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Please endorse in the UN proposals page:

Description: CONCERNED that

1) Sexually transmitted diseases (STD) infected patients are on the rise all over the world, covering a wide age range.

2) Unwanted pregnancies are on the rise, which in turn causes abortion rates to increase

PROPOSE that member nations supply free condoms in schools and other publicly accessible places where people can retrieve them freely.

This legislation PROMOTES safe sex

1)This would especially aid the younger generation to be sexually responsible.

2)This can potentially help slow down the aforementioned social difficulties.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 113 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sat Feb 17 2007

Thanks for putting a copy up on here. It would have been better if you'd put a draft on here rather than the final article, but I hope you don't mind if I run a brief critique on the proposal?

1) Sexually transmitted diseases (STD) infected patients are on the rise all over the world, covering a wide age range.This seems a tad cumbersome - not great english.2) Unwanted pregnancies are on the rise, which in turn causes abortion rates to increaseThe first part is possibly true, but given that abortion is sadly not protected by the UN, it's difficult to confirm the second part.This legislation PROMOTES safe sexWell, you could argue it does the opposite, but more on that later.1)This would especially aid the younger generation to be sexually responsible.You could also say it makes it easier to be sexually active.2)This can potentially help slow down the aforementioned social difficulties.Assuming we accept that 1) and 2) are actually happening (first of all on a generally global level, and then you can inevitably expect nations to say they don't have those issues.

It's bound to get opposition, and it would benefit from strengthening.

It's been deleted anyway; wrong category.

The Anarchist Alliance has the following comments to this proposal:


1) Sexually transmitted diseases (STD) infected patients are on the rise all over the world, covering a wide age range.

Free prevention should be only a part of the prevention of sexually transmitted diseases, and free medical testing and treatment should in our oppinion be made a part of the resoltion.


2) Unwanted pregnancies are on the rise, which in turn causes abortion rates to increase

Or more children is born if there are religious prohibitions against abortion. In any instance, the use of prevention and the sosial expectanse of the use of such when the couple don't actively strives to get children would in our oppinion give the women more influence over their life, as it's not the man that faces most of the consequenses of a pregnancy.

PROPOSE that member nations supply free condoms in schools and other publicly accessible places where people can retrieve them freely.

We are against the placement of free condoms in schools, as it will create an expectansy on the pupils to have sex, putting a preasure on those that for one reason or another don't want to bring sex into their relationship on its current stage. This would make this proposal a promotion of sex in general, not safer sex as you claim.

This legislation PROMOTES safe sex
No, it don't. At best it promotes less unvanted pregnancy.

To sum up, our nation is for this legislation with the exception of the above mentioned wording. Since this is just a proposal, we will also vote for it in its current form, but we would prefere that its wording was changed, taking in account our comments.

HP Funding
Elected First Speaker of Medical Assistance and Health Care of The People of The Anarchist Alliance

Hell no. The only rubbers in HotRodia are tires for our cars, and our medical technology is such that we don't need condoms anyway. There are, however, many places you can buy sex toys, so feel free to visit and purchase anything you like.

HotRodian UN Representative
Accelerus Dioce

I like this: not clouded by other topics, and not too wordy, like almost all resolutions being passed nowadays! I agree with the Anarchist Alliance, it might need a bit of rewording, but apart from that, I like it! Would we want to mention sex education in this resolution? Its important, but its such a big topic that i wonder if it would fit in this resolution without effectively taking it over. maybe just a quick mention of pamphlets or something to be distributed with condoms, with advice on safe/correct usage?

One suggestion: maybe we should add more suggested places for distribution, like family planning centers? or even nightclubs and the like? not necessary, I know, but it will benefit from that.

Hirota: how does the availability of condoms reduce safe sex? it may increase the amount of sex, certainly, but unless you think that the greater number of usages would then more instances of things going wrong, like bursting, i dont think it would. in fact, with more condoms available, logically there would be less sex without condoms, which would result in safer sex. I'd like to hear your argument though! Discussion/arguments/fights make life fun!

Pax in Aeternum
Those who desire peace must reject idealism

Friends

We agree shorter proposals are better, yet, we would like, as a way to maybe prevent some borderline statesto oppose this, some sort of education mentioned. Even if it is only by mentioning that free condoms should be part of the ABC (Abistinance, Be Faithful, Concomise) aproach.



We are happy to see this sort of thinking in the UN once more

Sir Cyril: Condoms?
Dusty Miller: i think they mean those rubber things they give to sailors
Sir Cyril: I don't know of them, although it doesn't suprise me that you do, Able Seaman!
Dusty Miller: I'm not the serial bigamist with 700 kids, sir...

It's been deleted anyway; wrong category.

Do you remember what category it was in? I would think the best fit is as some sort of social justice styled category.

I like this: not clouded by other topics, and not too wordy, like almost all resolutions being passed nowadays!
Regrettably, through those twin virtues it falls into the vice of humanocentric thinking. Whilst not a practical issue to our nation, a little more thought and a little more wordiness would have produced a much better directed proposal. Also hopefully one whose wording was not quite so careless in its apparent precision.

That said, we share the concerns of Hirota and the Anarchist Alliance that this solution may not be as apt as might be hoped.

Do you remember what category it was in?Human Rights.

I would think the best fit is as some sort of social justice styled category.Correct. TANSTAAFL

I want to thank the submitter of this proposal, for smoking out the 'we never invented condoms but there are no STDs either' shit. It always cracks me up.

I'd suggest broadening this to contraceptives in general, as a start.

And shouldn't it be TANSTAAFF?

-- George Madison
Legislative Director
Quintessence of Dust Department of UN Affairs

There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch


Edit: Nevermind. I get it.

Wow, Hack. You're losin' it. ;)

Well, what do you expect? He's almost 4 years old. Reactions start slowing, a few wrinkles, start talking about the youth of today....

I suppose mods collect a decent pension though.



:p

I agree with what people are saying: Im not saying that this is complete, I said that in my post. I reckon it definitely needs a bit of changing, to improve the english and maybe cover the education aspect as well. however, I do think that there are enough resolutions on sex education already: whats more, its not the topic of the resolution. a small mention, yes, but if it start taking over the resolution, thats not so good... it is about free condoms, after all.
We are against the placement of free condoms in schools, as it will create an expectansy on the pupils to have sex, putting a preasure on those that for one reason or another don't want to bring sex into their relationship on its current stage. This would make this proposal a promotion of sex in general, not safer sex as you claim.
Sorry, but I don't quite agree. If youre going to argue that, you have to think about the media in general: in most economic states, sex is promoted all the time. Just having a bit more in schools should make next to no difference: what's more, it isnt like other promotion of sex, in that it promotes "safe" sex in particular, rather than sex in general. However, since this may be a controversial issue, maybe it could be changed to have schools as a suggested place, rather than a definite place. I still go along with the ideas with this proposal, and would like to see it in resolution form eventually.

Pax in Aeternum
Those who desire peace must reject idealism

So what if he's losin' it, he's still gettin' it, he said so. Lucky devil.

(The above is an ostentatiously virtuous attempt to drag the conversation back within hailing distance of the topic. Compliance by innuendo.)