unwieldy. Something that we wish to avoid considering the attention span of some of our less patient members.

I see no reason to suggest repeal on this resolution even before it has been given birth to by this body, especially for the picayune reasons and weak argument you present.

I will not only support this resolution, I will strenuously oppose any efforts to get it overturned after it's passage (if it passes), as will my Prime Minister.

Regards,

Thomas B. Lynniston; KCB, KCMG
Ambassador to the UN
Commonwealth of Schwarzchild

I will not only support this resolution, I will strenuously oppose any efforts to get it overturned after it's passage (if it passes), as will my Prime Minister.
You aren't the only one.

Roderick Spear
Paradican UN Ambassador

The small, but humble United States of Mcdouglasland is fully against this piece of legislation that will surely put a damper on military development.

Thank you,

President Greg Douglas
United States of Mcdouglasland

We’re afraid we humbly disagree; given the volatility of biological weapons and the likelihood of harming friendly personnel due to their indiscriminate nature we think this will increase military development by preventing less aware nations from pursuing a path that will yield problematic strategic weapons and ineffectual “tactical” devices.

If your military pursues this path it will not be “developing” anything but rather wasting millions of your currency with no useful product at the end beyond death, destruction, and despair on unforgivable levels.

With respect; we believe your “development” would be better directed at other weapons types if you wish to own WMDs, nuclear weapons for instance.

Anravelle Kramer.

6-REQUIRES that all such agents currently possessed by member nations for weapon use, whether stockpiled or currently in weapons, be diverted to peaceful purposes, or destroyed, through sterilization or other forms of neutralization, with all reasonable haste, and using the safest possible procedures;

7-PERMITS member nations to research, individually or collectively, such biological agents for peaceful purposes, including, but not limited to, the creation of vaccinations and treatments, the production and testing of decontamination measures, the production of medical countermeasure materials, or other strictly peaceful purposes, provided that appropriate and effective measures are taken with regard to safety and security;


As I said a nation can keep agents for peaceful purposes, but it doesn't take too much to use it as a weapon afterwards. I agree with the spirit of the proposal but the loophole is there no matter how hard you try and say it isn't

A history lesson for you:

UNR #113 - the previous Bio-weapons ban - was turned into a complete mess that needed to be replaced as soon as it was implemented (though no one bothered to until now). Why? Because someone like you (well.....not like you, probably smarter and much, much more brutal) came on and badgered Reformentia (and myself simply because I kept getting in the way) about loopholes she could find. In the end, she got Reformentia's proposal so twisted up and difficult that when one stepped back and looked at it, they realized that there were an aweful lot of problems that really did need to be remedied.

I am THANKFUL that Kiv did not fall into that trap.

If you want to go ahead and pretend to be using your biological research for peaceful purposes, I really can't stop you. However, I do note that there is an extreme (and I mean EXTREME) difference between weaponized biological agents and non-weaponized biological agents. Quite frankly, if your government is going to lie through your teeth about the purpose of your research, there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY we can possibly build a resolution so air-tight that it would be able to stop you.

As such, please drop it. There may be some problems that you can find here. There may very well be a gaping flaw. However, crying over something that really couldn't be fixed within reason is just going to annoy people rather than show them that there are serious flaws in this resolution

As for delivery systems.....we allow nukes, so if a nation has a nuclear rocket, it probably doesn't take much to stick a bunch of bacteria into a ball the size of a normal warhead and attach it to the Electronics of the system. If we were to disallow delivery systems, this proposal would either have the effect of banning most delivery systems (highly unreasonable) or creating an equally large loophole to walk right through.

This proposal is well written and thought out, but one major issue has been ignored. There needs to be some kind group that monitors nations weapons programs. If you put this proposal into effect what will stop nations from trying to develop these weapons in secret. For action to be taken you need to know a nation is developing these weapons. There is no group/organization to monitor nations biological research programs to watch for weaponization programs.

If you put this proposal into effect what will stop nations from trying to develop these weapons in secret.Mandatory compliance, mostly.

And, besides, what's to keep nations from barring inspectors, lying to inspectors, hiding things from inspectors...

The small, but humble United States of Mcdouglasland is fully against this piece of legislation that will surely put a damper on military development.

Thank you,

President Greg Douglas
United States of Mcdouglasland

You are certainly welcome to oppose the restriction of Chem-Bio Weapons development, but most civilised nations agree that Chemical and Biological agents are unacceptable in a civilised world.

I would also modestly suggest your argument is disingenuous to the extreme. Military weapons development will do just fine without Chem-bio, after all there are quite a number of burgeoning banana republics, military states, paramilitary states, and just plain disagreeable nations that will want to purchase modern conventional weapons and use them on their neighbours. The fact that we will be restricting biological agents from weaponised development gives me confidence that burgeoning nations like McDouglasland won't build up stockpiles of their own, to undoubtedly be used irresponsibly on their poor, unsuspecting neighbours.

In other words, sir. Tough. The use of chemical and biological agents in warfare is even more hideous than using bombs and bullets. Perhaps you might go out to your local battlefield and see the carnage wrought upon your fine young patriots by those systems, and then think about how hideously they would suffer at the hands of something as simple as mustard gas or as complex as botulinus toxin strain among other complex and unnameable agents blithely developed by our nations. The sad fact is most of these agents are designed to go after population masses...read here, civilians.

Wars are painfully necessary, and by nature war is not a civilised business. But we can agree not to use Nuclear, Chemical or Biologicals. In a world of collateral damage, at least we as nations have more direct control over conventional weaponry to LIMIT such collateral damage.

The Commonwealth of Schwarzchild wishes you well, but we shall not change our position because McDouglasland or any OTHER nation feels put upon because you can't develop your own "cool toys."

With sincerest regards,

Thomas B. Lynniston; KCB, KCMG
Ambassador to the UN
Commonwealth of Schwarzchild

:sniper: I don't want to sound like a hippy or anything but biowarfare is a very VERY VERY bad idea. I can't beleave that people are actually voting for it. Some people either didn't read the prop. or they are dumb asses.:headbang:

Mandatory compliance, mostly.

And, besides, what's to keep nations from barring inspectors, lying to inspectors, hiding things from inspectors...

Mandatory compliance?

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

I don't want to sound like a hippy or anything but biowarfare is a very VERY VERY bad idea. I can't beleave that people are actually voting for it. Some people either didn't read the prop. or they are dumb asses.

We would like to extend a warm welcome to the representative but we simply must ask, you did mean against didn’t you? If you have cast your nations vote Against this believing voting For would support the use of biological weapons then I suggest you reverse it.

Mandatory compliance?

We believe those ever so loveable gnomes will always find a way to enforce the law to the letter, the Compliance Ministry are all seeing and all knowing.

Anravelle Kramer

Wile i do not care for bio weapons i prefer nukes over them any ways. But you cant go round telling other nations what to do with there armed forces. The problem with you guys you do not respect other nations sovereignty that why i voted ageinst this resalution .:sniper:

Wile i do not care for bio weapons i prefer nukes over them any ways. But you cant go round telling other nations what to do with there armed forces. The problem with you guys you do not respect other nations sovereignty that why i voted ageinst this resalution .:sniper:

OOC:*Has a GrammarNazi breakdown and collapses*

We are not trying to control anyone's nation, we are merely trying to protect those who need protection most during a war. Civilians, innocents, our women and children. Biological and chemical weapons, not to mention nuclear weapons, threaten these lives like no other weapons can. It is with these devastating weapons that entire cities will fall, entire populations be destroyed.

We are living in a MAD system. Mutual Assured Destruction. You fire at us, we'll fire at you, and we'll all die. Because of these terrible weapons, this system exists. This is not a safe system to live under, and any steps we take toward changing this system is a step in the right direction. That is why I voted for the resolution. Think of your women and children. If we all have biological weapons, the World could easily turn into a biological wasteland. We must take measures to protect our people.

Wile i do not care for bio weapons i prefer nukes over them any ways. But you cant go round telling other nations what to do with there armed forces. The problem with you guys you do not respect other nations sovereignty that why i voted ageinst this resalution .:sniper:

Hey! NSO members, let's show this guy that the NatSovs are in favor of this resolution.

Bob Flibble
NSO Mafia Don

This proposal is well written and thought out, but one major issue has been ignored. There needs to be some kind group that monitors nations weapons programs. If you put this proposal into effect what will stop nations from trying to develop these weapons in secret. For action to be taken you need to know a nation is developing these weapons. There is no group/organization to monitor nations biological research programs to watch for weaponization programs.

I'm fairly sure that weapons inspectors just might fall under the UN Army ban (which has banned all armies, peace keeping forces, security councils, police units, or any other form of body that could exercise any form of executive authority......which would include weapons inspectors). Certainly, it couldn't have been done while still fitting under the character limit.

Wile i do not care for bio weapons i prefer nukes over them any ways. But you cant go round telling other nations what to do with there armed forces. The problem with you guys you do not respect other nations sovereignty that why i voted ageinst this resalution

I'm not known for my NatSov tendencies.

*Let's the snickers subside*

Alright, I'm known for downright stomping on National Sovereignty, that doesn't make my analysis any less accurate.

Biological weapons are considered the GREATEST and MOST DANGEROUS weapon - not because they are the most deadly, but because they have the capacity to wipe out not only your enemy, but to inadvertantly wipe out your own nation and the entire world. An unexpected evolution of a virus that was launched in a Bio-weapon in P nation could result in the extermination of every one else, no matter how close or how friendly they were to the incident. This is even more important for those who want a smaller world, who want to increase multinationalism and promote free trade policies because all of these things make it so that such mistakes are even more dangerous.

Not nuclear, not chemical, not radiological has such a devestating, wide spreading and evolutionary threat to mankind. As such, both NatSovs and IntFeds are, generally, agreed that bio-weapons are too dangerous for any nation to have and agree that they should not be allowed. This is not about civilians, this is not about strength, this is not about national sovereignty. This is about mutually assured security.

You are still allowed nukes and chemical weapons. If you don't have them, I'm sure if you ask nicely, you could probably find a good seller (and if you ask not so nicely, you may get them anyways, just not in the way you'd prefer them). If you desperately need access to bio-weapons on top of all this, I am GLAD that your National Sovereignty is being impeded because it means that my security from being infect has increased.

I don't want to sound like a hippy or anything but biowarfare is a very VERY VERY bad idea. I can't beleave that people are actually voting for it. Some people either didn't read the prop. or they are dumb asses.

I agree entirely. Some people either didn't read the prop. or they are dumb asses.

(Not all who oppose, just a certain select few.)

Wile i do not care for bio weapons i prefer nukes over them any ways. But you cant go round telling other nations what to do with there armed forces. The problem with you guys you do not respect other nations sovereignty that why i voted ageinst this resalution .:sniper:

Hey there, Clueless Wonder! Thanks for your time, but you might want to know that members of the National Sovereignty Organisation are, thus far, backing this proposal unanimously. Why? Because there are limits to national soveriegnty. You can't just go running about willy-nilly, doing as you please, if it has the potential to wipe out the populations of other nations. Biological agents are just such a threat, which is why those of us who firmly believe in the sovereign rights of nations still support this proposal. We don't want dumbass nations like yours to be able to endanger us all while you hide behind your thoughtless national-sovereignty defense. It's simply not applicable in this case.

Okay, now that I've said that, I'm back to the bar for some more drinking.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

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Damn you, Nadnerb! I'm supposed to be handling this debate! Get your drunken arse out of here!

Cordially,
Sheik Nottap bin Cluich
Cluichstani Defense Minister
Chairman, UN DEFCON

Athanian supports this well written replacement to the previous bill. Our Prime Minister also wishes to extend his appreciation for the relative speed with which this proposal was brought up.

You have our full support for this proposal.

Alexander Kerro,
UN Representative

As a devoted student of the field of biological and chemical agents, I have studied this resolution thoroughly with my staff. After many heated debates, attempted duels to the death, bloodshed, curses, attempted seductions, discovery of actual seductions and the screaming of far too many very angry wives and husbands....I, representing both the Region of Hades and the Grand Duchy of Pahket, fully endorse this resolution.

If we are to have any type of biological warfare, let it be the primitive type brought on by the inability of teenagers to refrain from kissing mono-infected people.

Of course, now I've got to convince the Duchess that there's not much that she can do about that type of biological warfare.

Of course, now I've got to convince the Duchess that there's not much that she can do about that type of biological warfare.

Tell her there's always penicillin.

Cordially,
Sheik Nottap bin Cluich
Cluichstani Defense Minister
Chairman, UN DEFCON

"The Great Commonwealth casts its meager vote in favor of this well-drafted and necessary piece of legislation. Er... Have I said that already?"

There comes a time will United Nations members will be so deprived of advanced weaponry that nations who are not part of the UN will have a significant edge over us. The proposal mentions engaging in diplomatic discussions with those countries to decrease their use of biological weaponry, but that is all it is; decreasing. Besides, what if they refuse to listen to us?

We should not flat-out ban the research and creation of these weapons, but instead, begin creating permits. The United Nations would review a nation requesting permission to use biological weapons. If the UN sees them fit to hold these weapons, then they should give them a permit allowing them to. This permit would expire every month, requiring the process to be repeated.

Every weapon kills. Destroying the weapon isn't the answer, putting them in trustworthy hands is.

Alex K. Nordolf, Official Ambassador of the European Islands, 2007

There comes a time will United Nations members will be so deprived of advanced weaponry that nations who are not part of the UN will have a significant edge over us. The proposal mentions engaging in diplomatic discussions with those countries to decrease their use of biological weaponry, but that is all it is; decreasing. Besides, what if they refuse to listen to us?

We should not flat-out ban the research and creation of these weapons, but instead, begin creating permits. The United Nations would review a nation requesting permission to use biological weapons. If the UN sees them fit to hold these weapons, then they should give them a permit allowing them to. This permit would expire every month, requiring the process to be repeated.

Every weapon kills. Destroying the weapon isn't the answer, putting them in trustworthy hands is.

Alex K. Nordolf, Official Ambassador of the European Islands, 2007

You are still allowed to have nukes. What are you concerned about?

Every weapon kills. Destroying the weapon isn't the answer, putting them in trustworthy hands is.

Alex K. Nordolf, Official Ambassador of the European Islands, 2007

To be perfectly honest Ambassador, I wouldn't trust my own mother with a biological weapon, they are simply too unpredictable.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

There comes a time will United Nations members will be so deprived of advanced weaponry that nations who are not part of the UN will have a significant edge over us. The proposal mentions engaging in diplomatic discussions with those countries to decrease their use of biological weaponry, but that is all it is; decreasing. Besides, what if they refuse to listen to us?

We should not flat-out ban the research and creation of these weapons, but instead, begin creating permits. The United Nations would review a nation requesting permission to use biological weapons. If the UN sees them fit to hold these weapons, then they should give them a permit allowing them to. This permit would expire every month, requiring the process to be repeated.

Every weapon kills. Destroying the weapon isn't the answer, putting them in trustworthy hands is.

Alex K. Nordolf, Official Ambassador of the European Islands, 2007

At this time my government has not yet cast its vote. In general Mikitivity supports UN lead disarmament resolutions, but we actually think there is some merit to the idea proposed by Ambassador Nordolf to have the UN manage the use of biological weapons -- as this idea implies that the UN does have a right to restrict the use of weapons of mass destruction.

Howie T. Katzman

To be perfectly honest Ambassador, I wouldn't trust my own mother with a biological weapon, they are simply too unpredictable.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

But further research would allow us to find out how to better control these weapons. By banning research, we're destroying a world of possibilities. Biological weapons could one day be used to not destroy a nation, but defend it.

You are deluded, Ambassador. We are talking about a weapon with the capacity to evolve, to propogate, and to follow extremely complex and diverse reactions that are practically impossible to track let alone predict. This is not just a propogation issue, this is an evolution issue - creatures, species that can move from targetting one type of thing to being able to target other elements, to change their method of propogation, to change their method of transmission. HOW, Mr Ambassador, do you propose we do that? Explain to me, Mr Ambassador, what level of expertise you have to tell this body that such things can be controlled. Nuclear and Chemical Weapons are extraordinarily simple and predictable in terms of their reactions and effects upon people and the environment in comparison to Biological Weapons, yet somehow we STILL, to this very day, have failed absolutely miserably at accurately determining all possible effects of these weapons upon the populace they were used against.

Mr Ambassador, you are deluded in thinking that anyone can be trusted with biological weapons.

You are deluded, Ambassador. We are talking about a weapon with the capacity to evolve, to propogate, and to follow extremely complex and diverse reactions that are practically impossible to track let alone predict. This is not just a propogation issue, this is an evolution issue - creatures, species that can move from targetting one type of thing to being able to target other elements, to change their method of propogation, to change their method of transmission. HOW, Mr Ambassador, do you propose we do that? Explain to me, Mr Ambassador, what level of expertise you have to tell this body that such things can be controlled. Nuclear and Chemical Weapons are extraordinarily simple and predictable in terms of their reactions and effects upon people and the environment in comparison to Biological Weapons, yet somehow we STILL, to this very day, have failed absolutely miserably at accurately determining all possible effects of these weapons upon the populace they were used against.

Mr Ambassador, you are deluded in thinking that anyone can be trusted with biological weapons.

Some nations have had them for years with little to no incidents involving them. Why would we take the right to bear these weapons away from those nations when they've already proven themselves capable? Granting this permit wouldn't be a simple process, it would involve reviewing the nation's threats, it's security, the figures in power, and the number of chemical-related accidents, and much more.

One slip up with a nuclear weapon does not have the potential to end life on this planet. One mistake, one error, one failure in judgement, factors that are capable of the most compotent men will not result in the end of the world. Admittedly, this is not true if there are 10 slip ups in a row and MAD becomes a reality, but that is a different story. It is also worth noting that Nuclear Bombs have been deployed and used by members of this own assembly and then boasted about as they debated with their fellow ambassadors - often just to prove a point

One slip up with a biological weapon DOES have the potential to end life on this planet. One mistake, one error, one failure in judgement, factors that are capable of the most compotent men has the potential to result in the end of the world. Admittedly, the handful of nations beyond the borders of the UN that have developed Biological Weapons have, thus far, not had such a slip up, and to that we can be thankful. However, that is far from the same thing.

Equally worth noting is that Biological Weapons have been Banned since UNR #16 with the ban covering the HISTORY of the UN with exception to two periods lasting no more than one month - the latter being right now - as the previously standing version of the ban was replaced by a more acceptable version. I would be absolutely astounded if you could guarantee me that there is significant data from member nations that show that they are fully capable of handling biological weapons when all biological weapons were banned until....2 weeks ago. We are taking nothing away from anyone that shouldn't have had it already, and no one was hiding the fact that this replacement was fully expected to be run through the UN. Anyone who spent money on Biological Weapons and would suffer from this ban passing was not paying attention or gambled and lost.

A thought has occured to me, I thought you should hear it.

This resolution does not prevent you from researching ways to learn, predict or control the evolution. UNTIL such a point as you can convince the scientific community and the UN body at large that such a technological feat has been accomplished and that leeway should be permitted for weapons that follow guidelines using this process, all bio-weapons should stay under a blanket ban as they remain unpredictable and as dangerous to an ignorant user as they are to the user's foe. The UN has proven, time and again, that it is capable of changing its mind on subjects especially when there has been an evolution or expansion of thought on specific subjects or entire fields. Legislation is not unchanging and this is not a final topic.

However, such technology does not exist YET and is not going to be developed in the forseeable future. Until such a time as it has been definitively proven to exist and has been used to demonstrate that a "safe" biological weapon can be developed, this body should remain firm in its stance that no biological weapons should exist - LEAST OF ALL in the hands of her own members. We WILL lead the world by setting the example - and with hope, the world will listen, understand and follow.

I believe that would be the best solution for now. My nation will dispose of it's biological weapon stockpile for now, but we will continue to have our scientists research ways to control the infectious diseases these weapons cause. I have full trust in our scientific staff back home that no matter how long it takes, we will find a way to create a safer biological weapon. I will also encourage my allies to research this as well.

I will retract my vote against this proposal and vote for it instead. Thank you for discussing this issue with me.

I believe that would be the best solution for now. My nation will dispose of it's biological weapon stockpile for now, but we will continue to have our scientists research ways to control the infectious diseases these weapons cause. I have full trust in our scientific staff back home that no matter how long it takes, we will find a way to create a safer biological weapon. I will also encourage my allies to research this as well.

I will retract my vote against this proposal and vote for it instead. Thank you for discussing this issue with me.

It's always a pleasure to run across a new representative who has the common sense to consider views which oppose his own and, if properly convinced, change his position.

Welcome to the Assembly!

Balthasar H. von Aschenbach
Prime Minister

Originally Posted by The European Islands
There comes a time will United Nations members will be so deprived of advanced weaponry that nations who are not part of the UN will have a significant edge over us. The proposal mentions engaging in diplomatic discussions with those countries to decrease their use of biological weaponry, but that is all it is; decreasing. Besides, what if they refuse to listen to us?

We should not flat-out ban the research and creation of these weapons, but instead, begin creating permits. The United Nations would review a nation requesting permission to use biological weapons. If the UN sees them fit to hold these weapons, then they should give them a permit allowing them to. This permit would expire every month, requiring the process to be repeated.

Every weapon kills. Destroying the weapon isn't the answer, putting them in trustworthy hands is.

Alex K. Nordolf, Official Ambassador of the European Islands, 2007


At this time my government has not yet cast its vote. In general Mikitivity supports UN lead disarmament resolutions, but we actually think there is some merit to the idea proposed by Ambassador Nordolf to have the UN manage the use of biological weapons -- as this idea implies that the UN does have a right to restrict the use of weapons of mass destruction.

Howie T. Katzman

If we believed for a minute that any nation had any sort of real need for these pernicious weapons to deter aggression, defend itself, or carry out its foreign policy through armed force, we would carefully consider the suggestion of the honorable representative of European Islands. We don't.

There is simply no valid reason for any nation to maintain these exceptionally unreliable and horribly dangerous weapons in its arsenal. So why do we now want to create yet one more NSUN bureaucratic entity to license possession of what should simply be eliminated?

Amadeus T. Tankhurst
Brigadier, AoA
Military Attache

If laws were written to be ironclad they would be extraordinarily long, clumsy, and damned unwieldy. Something that we wish to avoid considering the attention span of some of our less patient members.

I see no reason to suggest repeal on this resolution even before it has been given birth to by this body, especially for the picayune reasons and weak argument you present.

I would have thought in the case of bio weapons, ironclad legislation is exactly what we do need.

The 'picayune reasons' and 'weak argument' allow any nation to
a) keep biological agents
b) methods of delivery for said agents

I would have thought in the case of bio weapons, ironclad legislation is exactly what we do need.

The 'picayune reasons' and 'weak argument' allow any nation to
a) keep biological agents
b) methods of delivery for said agents

Delegate to Gorillapigs, might I politely note that technically, anyone can in fact go against the decisions of the UN, though most often at the expense of trust and respect from many fellow member nations. Should someone deliberately lie through their teeth about compliance and threaten to use Bio-Weapons or in fact use them, I don't believe I'm incorrect in suggesting that several member nations would be inclined to "blow them the f**k up."

All the text in the world won't stop a radical nation from using Bio-Weapons if they are truly determined to. Not only that, but don't forget that non-member nations are still allowed to possess and use Bio-Weapons. At least if we are allowed to study biological agents, we can hopefully lessen the damage should such an event occur.

~
Nils Kiravot Nitsere Werit Nevilk Kliventire Werestin Tovarikslin
Ambassador of the Nation of Aduross

The Armed Republic of Scottdo will remain armed and will not give up such weapons because that could put us in danger we need strong weapons.

New Asiria will vote against this resolution, for national security reasons.

Jacque Monroe
Defence Minister
High Council Of New Asiria

Ardchoille will vote in favour of this resolution, for mental security reasons.

Dicey Reilly
Wrongfully President of Ardchoille.

Retired Werepenguins will simply vote, for personal reasons.

The Dutch Democratic Republic of Knootoss presents....


The United Nations Aram Koopmans Good Ol' Bio-friendly Pawn Shoppe

Does your nation maintain a functioning stockpile of biological weapons?
Are you loathe to see the investments of your taxpayers money be destroyed by unscrupulous UN agents?
Are you feeling the pressure of this resolution breathing down your neck?


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*The United Nations Aram Koopmans Good Ol' Bio-friendly Pawn Shoppe has no obligation to buy any stock, weapon, product or weapons system. Offered prices are merely indicative and subject to price at any point. The term "competitive market price" does not entail prices as they were previous to the resolution reaching quorum, but refers to whatever the heck we offer for them. Its not as if you got a choice, right? The cost of transporting and dismantling weapons later in their life cycle (as we asses them) will be subtracted from the offers made. Aram Koopman or The United Nations Aram Koopmans Good Ol' Bio-friendly Pawn Shoppe cannot be held responsible for any future use of products delivered to the pawn shoppe. Payments may be wired to the The United Nations Aram Koopmans Good Ol' Bio-friendly Pawn Shoppe offshore account in Bigtopia, number provided after contracts are sealed.

Nobody?

*Aram pouts*

Delegate to Gorillapigs, might I politely note that technically, anyone can in fact go against the decisions of the UN, though most often at the expense of trust and respect from many fellow member nations. Should someone deliberately lie through their teeth about compliance and threaten to use Bio-Weapons or in fact use them, I don't believe I'm incorrect in suggesting that several member nations would be inclined to "blow them the f**k up."

The ambassador from Aduross is correct. The good people of the world can rest assured that their most ardent defender, the Sultanate of Cluichstan, will immediately respond to the use, or even the threat of the us, of bio-weapons by wiping the offending nation off the map with our Death Star's mega-turbolaser.

Indeed, perhaps we should make an example of these two:

The Armed Republic of Scottdo will remain armed and will not give up such weapons because that could put us in danger we need strong weapons.

New Asiria will vote against this resolution, for national security reasons.

Cordially,
Sheik Nottap bin Cluich
Cluichstani Defense Minister
Chairman, UN DEFCON (http://s15.invisionfree.com/UN_DEFCON)

Nobody?

*Aram pouts*

Er...Mr. Koopman...the link in your little advert there led me to a website devoted to naked pictures of Jack Riley (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Jack_Riley), the Kennyite ambassador to The Eternal Kawaii. I trust this is some sort of error...

Cordially,
Sheik Nottap bin Cluich
Cluichstani Defense Minister
Chairman, UN DEFCON (http://s15.invisionfree.com/UN_DEFCON)

I believe that would be the best solution for now. My nation will dispose of it's biological weapon stockpile for now, but we will continue to have our scientists research ways to control the infectious diseases these weapons cause. I have full trust in our scientific staff back home that no matter how long it takes, we will find a way to create a safer biological weapon. I will also encourage my allies to research this as well.

I will retract my vote against this proposal and vote for it instead. Thank you for discussing this issue with me.

In light of the comments raised by the European Islands, Forgottenlands, and Ausserland, Mikitivity will be casting its vote in favour of the resolution. The ambassadors from each of these nations have addressed any concerns we may have had.

I do have one more suggestion that may ease the European Islands, my government will share any data we have on ways to combat and protect against the use of biological weapons with your government. If all UN members shared information on early detection and prevention, perhaps together we can reduce the risk of the mutually assured destruction that the ambassador from the Forgottenlands spoke of. There may be room for a future proposal dealing with this aspect.

Howie T. Katzman

(OOC: I agree with Ausserland, this was an excellent exchange of views and refreshing to read.)

In light of the comments raised by the European Islands, Forgottenlands, and Ausserland, Mikitivity will be casting its vote in favour of the resolution. The ambassadors from each of these nations have addressed any concerns we may have had.

I do have one more suggestion that may ease the European Islands, my government will share any data we have on ways to combat and protect against the use of biological weapons with your government. If all UN members shared information on early detection and prevention, perhaps together we can reduce the risk of the mutually assured destruction that the ambassador from the Forgottenlands spoke of. There may be room for a future proposal dealing with this aspect.

Howie T. Katzman

(OOC: I agree with Ausserland, this was an excellent exchange of views and refreshing to read.)

We gladly accept your offer to research this matter with us. Like you, I believe that in the future, we will find a way to control, predict, and track these things.

On another note; I don't think selling your weapons to the Bio-friendly pawne shoppe is a good idea. It sounds a little shady to me, and nobody would buy a stockpile of Biological weapons just to, "Take them off your hands".

Alex K. Nordolf, Official Ambassador for the European Islands, 2007

We gladly accept your offer to research this matter with us. Like you, I believe that in the future, we will find a way to control, predict, and track these things.

On another note; I don't think selling your weapons to the Bio-friendly pawne shoppe is a good idea. It sounds a little shady to me, and nobody would buy a stockpile of Biological weapons just to, "Take them off your hands".

Alex K. Nordolf, Official Ambassador for the European Islands, 2007

Again, we completely agree. :)

Actually, if it is not already verbotten by this resolution, we could consider making another proposal to prohibit the reselling of bioweapons, and instead call upon the safe destruction of existing stockpiles. The argument lead by proponents to this present resolution suggest that the risk is in the very existence of the weapons, hence the creation of a secondary market is counter to the deplorable ideas being spread around.

Howie T. Katzman

Again, we completely agree. :)

Actually, if it is not already verbotten by this resolution, we could consider making another proposal to prohibit the reselling of bioweapons, and instead call upon the safe destruction of existing stockpiles. The argument lead by proponents to this present resolution suggest that the risk is in the very existence of the weapons, hence the creation of a secondary market is counter to the deplorable ideas being spread around.

Howie T. Katzman

If such a proposal was put down on the table, we would support, endorse, and vote for it. A shop doesn't buy a crate of new shoes just so the factory won't have to hold that extra weight, they buy it to sell it in their shops. This fatal loophole in the proposal would allow rogue nations to get their hands on biological weapons. Of course, the proposal does call for safe disposal of the weapons, but since selling them is a "safe" way of disposing them, there is really nothing they can do. Although the weapons would be placed in possible danger after they're sold, it would no longer be the nation's responsibility.

Alex K. Nordolf, Official Ambassador for the European Islands, 2007

As the representative of Forgottenlands has already pointed out, it's inconveivable that any nation will have developed workable biological weapons during the two-week window that will have existed between the lifting of the previous ban and the passage of this replacement. Hence, there exists no practical loophole here (OOC: unless you're a complete wanker).

Cordially,
Sheik Nottap bin Cluich
Cluichstani Defense Minister
Chairman, UN DEFCON (http://z15.invisionfree.com/UN_DEFCON)

As the representative of Forgottenlands has already pointed out, it's inconveivable that any nation will have developed workable biological weapons during the two-week window that will have existed between the lifting of the previous ban and the passage of this replacement. Hence, there exists no practical loophole here (OOC: unless you're a complete wanker).

Cordially,
Sheik Nottap bin Cluich
Cluichstani Defense Minister
Chairman, UN DEFCON (http://z15.invisionfree.com/UN_DEFCON)

Ah, good point. I hadn't taken that into consideration. So there is no reason for the proposal we had suggested, then.

Alex K. Nordolf, Official Ambassador for the European Islands, 2007

Ah, good point. I hadn't taken that into consideration. So there is no reason for the proposal we had suggested, then.

Alex K. Nordolf, Official Ambassador for the European Islands, 2007
OOC: As long as our IGNORE Cannons remain operational, no. :)

OOC: As long as our IGNORE Cannons remain operational, no. :)

OOC: I don't get it.

The ambassador from Aduross is correct. The good people of the world can rest assured that their most ardent defender, the Sultanate of Cluichstan, will immediately respond to the use, or even the threat of the us, of bio-weapons by wiping the offending nation off the map with our Death Star's mega-turbolaser.

Indeed, perhaps we should make an example of these two:





Cordially,
Sheik Nottap bin Cluich
Cluichstani Defense Minister
Chairman, UN DEFCON (http://s15.invisionfree.com/UN_DEFCON)


OOPS!!

UN Death Star Convention
Category: Global Disarmament
Strength: Significant
Authored by: ??????

The United Nations

COGNIZANT of the extraneous hazards and risks inherent in the use of DeathStar weaponry;

RECOGNIZING the unpredictable and indiscriminate nature of such users and the inherent risks that they pose to combatants and non-combatants alike;

REALIZES that the proliferation of Death Stars will lead to an increasing threat to international peace and security;

DECIDES that banning the use of Death Stars will be more effective at protecting national and international peace than allowing them will;

Therefore

etc etc etc

;)

Hey! NSO members, let's show this guy that the NatSovs are in favor of this resolution.

Bob Flibble
NSO Mafia Don

Deal Me in Don Flib. This NatSover is fully supporting this legislation.
Excelsior,
Sen. Horatio Sulla

OOPS!!

UN Death Star Convention
Category: Global Disarmament
Strength: Significant
Authored by: ??????

The United Nations

COGNIZANT of the extraneous hazards and risks inherent in the use of DeathStar weaponry;

RECOGNIZING the unpredictable and indiscriminate nature of such users and the inherent risks that they pose to combatants and non-combatants alike;

REALIZES that the proliferation of Death Stars will lead to an increasing threat to international peace and security;

DECIDES that banning the use of Death Stars will be more effective at protecting national and international peace than allowing them will;

Therefore

etc etc etc

;)

Alright, so he lets his death star go, grabs his nukes, and drops a few of those instead. UNR #109 ensures that he can possess them and use them in whatever fashion he pleases.

Alright, so he lets his death star go, grabs his nukes, and drops a few of those instead. UNR #109 ensures that he can possess them and use them in whatever fashion he pleases.

Do I sense a tone of bitterness in your voice about UNR #109, ambassador? I'm not implying that you are being bitter, it's just that every time nuclear weapons were brought up, you seemed to have that tone of hostility. Maybe it's just me.

Alex K. Nordolf, Official Ambassador for the European Islands, 2007

OOC: I don't get it.

OOC: There's an ignore function on the forums one can use to block out posts from complete jackasses. If someone were to insist on posting that, in just the past two weeks, his nation managed to develop a biological weapon, we can simply put his fucktard arse on ignore (i.e., "fire the IGNORE cannons") and not be bothered with his asshattery.

Now, back IC:

Alright, so he lets his death star go, grabs his nukes, and drops a few of those instead. UNR #109 ensures that he can possess them and use them in whatever fashion he pleases.

We'll never let our Death Star go. We'd leave the UN first. However, the representative from Forgottenlands is correct. Even if we were to give up the Death Srat, we'd still be able to nuke any enemy into oblivion.

Now, which would the representative of Gorillapigs prefer: a precision strike with the Death Star's mega-turbolaser or a massive nuclear strike with all of the attending fall-out?

Cordially,
Sheik Nottap bin Cluich
Cluichstani Defense Minister
Chairman, UN DEFCON (http://s15.invisionfree.com/UN_DEFCON)

My dear friend Cluich. You seem to have forgotten the marmots, they are on standby

We'll never let our Death Star go.

We are glad to see that Cluichstan will never give up its Deathstar; it would simply be a travesty if our representative Ms. Asura never had the opportunity to acquire the recipe for the renowned penne served in the canteen not to mention she’d be likely to Taser people.

Anravelle Kramer.

OOC and completely unrelated minor threadjack: I do believe that "asshat" is one of the funniest concepts ever.

IC: A random wolf walked in, calling out, "Are you under attack by atomic weaponry? Even if you're completely flattened, don't let radiation stop YOU from rebuilding. Call the Commonwealth Cleanup Crew! We'll fix anything from carpet stains to fallout from nuclear and biological warfare! Be the first on your block to build your house back up again! For a nominal..." Wolfgang stood and shot the fellow. Another wolf appeared and carried the bugger off, saying, "You are under arrest for publicizing a Commonwealth company in the course of a BBC saga..."

We are glad to see that Cluichstan will never give up its Deathstar; it would simply be a travesty if our representative Ms. Asura never had the opportunity to acquire the recipe for the renowned penne served in the canteen not to mention she’d be likely to Taser people.


Ah, yes, the Death Star Canteen's penne arrabiata is quite tasty, even if the chef does stuff peas in the pasta tubes...

Cordially,
Sheik Nottap bin Cluich
Cluichstani Defense Minister
Chairman, UN DEFCON (http://s15.invisionfree.com/UN_DEFCON)

Do I sense a tone of bitterness in your voice about UNR #109, ambassador? I'm not implying that you are being bitter, it's just that every time nuclear weapons were brought up, you seemed to have that tone of hostility. Maybe it's just me.

Alex K. Nordolf, Official Ambassador for the European Islands, 2007

UNR #109 is a resolution of necessity, but that doesn't mean I like the sentiment, the method or the fact that it is a necessity

That is not really relevant to the discussion at hand, so I shall say no more

I am glad that HotRodia is not in the United Nations anymore. While our non-existent government does not have biological weapons, some of our private citizens do. We uphold their right to kill indiscriminately and without prejudice (because killing someone because they are different from you is such a petty act as compared to doing it for grand goals like money or revenge or political power).

HotRodian UN Representative
Accelerus Dioce

Er...Mr. Koopman...the link in your little advert there led me to a website devoted to naked pictures of Jack Riley (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Jack_Riley), the Kennyite ambassador to The Eternal Kawaii. I trust this is some sort of error...Actually, Riley's been promoted to an undersecretary position in the State Department. Good thing those photos came out after the vetting process, huh? ;)

Actually, Riley's been promoted to an undersecretary position in the State Department. Good thing those photos came out after the vetting process, huh? ;)

A hulking man in a dark, pin-striped suit steps forward from the shadows, his greasy hair slicked back on his head. "Riley still owes us money. Let him know we'll be talkin' wid him soon."

He cracks his knuckles and heads out of the chamber.

(OOC: An update on his wiki page may be in order then, amigo. ;) )

Hey! NSO members, let's show this guy that the NatSovs are in favor of this resolution.

Bob Flibble
NSO Mafia Don

Add yet another NatSov to that list.

Karmicaria is in full support of this resolution.

Tana Petrov
UN Representative
Harem of Karmicaria

A hulking man in a dark, pin-striped suit steps forward from the shadows, his greasy hair slicked back on his head. "Riley still owes us money. Let him know we'll be talkin' wid him soon."

He cracks his knuckles and heads out of the chamber.Screw that! Fuckin' deadbeat still owes me $150! Say hi to him for me, will ya? ~Faisano

(OOC: An update on his wiki page may be in order then, amigo. ;) )[Give it time. Kennywiki's undergoing a major upgrade at the mo. :cool:]

Hey! NSO members, let's show this guy that the NatSovs are in favor of this resolution.

Bob Flibble
NSO Mafia Don

I submitted it. I voted for it too. I think that counts as being in support.

[The Scene: Frowning Street Cabinet Room. President Fernanda (aka The Destructor) pulls off his reading glasses (which, as previously discussed, don't actually do anything; he only wears them to look smart) and scowls at the documents he's been holding.]

"So lemme see if I got this straight," he says, glancing at Sec. Tehrani. "You're saying that this is a resolution to ban biological warfare, and unlike most weapons bans coming out of the United Nations, it's actually, erm, good."

He turns to Sec. Valentine. "And you're saying we got a bunch of mutant vampire bats we've never deployed, infected with rabies?"

"And herpes!" Valentine replies.

The Destructor turns back to Tehrani. "And you're saying the little critters will be illegal under this proposal, if it passes."

"Well, actually, Mr. President, the bats won't be illegal, per se, but the agents we injected into them will, so we have to divest ourselves ..."

He turns back to Valentine. "But you're sayin' we got no use for them anyway."

"Yes, sir; it has been difficult finding an actual application for them ..."

The Destructor turns to the acting treasury secretary. "And you're saying the government's nearly broke?"

"Well, we have a tax rate of 0%, yet our budget's currently $22.6 trillion, which means we have a current budget deficit of $22.6 trillion ..."

The president turns back to Tehrani. "And you're saying this proposal will be beneficial to global peace and security?"

He turns to Sammy. "And you're saying we're voting for it ..."

He turns to some cute little blonde intern, who was attending the cabinet meeting for some reason. "And you're sayin' you want it right here, right now, in every which way, on this cabinet table!"

In unison the other occupants of the table grunt in disgust and back away from it.

Fernanda ignores them, turning back to Valentine. "And you're saying it's gonna be awful hard trying to decommission the bats, since it's impossible to catch them without being infected with herpes."

"That's right, sir," Valentine says, "the only surefire way to get 'em all would be to gas them."

The Destructor turns to Tehrani. "But you're sayin' that would be illegal under UNCoESB, since the bats are endangered?"

Angrily he turns back to Sammy. "And you're still sayin' we're voting for this?"

He turns back to the cutie. "And you're sayin' you don't turn 18 till next month, but you're willing to lie to the authorities."

The hot thing giggles, twirling her hair. "Hehehe! You're so funny, Mr. Destructor."

The Destructor turns to the attorney general. "But you're saying you'll still file federal statutory rape charges?"

Then to Debbie. "And you're sayin' this conversation's being recorded, meaning I can't possibly put up a good defense?"

Tehrani leans in to the president. "What the hell are you talking about, sir?"

"Uhh ... nothin'. ... But it really doesn't look like we got any good options here." He picks up a phone. "Yo, Chuck! Gas up my plane!"

"So what have you decided, Mr. President?" Tehrani asks expectantly.

"I've decided that Tiki Taki sounds nice this kind of year. You fuckwits can do whatever the hell you want." He rises and heads toward the door.

"But sir, what about the bats?"

"I don't know. Just give 'em to that 'clock-is-ticking' dude. I'm outta here." And with that, the Destructor leaves.

"Hey, Alex! Call Empress Jhessan and tell her to meet me there!" he barks over his shoulder.

[OOC: And another NatSov vote in favor, Don.]

NatSov Libertarian votes AYE.

Flash stands up to speak, “Ladies and gentlemen of this august body, the people of Retired WerePenguins …”

Suddenly, and without warning, the Nutcracker Suite is heard from Flash’s breast pocket.

“Oh why do I get calls when I’m about to soliloquy? If you will excuse me a moment...”

“Flash Blonde here. Why hello Faithful Navigator, it’s nice of you to call me. Well I’m currently about to debate a very important resolution. Oh you are calling about the resolution? Well it’s good that you keep up to date on these things. You want to know my official vote on the matter? Well it is a complex matter you see. No it’s not because I personally lost out to the representatives from the nation sponsoring the resolution when we were in the Antarctic Oasis … oh it might be … I just don’t know. Oh you spoke to the president of Tzorsland. Oh you didn’t speak he just left a calling card. I realize that he is a member of UNDEFCON which has sponsored this resolution. Oh that was the calling card? Well give my condolences to the family of your former aide then. Yes I will.”

Returning to the floor he tears up his pre-written speech. “Ladies and gentlemen, the nifty land of Retired WerePenguins votes for this fine resolution and encourages every one else to do likewise.”

Leaving the floor he turns to Red Hot. “So what’s the proper protocol for a Barbie Doll funeral?”

Speak softly and carry a tissue compression eliminator. The Master of Tzorsland.

A definate yes!

Biological weapons do more harm than good. Come to think of it They don't do any good. They are bad for people, and can be bad for the environment. (living environment)
And lets say you use a Biological weapon that starts an infectuous disease, well how happy will you be when that infectuous disease spreads into your nation? This is a no-brainer, vote yes!

Anybody else here sense a strong deja vu when reading over this proposal....?

Anybody else here sense a strong deja vu when reading over this proposal....?

Not really, why?

I pledge my nation's support.
It is the belief of the people of my nation that biological weapons have no purpose in this world and that this technology should not be used to destroy but rather to allow life to thrive through modern medicine.

omg...:headbang: What IS the problem. First, u vote to ban the BWs, Then, you un-ban them. Now, you are trying to ban them again. I dont think half of u are even reading the proposal... ur against BWs, ur for BWs, JUST PICK ONE AND STAY WITH IT!!! It's stupid, 'I want them banned...' 'Oh, i changed my mind... Now, i want them unbanned'. So ridiculous.

"Warning: Twit detected! For safety reasons, please don your ear protection immediately!"

Anyway... No one... er... Most of us were never FOR bioweapons. However, the legislation was flawed and didn't do squat. If YOU had read the repeal, you'd realize that. The intent was to remove the flawed one and replace it. And no, you cannot amend things. That is NOT POSSIBLE.

Oh, and, finally...
[OOC:GrammarNazi]

YOU. Not "u."

IT'S PRECISELY TWO CHARACTERS LONGER FOR YOU TO TYPE THE WORD "YOU" THAN TO TYPE THE LETTER "U"! IT'S RIDICULOUSLY LAZY AND STUPID, AND MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT WHO'S NOT WILLING TO SPEND TWO MINUTES ON THE GAME. IF YOU CAN'T DEVOTE A MINIMUM OF TIME AND EFFORT, DON'T BOTHER AT ALL!

[/GrammarNazi]

Thanks for playing. Have a nice life.

omg...:headbang: What IS the problem. First, u vote to ban the BWs, Then, you un-ban them. Now, you are trying to ban them again. I dont think half of u are even reading the proposal... ur against BWs, ur for BWs, JUST PICK ONE AND STAY WITH IT!!! It's stupid, 'I want them banned...' 'Oh, i changed my mind... Now, i want them unbanned'. So ridiculous.

Had you taken the time to actually read the text of the repeal, you would have fairly easily noticed that the reason for the "un-ban" was not that we wished to use bioweapons, but that we wished to create more adequate legislation to deal with the matter. The previous resolution bore a few issues which this new piece has rectified. This isn't a matter of changing minds, but of solidifying resolve.

I suggest we don't even bother debating (Or arguing) with the man. He obviously has issues that he is taking out on the United Nations.

Joseph Arnarson, Ambassador and President of the European Islands, 2007

I suggest we don't even bother debating (Or arguing) with the man. He obviously has issues that he is taking out on the United Nations.

Joseph Arnarson, Ambassador and President of the European Islands, 2007

You are probably very correct, but I really liike the sound of that last line as it came to me. "not changing minds, but solidifying resolve" I just wanted to say it out loud. Partially because I like to hear myself speak, and partially because I haven't said much during this debate. There are so many others who are doing an admirable job of discussing and debating the issues, some much better than I could manage.

On that note, my sincere thanks to all who are showing their continued support of the UN Bio Agent Convention.

omg...:headbang: What IS the problem. First, u vote to ban the BWs, Then, you un-ban them. Now, you are trying to ban them again. I dont think half of u are even reading the proposal... ur against BWs, ur for BWs, JUST PICK ONE AND STAY WITH IT!!! It's stupid, 'I want them banned...' 'Oh, i changed my mind... Now, i want them unbanned'. So ridiculous.

Sheik Nottap touches his index finger to his nose and nods. In a flash, Sheik Nadnerb's assistant, Mr. Tarquin Fin-tim-lim-bim-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'tang-F'tang-Ole-Biscuitbarrel (http://www.montypython.art.pl/obrazki/lcmp19-15.jpg), launches himself across the room and defenestrates the representative of the OCocean Empire.

You are probably very correct, but I really liike the sound of that last line as it came to me. "not changing minds, but solidifying resolve" I just wanted to say it out loud.

OOC: You mean "oat load," right? ;)

However, what's the point of this, shall we say, narrow minded and flawed proposal? Firstly, you will be getting rid of Bio-weapons, a noble intention, but one that will ultimately fail. Because the only way for it to work would be for all nations to accept it, whether or not they belong to the UN. Obviously this is not about to happen. I do not support any such legislation to tie my hands behind my back in a war, and I hope that the rest of the distinguished delegates here feel the same.

However, what's the point of this, shall we say, narrow minded and flawed proposal? Firstly, you will be getting rid of Bio-weapons, a noble intention, but one that will ultimately fail. Because the only way for it to work would be for all nations to accept it, whether or not they belong to the UN. Obviously this is not about to happen. I do not support any such legislation to tie my hands behind my back in a war, and I hope that the rest of the distinguished delegates here feel the same.

Lovely. Another candidate for defenestration. No wonder Sheik Nadnerb drinks so heavily.

Cordially,
Sheik Nottap bin Cluich
Cluichstani Defense Minister
Chairman, UN DEFCON (http://z15.invisionfree.com/UN_DEFCON)

"Oh, please. Let me have this one, Sheik." Wolfgang stood and shot the Phantomismian delegate, who oughtn't to have stood so close to the window. "Was that defenestration up to your standards, oh Master of Shoving Things Out of High Buildings?"

The Guardian pup, Kyle, down on the ground outside the UN, had seen two men fall now. "Must be a board meeting."

However, what's the point of this, shall we say, narrow minded and flawed proposal? Firstly, you will be getting rid of Bio-weapons, a noble intention, but one that will ultimately fail. Because the only way for it to work would be for all nations to accept it, whether or not they belong to the UN. Obviously this is not about to happen. I do not support any such legislation to tie my hands behind my back in a war, and I hope that the rest of the distinguished delegates here feel the same.

Just because some nations would choose to use dishonorable and filthy weapons does not mean that all nations should, nor is it a justification for us to do so. We would hope that the members of the United Nations would aspire to a higher standard.

(The Altanari ambassador gamely ignores the guffaws that break out in the GA after she says that)

We also feel compelled to note that nuclear weapons are still allowed to UN member states, and that nations that have such weapons could cheerfully nuke a rogue state that used bioagents on them back to the stone age. That seems a fair enough deterrent to us.

- Jinella Agaranth, Ambassador

However, what's the point of this, shall we say, narrow minded and flawed proposal? Firstly, you will be getting rid of Bio-weapons, a noble intention, but one that will ultimately fail. Because the only way for it to work would be for all nations to accept it, whether or not they belong to the UN. Obviously this is not about to happen. I do not support any such legislation to tie my hands behind my back in a war, and I hope that the rest of the distinguished delegates here feel the same.

Let's take the representative's two points separately.

The author of the resolution, those who participated in drafting it, and those who are supporting it all know perfectly well that the resolution won't apply to non-member nations. We regret that, but we don't consider it a flaw or something that will make it "ultimately fail". By ensuring the absence of biological weapons and agents from almost 30,000 nations, the resolution will make a substantial contribution to the safety of the citizens of those nations and the entire world of NationStates. Biological weapons and agents don't just pose a danger when they're employed in war. The danger is also posed simply by their existence and their susceptibility to accidental release or acquisition and use by terrorists.

On the second point, we refuse to accept that this resolution would tie anyone's hands in a war. Nations are still able to have all the nuclear, chemical, and conventional weapons they want. Biological weapons are not a necessary deterrent to any sort of attack, are almost totally useless in the defense, are substantially useless tactically, and are unreliable as strategic weapons. Any nation that places any reliance at all on the use of biological weapons badly needs to reassess its military posture.

Amadeus T. Tankhurst
Brigadier, AoA
Military Attache

With a heavy heart, Drogren must oppose this fine resolution. Not because we want to use biological weapons, or seek to make them, but because it forces us to cut military funding regardless of the presence or absence of biological weapons. And we have laws against cutting the military's budget except in the direst of circumstances.

However, since support for this bill is strong, we can lodge our opposition knowing that said biological weapons will be banned, and still follow our own laws. And we get to blame the UN for our latest economic downturn. Best of both worlds, really.

The People's Republic of Kostemetsia fully supports this resolution, and is taking steps to dismantle its stock of biological weapons.

- President James Balwell, successor to Kos Hemitsu

:gundge: :mp5:

Sheik Nottap touches his index finger to his nose and nods. In a flash, Sheik Nadnerb's assistant, Mr. Tarquin Fin-tim-lim-bim-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'tang-F'tang-Ole-Biscuitbarrel (http://www.montypython.art.pl/obrazki/lcmp19-15.jpg), launches himself across the room and defenestrates the representative of the OCocean Empire.


Thanks, good Sheik.

OOC: You mean "oat load," right? ;)

OOC:Noo Doobt Aboot it!

With a heavy heart, Drogren must oppose this fine resolution. Not because we want to use biological weapons, or seek to make them, but because it forces us to cut military funding regardless of the presence or absence of biological weapons. And we have laws against cutting the military's budget except in the direst of circumstances.

However, since support for this bill is strong, we can lodge our opposition knowing that said biological weapons will be banned, and still follow our own laws. And we get to blame the UN for our latest economic downturn. Best of both worlds, really.

OOC: Hooray for stat wanking! :rolleyes:

I supose I should weigh in on this one...

Though we have serious reservations concerning this resolution, namely in the research areas which allow loopholes to be exploited, and would prefer that the research of bioweapons and defenses against them be assigned to a multi-national commission, it is the feeling of the citizens of SeaBear70 that the need to protect against the threat of bioweapons and the worldwide plagues they would unleash are important enough that banning them is a critical first step in ensuring the safety of all our citizens and in securing a future for all creatures in the multiverse.

OOC: Hooray for stat wanking! :rolleyes:

Is there a UN card for that? :/

Is there a UN card for that? :/

Of course there is. ;)

http://test256.free.fr/UN%20Cards/wan4bj.jpg

Of course there is. ;)

http://test256.free.fr/UN%20Cards/wan4bj.jpgLots of them :)

*The delegate of Phantomism picks himself up after narrowly dodging the bullet.*
Lovely. We try to ban bio-weapons, and yet we go around shooting other delegates.
By the way...
:sniper: @ Wolf Guardians
There.

I still find banning Bio-weapons to be to extreme. Regulate, yes, but ban, no.
Also, there are reasons to use precesion bio-weapons. What about non-contagious biological agents? Those have their place in warfare as well. It is important to keep our options open, and not go about ordering countries to end programs that they may very well have put great ammounts of resources into.

Wolfgang chuckles. "No harm meant." He lifted his gun. "Simulated Destruction gun, new delegate. I've killed myself 11 times. On the other hand, I was trying to knock you out the window. It doesn't change the fact that no-one needs bio-weapons. No one. Besides, we have nukes, which are much, much better. I'm all for banning bio-weapons in the largest capacity that we can do so. In this case, the UN. Plus, while there are some nations that operate against the will of the UN, be it intentionally to spite us or just because they have... alternative goals, the UN should set a good example for the rest of them."

I still find banning Bio-weapons to be to extreme. Regulate, yes, but ban, no.
Also, there are reasons to use precesion bio-weapons. What about non-contagious biological agents? Those have their place in warfare as well. It is important to keep our options open, and not go about ordering countries to end programs that they may very well have put great ammounts of resources into.

There's no such thing as a "precision" bio-weapon. End of story.

Cordially,
Sheik Nottap bin Cluich
Cluichstani Defense Minister
Chairman, UN DEFCON (http://z15.invisionfree.com/UN_DEFCON)

There's no such thing as a "precision" bio-weapon. End of story.

Cordially,
Sheik Nottap bin Cluich
Cluichstani Defense Minister
Chairman, UN DEFCON (http://z15.invisionfree.com/UN_DEFCON)


I beg to differ, a good strong curry, several pints of ale and my backside combine to make a very precise bio weapon

*The delegate of Phantomism picks himself up after narrowly dodging the bullet.*
Lovely. We try to ban bio-weapons, and yet we go around shooting other delegates.
By the way...
:sniper: @ Wolf Guardians
There.

I still find banning Bio-weapons to be to extreme. Regulate, yes, but ban, no.
Also, there are reasons to use precesion bio-weapons. What about non-contagious biological agents? Those have their place in warfare as well. It is important to keep our options open, and not go about ordering countries to end programs that they may very well have put great ammounts of resources into.

1. The extreme solution to a problem is sometimes the only viable solution. That's the case here. Regulate all you want. That still won't guarantee safe and secure maintenance of the material.

2. There is no such thing as a "precesion" bioweapon.

3. No bioweapon has a place in warfare that cannot be better filled by some other type of weaponry.

4. You will have plenty of options still open: nuclear, chemical, conventional, and advanced-technology weapons.

5. To be blunt about it, if a nation has invested great amounts of resources in bioweapons, tough. If the nation is that clueless about military science, its whole military effort is most likely a disaster waiting to happen anyway.

Amadeus T. Tankhurst
Brigadier, AoA
Military Attache

I beg to differ, a good strong curry, several pints of ale and my backside combine to make a very precise bio weapon

Sorry, but that would properly be classed as a chemical weapon. :D

Luigi P. O'Rourke
Special Assistant to the Ambassador

Though very useful in a strong offense, I have always felt that the use of biological weapons was a cruel sort. Let's face it, the majority of biological weapons have been used upon civilians as well as military combatants. My country's council has a unanimous opinion about this very fact. The UN has a history of looking down to cruel and unusual punishment, towards every human being, including those who uphold acts of terror.

It was stated, however that nuclear arms will still be at use whenever they are necessary. I, also being a UN delegate have to look out for my member nations within my region. As such, I must represent their people as well as my own. I oppose the use of biological weaponry because of that very fact. It is recognized within the Bill itself that there is a substantial amount of collateral damage tied with the use of biological weaponry. There is no honor in that.

Sorry, but that would properly be classed as a chemical weapon. :D

Luigi P. O'Rourke
Special Assistant to the Ambassador

I would have to agree and still though, I question the accuracy with something like that...especially if its silent *shifty eyes*

We would like to welcome the representative form Gud Fud to the United Nations. We look forward to hearing your perspective on every issue and do dearly hope you’ll enjoy your stay here in the asylu…errr… assembly. We would encourage you to involve yourself whenever you so desire and offer our delegation’s services should have any questions.

Anravelle Kramer.

Sorry, but that would properly be classed as a chemical weapon. :D

Luigi P. O'Rourke
Special Assistant to the Ambassador


Under normal circumstances I'd agree with you but I've had the stuff analysed and it's alive!!

Thank you for the warm welcome into your hallowed assembly. Trust me, I will have no problem voicing my opinion whenever readily needed.

We have voted FOR this resolution.

It is an excellent piece of work.

Respectfully,
Dr. Jules Hodz
Akimonad UN Ambassador

We would like to welcome the representative form Gud Fud to the United Nations. We look forward to hearing your perspective on every issue and do dearly hope you’ll enjoy your stay here in the asylu…errr… assembly. We would encourage you to involve yourself whenever you so desire and offer our delegation’s services should have any questions.

Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich's assistant, Tarquin Fin-tim-lim-bim-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'tang-F'tang-Ole-Biscuitbarrel (http://www.montypython.art.pl/obrazki/lcmp19-15.jpg), hops across the floor, struggling to escape from a straitjacket.

We, the peace-loving inhabitants of the horizontally-challenged nation of Kula Kangri, wish to offer praise to the author of this excellent revision of the previous bioweapons ban, and support its passage wholeheartedly.

Those who regard biological weapons as legitimate tools of war—or other policy—ignore the fact that they are unlike all other weapons in several particulars:
(1) Their effect is not limited in time. Once employed, they may remain active indefinitely, possibly forever.
(2) Their effect is not limited in space. There is no way to be certain that, once employed, the effects will not spread indefinitely... including across borders to other nations not involved in hostilities, as well as possibly to the nation that employed them.
(3) They cannot be made to specifically target only military targets. While other mass-casualty weapons can (and regularly do) cause non-military damage or casualties, they may at least potentially effect only military targets, depending on the proximity of non-military ones. Because of (1) and (2) above, biological weapons are inherently indiscriminate in their effects.
(4) Other weapons do not possess the potential to mutate into new forms. This potential—this inevitability, we should say, based on the experience of contemporary science—is inherent to these weapons, and means that they may never be "safely" employed, no matter how well the nation employing them prepares itself with vaccines or other countermeasures.

We applaud all fellow nations that recognize the unmitigated dangers that these weapons represent. We are likewise forced to question the rationality of any nation that believes otherwise, in the face of the abovementioned facts.

Hmm... interesting proposal. But have we forgotten the threat of unearthly dangers? Extraterrestrials will most likely not be immune to human diseases.

And yes, I am perfectly sane; I am attempting to open the eyes of my fellow UN members to things not on this planet.

Hmm... interesting proposal. But have we forgotten the threat of unearthly dangers? Extraterrestrials will most likely not be immune to human diseases.

And yes, I am perfectly sane; I am attempting to open the eyes of my fellow UN members to things not on this planet.

Welcome to the UN. We should point out to you that there are quite a few UN members that aren't "of this planet" (whichever planet you may be referring to). There are also a fair number of UN member states who have populations that aren't human. Therefore, this is not an objection that has legs. Or tentacles. Or whatever they may be.

- Jinella Agaranth, Ambassador

[SIZE="7"]I can't vote for, because this resolution goes in tatters with resolution #113, repealing a previous resolution similar to the one we are debating today.

:headbang:

EDIT : Just changed a word to be more precise.

OOC: Please don’t do that, it’s annoying and I like having my eyesight. I think we’re all more likely to respect you if you don’t make your posts in needlessly large font. Also, I'm afraid I wasn't sure what "because this resolution goes in tatters with resolution #113" meant so I apologise if I have misunderstood. :)

In Character:
We welcome the representative to the United Nations and extend our help should his delegation require it.

With regard to the reasons for opposition; we would like to point out that the repeal he refers to called for a replacement, this is that replacement.

The intention was to remove a flawed piece of legislation and replace it with a far comprehensive resolution never ever to allow the use of bio-weapons.

We are sure we will be perfectly capable of addressing this in further detail should the representative desire it.

Anravelle Kramer.

Alfred Devereux Sweynsson MD, still wearing the blasted penguin costume that his political superiors have decreed as the St Edmundan Antarctic's "national costume" for official use, enters the Assembly and -- as soon as the opportunity occurs -- speaks:

"The government of the St Edmundan Antarctic has voted for this proposal, and I am authorised to announce that not only my own nation but all the other members of the Godwinnian Commonwealth as well -- although those are not members of the UN -- will be complying fully with its terms whether it passes or not. We agree that 'Biological' weapons are, as several other delegates have already stated, far too indiscriminate and unpredictable for their use to be considered acceptable."

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(OOC: and that's yet another NSO member heard from...)

I can't vote for, because this resolution goes in tatters with resolution #113, repealing a previous resolution similar to the one we are debating today.
Actually, the entire PURPOSE of this repeal was to replace it with something better. That "something better" is what we are debating today.

Roderick Spear
Paradican UN Ambassador

OOC: And please use a sane font size next time.

First, let me assure this Assembly that we have lodged a FOR vote on the convention under consideration. That said, this
Hmm... interesting proposal. But have we forgotten the threat of unearthly dangers? Extraterrestrials will most likely not be immune to human diseases.

And yes, I am perfectly sane; I am attempting to open the eyes of my fellow UN members to things not on this planet.is an interesting side question. Certainly, those of us with future (and near-future) tech societies have encountered the necessity to repel noxious invaders by exposing them to our native flora and fauna. Indeed, we have within the memory of recent generations preserved our homeland by directing invading aliens to our nurseries and day-care centers for a fatal dose of rota virus.

But we do agree in principle with the Altanaran delegate and find comfort in the knowledge that day care centers, as well as small-pox infested blankets, aren't designed specifically to be weapons systems. We would like to assure Skeletor the Great, that should a large enough portion of the UN be faced with such a situation, this Convention would meet its end via repeal. Until then, creativity, my dear Skeletor, creativity in the face of alien invasion.


Leetha Talone
Ambassador to the UN

This is an interesting matter, but it is difficult to choose wheter to go against it or to be in favor of it. What exactly is the current situation? I feel way to lame, to the pages before this one came to exist.

First, we extend a warm welcome to the representative from Soldier Z and offer our services should he so desire them.

Next we would like to request that the representative elaborate on the information he requires and provide the reasons for hesitation so that we may sufficiently dispel the concerns preventing him from voting for.

Anravelle Kramer.

:eek: :mp5:

Do you have something intellegent to say, or are you just going to sit there making faces?

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

I think we are getting too far with this resolution. I have the feeling that this resolution was originally proposed by a "tree-huggers" coallition. When I read the description, I strongly feel that it was written to get the approval of the average nations, those affraid of the power of the strong nations.

But wait a minute!

Biological and Nuclear weapons are, for many countries, the only way to assure their defense.

3-DECLARES that such weapons and agents are unnecessary for the defense of a nation, and carry too much risk of collateral damage to be effectively utilized in any capacity;

Huh?

How do you want an 6 000 000 persons nation to defend herself with only soldiers and tanks againt a 1 500 000 000 persons powerhouse? Everybody knows that such weapons are more dissuassive weapons. In fact, they even help for the maintain of global peace!

I assume that some psychotic dictators could go theirselves too far, but we can assure with some rules the good developpement of Biological weapons, in the security of the nations people and neighbours. Simply wash those weapons from will although encourage psychotic dictators to get bombs theirselves by knowing they will be only them to had some.

So, for the goodness of all the people living on earth, I vote against.

After reading through this proposal it is the position of The United States of Cookesland to support this proposal.

Lostelle Caelia (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Lostelle_Caelia)
Co-UN Ambassador Pro Tempore
The United States of Cookesland

Well, my fellow representatives, I need to know how would this be beneficial to our nations and what would be the flaws of what is being proposed. I am not able to read the pages before, for I do not have enough time to do so.

Our people are more than happy to support this resolution and I have already voted in favor of it.

As the delegate from Soldier Z does not have time to read through the prededing pages of debate, I will keep my summary simple. The debate so far has been: Is this a good proposal? I think it is. No, it isn't. Yes, it is.

This has continued for many closely-argued pages, leading me to the following conclusion: This is a good proposal. It will make you feel good. It will do good things for your nation. Good people will vote for this good proposal. We are good people. We have voted for it.

How do you want an 6 000 000 persons nation to defend herself with only soldiers and tanks againt a 1 500 000 000 persons powerhouse? Everybody knows that such weapons are more dissuassive weapons. In fact, they even help for the maintain of global peace!



That may be true of nuclear weapons, which is why the UN still has them despite their dangers. But biological weapons are as dangerous to the users as they are to the targets. They are very poor as a deterrant.

Very well then, I will vote FOR. I will do it because, it must be done. On the contrary of what anyone else says.

Good to see you among the good people, Soldier Z.

I apologise for my earlier snarkiness. I read your comment as meaning, "My time is more valuable than the time other people have put into arguing this, please spend some of your time making life easy for me." However, I realise that all this can be daunting when you start.

I am glad to see that you have since found the time to read through and make an informed decision.

I think we are getting too far with this resolution. I have the feeling that this resolution was originally proposed by a "tree-huggers" coallition.UNDEFCON is hardly a "tree-huggers[sic] coallition[sic]".

I think we are getting too far with this resolution. I have the feeling that this resolution was originally proposed by a "tree-huggers" coallition. When I read the description, I strongly feel that it was written to get the approval of the average nations, those affraid of the power of the strong nations.

The resolution was drafted in the UN DEFCON forum and is strongly supported by the organization. The vote in the poll in the National Sovereignty Organization currently stands at 13-0 in favor of the resolution. Tree huggers? :eek:

But wait a minute!

Biological and Nuclear weapons are, for many countries, the only way to assure their defense.
How do you want an 6 000 000 persons nation to defend herself with only soldiers and tanks againt a 1 500 000 000 persons powerhouse? Everybody knows that such weapons are more dissuassive weapons. In fact, they even help for the maintain of global peace!

Absolute nonsense. You still have the options to have nuclear, chemical, and advanced-technology weapons in your arsenal, as well as conventional weapons. Any nation that places reliance on notoriously unreliable and exceptionally dangerous biological weapons for its defense is obviously so ignorant of military matters that it would be easy prey no matter what kind of weapons it had.

Amadeus T. Tankhurst
Brigadier, AoA
Military Attache

IC: We are fully in support of this resolution. To think of people doing barbaric things! Good thing this is the UN![/treehugger mode] :)

OOC: 1-DEFINES Biological Agent as any infectious microorganism that is capable of producing lethal or debilitating disease and that has reasonable potential for military application;

Hm. This rules out smallpox. Right?

Well, I don't think so. Remember for all you biological weapons lovers out there, you can STILL have a biological weapon program. It just would be "illegal" per se.

Note that it has to be 'an infectious microorganism'. 'Lethal or debilitating diease'.

As a nation, you DETERMINE what all of this means. Smallpox is a microorganism, but is it infectious? Many nations think so, but, oh, maybe not thanks to your well-funded scientists who insist smallpox is an inherited diease that does not get passed on. Is Smallpox lethal? Is Smallpox debiliating?

....What about a biological weapon that just causes the common cold? It's not debliating. It's not lethal. So, it's not a biological weapon and it's okay. How about a biological weapon that does not kill you, but merely makes you weak, weak enough to be killed by regural troopers? Would it be debilitating? It would be a grey area, which will give you enough of a wiggle room to get out free. If you got the manpower to create biological weapons, then create these biological weapons and get out of the ban.

Or, just use a biological agent that AFFECTS only one person, either by injecting it or spraying it in the air. It's totally lethal, but it cannot spread. Since it cannot spread, since it is not infectious, you are home free. It's regarded as nothing more than a military sniper, and a good one at that. And snipers aren't banned in the UN.

Not to mention, you also got yourselves a loophole right here:

7-PERMITS member nations to research, individually or collectively, such biological agents for peaceful purposes, including, but not limited to, the creation of vaccinations and treatments, the production and testing of decontamination measures, the production of medical countermeasure materials, or other strictly peaceful purposes, provided that appropriate and effective measures are taken with regard to safety and security;

There, you can form your biological weapons program in the open. We are merely placing Smallpox into missles...for peaceful purposes. Yah!

For the people worried of alien invasion, just say that it is 'treatment' of the aliens, who are unsenitent aliens, and therefore, deserve to be 'terminated' like bugs. :)

Also note that chemical weaponary is allowed as well...no regulation on that. Rely on that more...

(...Sorry, but I just have to state that just because a resolution states YOU CANNOT DO THIS does not mean you cannot do it, if you know what I mean. Most likely, however, don't unless you are in a RP and want to get reamed by the rest of the UN. It's not a popular stance to take, and DON'T do it publically.)

The resolution was drafted in the UN DEFCON forum and is strongly supported by the organization. The vote in the poll in the National Sovereignty Organization currently stands at 13-0 in favor of the resolution. Tree huggers? :eek:Perhaps if said tree was being used as a blunt object at the time of hugging... ;)


L.T.

Many people do not seem to fathom the intricacies that would coincide with freedom of biological weapons. Its all well and good to think about your people, soldiers and civilians alike, however, the drastic effects of biological weapons also have severe chain-reactions within the natural world too. Consider livestock that feeds your people almost directly. They, too can and have felt the dire repercussions of man's never-ending strife with one another.

In a nutshell, I don't truly believe that other species should feel the wrath of any more man-made gears of war than they already have for thousands of years. The freedom to unleash unprecedented ailments to their worlds should be destroyed all together. Let's start here.

Many people do not seem to fathom the intricacies that would coincide with freedom of biological weapons. Its all well and good to think about your people, soldiers and civilians alike, however, the drastic effects of biological weapons also have severe chain-reactions within the natural world too. Consider livestock that feeds your people almost directly. They, too can and have felt the dire repercussions of man's never-ending strife with one another.

In a nutshell, I don't truly believe that other species should feel the wrath of any more man-made gears of war than they already have for thousands of years. The freedom to unleash unprecedented ailments to their worlds should be destroyed all together. Interesting start, no?

We would like to offer our support of this proposal.

Good luck.

AGAINST, AGAINST, AGAINST.

That is all I can say.

AGAINST, AGAINST, AGAINST.

That is all I can say.

If that is all you can say, then the other members of the UN could be forgiven, we trust, for not taking your objection all that seriously.

- Jinella Agaranth, Ambassador

Alfred Devereux Sweynsson MD, still wearing the blasted penguin costume that his political superiors have decreed as the St Edmundan Antarctic's "national costume" for official use, enters the Assembly and -- as soon as the opportunity occurs -- speaks:

Red Hot approaches the distinguished representative from the St Edmundan Antarctic. "Hey big fellow, you sure look cute. Downright SEXY in fact. Why don't we meet after the vote in the stranger's bar for some Saki and krill?"

UNDEFCON is hardly a "tree-huggers[sic] coallition[sic]".

I have it on good authority that before the Frustrated Franciscans left they did manage to get Tzorsland officials to "shake hands" with a tree, but hugging was downright out. Good thing to because they loved to convince others to be friendly with the trees covered in poison ivy.

AGAINST, AGAINST, AGAINST.

That is all I can say.

Well if that is all you can say, I look forward to you saying no more. Perhaps you might do well to learn the language so as to increase your vocabulary to more than one word in all uppercase letters.

if someone loves war he will probably be against. We believe in peaceful harmony among the nations and based on classic ideas of socialism we can make our dreams come true. We tottaly support and respect the UN suggestion. Peace can be feasible.

Valaroutsos Kostas
Prime Minister of the People's Republic of Anti-modernizators

The resolution UN Bio Agent Convention was passed 7,556 votes to 3,045, and implemented in all UN member nations.

The Principality of Ausserland extends its heartiest congratulations to the distinguished representative of Kivisto on the passage of this fine resolution. And we add our thanks for a worthy contribution to making the world of NationStates a safer place for all our people.

By order of His Royal Highness, the Prince of Ausserland:

Balthasar H. von Aschenbach
Prime Minister

AGAINST, AGAINST, AGAINST.

That is all I can say.

If that is all you can say, then the other members of the UN could be forgiven, we trust, for not taking your objection all that seriously.

And forgiven if we choose to defenestrate him.

The resolution UN Bio Agent Convention was passed 7,556 votes to 3,045, and implemented in all UN member nations.

Congratulations on a job well done go to the Kivistan delegation, in particular, and to DEFCON (http://s15.invisionfree.com/UN_DEFCON), in general, for orchestrating the repeal and replacement of the earlier, seriously flawed resolution.

And now that this debate is over, I can return to the Death Star. Finally, I can get out of this looney bin.

Cordially,
Sheik Nottap bin Cluich
Cluichstani Defense Minister
Chairman, UN DEFCON (http://s15.invisionfree.com/UN_DEFCON)

UN DEFCON
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We care more about your nation's security than you do. (http://s15.invisionfree.com/UN_DEFCON)

i comply

i comply

This was almost funny the first six or seven times. After 14 such posts (and no other contribution to this or any other forum), I'm just going to call it what it is.

Warned for spamming.

We would just like to thank everyone for their assistance, contributions, support, votes, and compliance throughout the entire process of this bill. We would further like to express that we merely served as the focus for the compound efforts of UN DEFCON in the creation of this convention. As such, we must share the credit with all of our colleagues there. Thanks again, guys, for allowing me to bring this to the UN.

This was almost funny the first six or seven times. After 14 such posts (and no other contribution to this or any other forum), I'm just going to call it what it is.

Warned for spamming.

OOC: I suppose I'll just let my puppet Anti-Picker die then. :p