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LIBERAL SOCIALIST PARTY
DISSOLVEMENT OF NUCLEAR ARMS PROGRAM

Upon the acceptance of this act, all nations with active nuclear arms programs will be required to permantly dismantle their nuclear programs. The only aceptable use of nuclear materials is nuclear energy plants. The United Socialist States of Rhodnia has already begun the dismantlement of its nuclear programs.

In compliance with the act, all nations will be required to:

1: Dismantle its nuclear weapons and silos.
2: All nuclear materials must be accounted for and a full report sent to the United Nations.
3: U.N. weapons inspectors must be allowed to examine all weapons facilities.
4: Every nation is allowed to use it's nuclear materials for energy purposes only.
5: Any nation that refused to allow U.N. weapons inspectors into its country will be viewed as a hostile nation and removed from the U.N.
6: Any nation that refuses to dismantle its nuclear weapons program will be viewed as hostile.
7: Weapons inspectors must be allowed to view all weapons facilities three times a year.

LIBERAL SOCIALIST PARTY
DISSOLVEMENT OF NUCLEAR ARMS PROGRAM

Upon the acceptance of this act, all nations with active nuclear arms programs will be required to permantly dismantle their nuclear programs. The only aceptable use of nuclear materials is nuclear energy plants. The United Socialist States of Rhodnia has already begun the dismantlement of its nuclear programs.

In compliance with the act, all nations will be required to:

1: Dismantle its nuclear weapons and silos.
2: All nuclear materials must be accounted for and a full report sent to the United Nations.
3: U.N. weapons inspectors must be allowed to examine all weapons facilities.
4: Every nation is allowed to use it's nuclear materials for energy purposes only.
5: Any nation that refused to allow U.N. weapons inspectors into its country will be viewed as a hostile nation and removed from the U.N.
6: Any nation that refuses to dismantle its nuclear weapons program will be viewed as hostile.
7: Weapons inspectors must be allowed to view all weapons facilities three times a year.

I agree that the world has no need for nuclear weapons, but parts 5 & 6 kind of confuse, so what you are saying is the only punishment an uncompliant nation will face is removal from the United Nations. It won't work without harsher reprisals for disobediance.

Uhhhh.. question, what exactly will you do if say, a nation told your you U.N. weapons inspectors to go play hide-n-go fuck yourself? What will you do then Mr/or/Ms. Liberal Khan?

An obvious problem with nuclear disarmament is that 75% of NS is not in the UN. It could be a disaster if the UN nations had to disarm while rogue non-UN nations kept their weapons.

An obvious problem with nuclear disarmament is that 75% of NS is not in the UN. It could be a disaster if the UN nations had to disarm while rogue non-UN nations kept their weapons.

I agree, I stepped down from the U.N. a few weeks ago, and I will have you know that I will not disarm my Nuclear Weapons,and will not allow U.N. weapons inspectors to destroy the soveriegnty of my nation!

An obvious problem with nuclear disarmament is that 75% of NS is not in the UN. It could be a disaster if the UN nations had to disarm while rogue non-UN nations kept their weapons.An obvious problem with this proposal is that it is illegal. Contradiction. Resolution #109 Nuclear Armaments (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9384768&postcount=110). Read it.

We would like to welcome the honoured representative of Liberal Khan to this august assemblage, and congratulate on an audacious proposal that will doubtless raise considerable ire. Before we discuss the proposal itself, there is one petty drafting detail which should be brought to the ambassador's attention, lest it be lost in the subsequent argument.

Upon the acceptance of this act, all nations with active nuclear arms programs will be required to permantly dismantle their nuclear programs. The only aceptable use of nuclear materials is nuclear energy plants. The United Socialist States of Rhodnia has already begun the dismantlement of its nuclear programs.

It is highly unwise to mention a nation by name in a resolution, and potentially invalidates such a proposal for reasons of branding. Under normal circumstances we would also recommend using the preamble to briefly lay out the reasoning behind the resolution, but in this case we suspect that nuclear disarmament is a sufficiently emotive topic that any such preamble would achieve nothing.

Should this draft be considered near ready to be formally proposed, we would appreciate the opportunity to comment further on issues of spelling and grammar that would be mere distractions at this moment.

In compliance with the act, all nations will be required to:

1: Dismantle its nuclear weapons and silos.
2: All nuclear materials must be accounted for and a full report sent to the United Nations.
3: U.N. weapons inspectors must be allowed to examine all weapons facilities.
4: Every nation is allowed to use it's nuclear materials for energy purposes only.
5: Any nation that refused to allow U.N. weapons inspectors into its country will be viewed as a hostile nation and removed from the U.N.
6: Any nation that refuses to dismantle its nuclear weapons program will be viewed as hostile.
7: Weapons inspectors must be allowed to view all weapons facilities three times a year.
On a practical issue, the UN has no weapons inspectors at present; this resolution should mandate their creation as a body. We would also be exceedingly concerned that inspections three times a year would create what even we would have to concede were excessive levels of administrative overhead and disruption. Perhaps the recent discussions surrounding nuclear safety proposals might be illuminating?

Also, while we do not wish to sound too focused on the detail, for the avoidance of doubt we suggest that clause 6 repeat the consequences of being regarded as a hostile as clause 5 does, for the avoidance of doubt.

All of this said, we simply do not believe this proposal will fly. The simple existence of nuclear arsenals is a major factor in the lives of many nations, only some of whom pledge themselves to follow the laws of the United Nations. As many of our fellow ambassadors will no doubt demonstrate by the vigour of their discussion, the elimination of nuclear stockpiles by our member countries is unlikely to cause any of those who have chosen not to follow the lead of this chamber to reduce their nuclear munitions one whit, save perhaps by their deployment. As such, this admirably rooted proposal may well increase rather than decrease international tensions.

Please understand that we say this as a representative of a nation unlikely to ever desire to possess a nuclear, chemical, biological, trans-dimensional or magical arsenal of any great significance. We are well aware of the common argument that one solid foundation of defensive security is the existence of offensive preparedness, even though we would disagree with the extent to which some of our fellow nations take the maxim. Bearing such in mind, we cannot in all honesty criticise the current state of international nuclear deterrence without being accused, with some justification, of cowardly hypocrisy.

None the less, we thank you for making this effort, and trust that you will not lose heart at our disagreement.

ETA: The Gobbannaen Ambassador pauses, then smites his head firmly.

Of course, the argument advanced by the honoured Kennyite representative is considerably more important than our wasted words.

LIBERAL SOCIALIST PARTY
DISSOLVEMENT OF NUCLEAR ARMS PROGRAM

Upon the acceptance of this act, all nations with active nuclear arms programs will be required to permantly dismantle their nuclear programs. The only aceptable use of nuclear materials is nuclear energy plants. The United Socialist States of Rhodnia has already begun the dismantlement of its nuclear programs.

In compliance with the act, all nations will be required to:

1: Dismantle its nuclear weapons and silos.
2: All nuclear materials must be accounted for and a full report sent to the United Nations.
3: U.N. weapons inspectors must be allowed to examine all weapons facilities.
4: Every nation is allowed to use it's nuclear materials for energy purposes only.
5: Any nation that refused to allow U.N. weapons inspectors into its country will be viewed as a hostile nation and removed from the U.N.
6: Any nation that refuses to dismantle its nuclear weapons program will be viewed as hostile.
7: Weapons inspectors must be allowed to view all weapons facilities three times a year.

Over your irradiated corpses.

Commandant Cidolfas Kramer
Military Advisor to The Grand Poobah of The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites


Thank you for that enlightening assessment of our position Cid.:rolleyes: However, not only is this illegal for the reason Kennyite representative stated, it also breaks the branding rules, and due to it mandating ejection from the UN the very mechanics of the game. Perhaps you should revue the proposal rules (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465) before trying again.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

I agree that the world has no need for nuclear weapons, but parts 5 & 6 kind of confuse, so what you are saying is the only punishment an uncompliant nation will face is removal from the United Nations. It won't work without harsher reprisals for disobediance.

i dont believe the UN has any other menthod of deterring nations apart from ejecting them and viewng them as hostile unless there are some trade embargos in place for nations such as these that i dont not no about.

and as for only using the radioactive materials for energy generation, that is completely impossible to regulate and enforce. the radioisotopes used in power stations, eg uranium and plutonium differ from the weapons grade isotopes only by the amount of enrichment they have undergone. and depending on the power requirements of the country and the nature of the power station, weapons grade materials could easily be used in generating power. which leaves the problem of how do you make sure not even a tennis ball sized piece of this material is moved to a different location because this is all a nuclear divice requires.

and then the process of disposing of spent material could also be comprimised by using some of that material in dirty bombs. this process would have to be done with the constant and perminant supervision of the UN if it were to become even the slighest bit regulatable.

so it is obvious that complete nuclear disarmament is impossible to impose on a country using fission reactors as a source of power generation without their willingness to comply.

the only thing this bill can achieve is in disarming the trusting and peace loving nations that are naive enough to follow its instruction, leaving them open to attack from other unscrupulous countries. and it is these countries that are lease likely to use the weapons in the first place.

a more fitting proposal would be to put in place a MAD system

a more fitting proposal would be to put in place a MAD system

I get pissed off when people try to limit nuclear arms. Does that count?

Rang Erman
Advisor
Ambassador Pro Tempore

The new Altanari ambassador, Jinella Agaranth, reads the draft, grimaces, and whispers something to her assistant, Ikir Askarabath, who simply nods, watches her walk out, and then places a small card in front of the nameplate on Altanar's desk, which reads:

"NO."

He then walks out after her, shaking his head.

Ahh, clean it up a bit and this would be my ultimate pipe-dream resolution.
If only....


Anyways, back to reality. As previously pointed out this resolution is illegal, and even if it was legal, alot of powerful UN members buy into the faulty concept of Mutually Assured Destruction, and it wouldn't likely pass.

Best bet is a fair compromise, limiting size, numbers, capability, and deployment of nuclear weapons, which several proposals have already made steps towards. Look at some of them, and if you can think of something new to add, or a good replacement for another resolution, come on down.

If it ever got to the point of a disarmament resolution being close to passing, Hirota would comply by employing "controlled" explosions of the nuclear devices in resolution authors capital city.