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Continuity Of Government

A resolution to restrict political freedoms in the interest of law and order.


Category: Political Stability


Strength: Mild


Proposed by: Yelda

Description: The General Assembly of The United Nations,
Palimpsest (I): 1B. The United Nations hereby establishes the United Nations Emergency Preparedness Committee (UNEPC). The duties of the UNEPC shall be:
ALARMED by the possibility that war, terrorist acts and/or natural disasters could lead to the deaths of numerous UN member delegations;
a. The selection of a suitable location for the General Assembly to be reassembled in the event of any man-made or natural disaster which requires that the current facilities be completely vacated.
CONCERNED that widespread loss of these member delegations would lead to a disruption of the normal functioning of the United Nations;
b. The re-staffing of all UN Committees.
DETERMINED to ensure that the United Nations continues to function in the event of any man-made or natural disaster which results in the death or incapacitation of significant numbers of its member delegations;
c. To ensure that the day to day business of the United Nations is conducted until such time as a new General Assembly is seated.

HEREBY enacts the following:

1. All member nations will designate an official within their government who shall immediately have the authority to function as an acting UN ambassador in the event of the unexpected death, disappearance or incapacitation of the their permanent UN representative.
2B. Aram Koopman is hereby designated as chairman of the UNEPC and is charged with ensuring the survival of the United Nations.
2. All member nations will maintain a list of qualified individuals who would be immediately available to fill vacancies in critical positions on their UN delegations.
3B. Tarquin Fin-tim-lim-bim-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'tang-F'tang-Ole-Biscuitbarrel is hereby designated vice-chairman of the UNEPC.
3. All member nations will establish procedures to ensure that an acting UN delegation will be assembled in a timely manner.
4B. Should the chairman, Aram Koopman, be unable to fulfill his duties, the chairmanship shall pass to the aforementioned Tarquin Ole-Biscuitbarrel.
4. Acting delegations shall be vested with full authority to exercise their respective nations' UN powers and privileges until such time as a permanent delegation is appointed by their government.

Here are the earlier discussion/drafting threads:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=514764

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497388

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476357

This has been around for awhile. I'm sure all of you are familiar with it and are prepared to offer clear and concise arguments. As usual, asshattery will be ignored.

This has been around for awhile.

And Ariddia will support, again. Min-Sun needs to get used to greater responsabilities. And besides, the less time I spend in the GA, the less your ears will be damaged by Michael playing with the mike.

Michael, I've warned you...!


Christelle Zyryanov,
Ambassador to the United Nations,
PDSRA

When I first saw this I wondered why we were bothering with it. Why should the NSUN have to tell member nations to do this? Any nation with common sense would do this stuff without being told. Then I thought about that for a while. We'll vote for it.

[:p ]

Balthasar H. von Aschenbach
Prime Minister

As the representative of the Protectorate of HMS Churchill/Falaroc, representative of the Democratic Empire of Vantanas, I will be supporting this proposal.

-Douglas Sharperblade
UN Representative
Protectorate of HMS Churchill/Falaroc, Democratic Empire of Vantanas

Ritico was initially going to oppose this resolution due to it's lack of Democracy, but upon further reading I realized we could hold interior elections for the replacement delegation rather quickly and still be within these new rules. The Democratic Republic of Ritico intends to support this resolution. On a sidenote, it's nice to see a piece of legislation we don't need to argue about.

President of Ritico Walker Jade
Democratic Republic of Ritico
Member: Conservative Republics

On a sidenote, it's nice to see a piece of legislation we don't need to argue about.

Don't be too sure about that. I'm sure someone will find a reason to oppose this, although for the life of me, I can't think of any that would make sense.

Oh. Altanar is in favor of this resolution.

- Jinella Agaranth, Acting Ambassador

Don't be too sure about that. I'm sure someone will find a reason to oppose this, although for the life of me, I can't think of any that would make sense.

If you'd really like, I could try and drum something up that sounds at least somewhat plausible. I might even be able to convince a few who oppose to come and speak their mind.

I'm kinda "meh" about this at the moment. I understand its purpose, but I don't know that I see its necessity. I'll await some argument to sway me one way or the other. Barring that, I'll just vote in favour of my region-mates decision. Not our normal habit, but lacking any strong stance on it myself....

If you'd really like, I could try and drum something up that sounds at least somewhat plausible. I might even be able to convince a few who oppose to come and speak their mind.

OOC: I'm half-tempted to object on anarchist grounds that because government is bad we should not support the continuance of it.

OOC: I'm half-tempted to object on anarchist grounds that because government is bad we should not support the continuance of it.

OOC: I'm leaning more to the political Darwinism side. If these nations can't manage to arrange for smooth international affairs, then maybe they shouldn't.

*Moros stands, rolling his cigar smoke in eddies as he contemplates his words*

I hull-artedly support this ere resolution, well I don’t actually but those bloody idiots back in Venetia told mi to say that. I av nothin’ against it beyond that it talks about me deeing and I don’t want those wimps back at ‘ome to have an excuse for killin' me off.

*Anravelle runs into the GA after hearing that distinct…no, vile excuse for a voice that Moros uses. “I really need to stop leaving the room” “Ah but if you didn’t then you’d end up killing him wouldn’t you?” “Good point” “You just agreed with yourself”.*

Seniority, seniority! Get away from that mic!

Uhhhhh, what we mean to say is that we whole-heartedly support this resolution. Ithania views it as a wise and flexible pre-caution to ensure this organisation’s stability irrespective of the hardships faced by its member nations.

We also see this as in no way imposing on our governmental system as the sole purpose of our UN department is to be tailored as perfectly as possible to this organisation’s needs; in fact we believe that this contingency will aid smooth transition should Ithania suffer adversity by providing an outside motivation should government collapse.

Our single concern over this is that Mister Koopman and Mister Ole-Biscuitbarrel aren’t awarded any positions of authority. We’d be greatly pleased to see their ascension to the posts stipulated in previous drafts for their continued service to the general morale of this esteemed body.

Anravelle Kramer,
UN Ambassador,
Ice Queendom of Ithania.

The Prime Minister turns to Ambassador Thwerdock.

"That woman from Ithania," he whispers, "she does go on, doesn't she?"

"Yes, sir."

"Does she ever make sense?"

"Only when she wants to", the Ambassador replies with a wink.

"Thought so."

Waterana supports this resolution. Can't see any reason not to.

Waterana supports this resolution. Can't see any reason not to.

Oh. Well, if you're going to restrict yourself to reason, then we might as well not have any debate at all, I guess.:p

"Does she ever make sense?"

"Only when she wants to", the Ambassador replies with a wink.

Anravelle passes a gnome a wax sealed note to be delivered to the Ausserland Prime Minister reading:

He’s quite right, you should listen to him. Ithanian’s are notorious for either saying very little and being totally incoherent, or saying too much and being even more incoherent.

The level of incoherence depends on how indifferent we feel over something. Our historians think it’s because we’re derived from a race, which is still very widespread today, called “bureaucrats”.

Oh and as for how…well I may or may not be able to lip read having served for our Ministry of Intelligence which may or may not exist for a period of time which may or may not have been five years. This message may or may not self-destruct in 10 seconds.

[OOC: Sorry to carry this bit on hun, it was just a very convenient chance to introduce Anravelle’s history. :) ]

1. All member nations will designate an official within their government who shall immediately have the authority to function as an acting UN ambassador in the event of the unexpected death, disappearance or incapacitation of the their permanent UN representative.

2. All member nations will maintain a list of qualified individuals who would be immediately available to fill vacancies in critical positions on their UN delegations.

Problem with part 1: By designating an official beforehand, it seems only logical that assassins would eliminate this person as well.

Problem with part 2: Again, having prelisted officials their lives are in danger.

The best thing is to simply mandate that all governments have processes to deal with such emergency situations.

Of course, none of this is bad enough to make me campaign (or even vote) against this resolution. I'll probably abstain from voting.

We would disagree even on those minor concerns and suggest that the lists of representatives may be kept under heavy security clearance; there is no need for them to be public. If assassins become aware of the representative's names or gain a copy of the list then that’s a failure on the part of the government structure as a whole.

In our opinion the only way such instances could be compensated for is by this resolution becoming over mighty and interfering with in the classification systems of member nations.

In most cases we’re sure those systems are presently sufficient and we believe the resolution is already brief as is without further reducing it to just mandating that members have to do something yet not give any suggestions as to how accomplish this aim.

Anravelle Kramer,
UN Ambassador,
Ice Queendom of Ithania.

[OOC:I'm quite tired so that might not have been entirely IC nonsense]

The United States of Cookesland supports this proposal.


Janvier Solana
United Nations Ambassador
the United States of Cookesland

OOC: I'm half-tempted to object on anarchist grounds that because government is bad we should not support the continuance of it.

OOC: I'm leaning more to the political Darwinism side. If these nations can't manage to arrange for smooth international affairs, then maybe they shouldn't.
OOC: there's those two arguments and then there's the national sovereignty argument: UN interference in how nations seat their delegations.

Anravelle passes a gnome a wax sealed note to be delivered to the Ausserland Prime Minister reading:

He’s quite right, you should listen to him. Ithanian’s are notorious for either saying very little and being totally incoherent, or saying too much and being even more incoherent.

The level of incoherence depends on how indifferent we feel over something. Our historians think it’s because we’re derived from a race, which is still very widespread today, called “bureaucrats”.

Oh and as for how…well I may or may not be able to lip read having served for our Ministry of Intelligence which may or may not exist for a period of time which may or may not have been five years. This message may or may not self-destruct in 10 seconds.

[OOC: Sorry to carry this bit on hun, it was just a very convenient chance to introduce Anravelle’s history. :) ]

The Prime Minister reads the note, chortles, scribbles something on the back, and hands it to the gnome to be returned to Ambassador Kramer.

"A diplomat who can't lipread is like a day without sunshine. Aschenbach."

OOC: there's those two arguments and then there's the national sovereignty argument: UN interference in how nations seat their delegations.

Yeah, I can't really go for the Nat Sov argument regarding a nation's international ambassadors who handle their international affairs. Even simpler than that it's the UN putting some guidelines on who nations send to the UN to deal with the UN on behalf of the nation. Nah, Nat/Sov doesn't really fly for me here.

Don't be too sure about that. I'm sure someone will find a reason to oppose this, although for the life of me, I can't think of any that would make sense.

Oh. Altanar is in favor of this resolution.

- Jinella Agaranth, Acting Ambassador

You make an interesting point. As of now, 4:15 Eastern Standard Time, the votes are tied 22-22 (then again, its very early in the voting process). However, I have heard a lot of support for this Resolution and I am leaning towards voting for it, but at the same time, I would like to see more reasons why NOT to vote for it from the other 22 people who voted against it. I know that they have a legitimate reason not to vote for it; I just want to know, what is that reason?

2. All member nations will maintain a list of qualified individuals who would be immediately available to fill vacancies in critical positions on their UN delegations.

This is obviously nothing but an attempt to restrict Fishyguy's NSUN access. I must assert my right to send whomever, or whatever, I choose as my government's representative.

(I'm voting for :p )

While I recognize that the UN delegation is of a separate organization as the region, perhaps the best way to do it is through the order of succession in the region. It does not necessarily mean a special position needs to be appointed.

It's just like how if the president dies, the vice president takes over, and when the vice-president dies, the speaker of the house takes over, and if he dies, the majority leader takes over, and so on and so forth. Basically a line of succession.

And that should be left to every region to decide how they want this line of succession to be. With no end to the line of succession, terrorists can't exactly kill all.

Just my thoughts.

LAE vote FOR, as it can also (ICly) increase the interest of members in this body, increase the number of members voting on, drafting and contributing to NSUN proposals.

Sanguinex will be voting for this proposal. It makes perfect sense and ensures that there would be no disruption to the UN no matter what happens in individual member nations. Also as others have stated there is no reason not to vote for it, it is completely inoffensive and would take almost no effort to comply with.

AGAINST:

this resolution is fear based. we embrace personal liberty over political continuity any day, fear based manipulations be damned!

AGAINST:

this resolution is fear based. we embrace personal liberty over political continuity any day, fear based manipulations be damned!

What on earth are you talking about?


Christelle Zyryanov,
Ambassador to the United Nations,
PDSRA

The Disputed Territories belong to Me. In fact, The Region of Barovia would destroy itself and cease to exist with out my benevolent hand.

1- The thought that anyone else could dare attempt to know and convey my wishes to the assembly is bemusing. Anyone claiming to have authority, besides myself, would be an act of treason.

2- No one is qualified to replace my sovereignty, Therefor this list is made not only unnecessary, but impossible to assemble.

3- I shall be there.

4- No one shall be vested with any authority during my reign.

This proposal serves no purpose. It is a weak attempt to force the small countries and regions to adopt a formal government and to force the collapse of dictatorships. I simply can not endorse any idea that would threaten to remove my rule.

Baron Von Stradh, Sole Ruler of Barovia.
"One for Me, All for Me"

OOC(¿out of character?): Kinda new to the forum, but just decided to chime in anyway.

I don't really understand the point of this resolution. It just seems like it wouldn't really do much. It appears to me that it would just get repealed anyway later on anyways, on the grounds that it is superfluous.

It's also sort of obvious that a nation would appoint people underneath the UN delegate to take over in the case of the delegate's death. Furthermore, if a nation's government is dumb enough not to do so, then they do not really deserve to be running the country.

Even so, I think I will abstain. I don't particularly like this resolution but at the same time, I am not ardently against it. These are just my thought although it doesn't really matter to me whether it passes or not.

Firstly, we’d like to welcome the dictator to this body and do hope that he’ll continue to contribute his opinion. However, simply out curiosity, we’d like to ask a few questions about your concerns if we may?

1- The thought that anyone else could dare attempt to know and convey my wishes to the assembly is bemusing. Anyone claiming to have authority, besides myself, would be an act of treason.
May we ask who is presently committing an “act of treason” in your homeland? If you are conveying your “wishes to this assembly” then there must be an individual who you have awarded caretaker powers or are you so knowledgeable that you have temporarily left your home without a leader?

4- No one shall be vested with any authority during my reign.
Then we believe it is quite fortunate that this is addressing what would occur after your reign ends via “death, disappearance or incapacitation” or do you believe yourself to be immortal?

This legislation isn’t mandating that you must provide anybody else with power in the present; you may remain the government official who fills the ambassador role, you may retain the sole ability to exercise your UN powers.

This is referring to events that may occur in the future of your nation such as your death and if you’re dead then why care who delivers wishes to this organisation?

Anravelle Kramer,
UN Ambassador,
Ice Queendom of Ithania.

[OOC: welcome again hun!:)]

*The Deputy U.N Officer shuffles his papers reading the current resolution*

"Continuity of government? So if Officer Gatefold gets killed I'm the top dog? Sweet! Accept!"

Richard Ferdland
Deputy (Not for long!) U.N. Officer,
The Constitutional Monarchy of Glerica

I believe that with my passing, not only do my personal territories cease to exist, but the region of Barovia as a whole.

OOC: Re "Through the Looking Glass" by C.S. Lewis page 145

The Benevolent Creator and Ruler of All within his sight,
Baron Von Stradh

It is not necessary to leave anyone in charge in my absence, as I allow all to live freely within my lands as long as they stay out of my castle. I do not interfere in their affairs and as only that they do not interfere in mine. I allow the populace, as a whole, to govern themselves through martial law.

And as side note, my castle is well defended in my leave and my steward is capable in that capacity. I am sure my time abroad goes unnoticed by the "flock" i maintain in my care.

Baron Von Stradh

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL291/1756382/5512569/t-226832169.jpg (http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL291/1756382/5512569/226832169.jpg)

Greetings. My name is Tzor Red-Brown and I'm speaking to you from a secret undisclosed location. Secretary Red-Hot is on holiday - it's mating season you know - yes she's still single - and Flash Blonde is indisposed. Anyway, I would like to say that Retired Werepenguins officially is still waiting to be "insulted" - if you get my Gilbert and Sullivan reference - on the matter of this resolution. However in any event Faithful Navigator Marian Red has appointed me to be the replacement for Flash should he experience a sudden demise or other incapacitation, above and beyond being indisposed.

So if you don't mind I'm going out to watch the sunset in my secret undisclosed location, I've got tickets on the Western Union. Then it's off for an evening at the Hog's Breath Bar. (Oops, have I revealed too much about my secret undisclosed location?)

OOC: Re "Through the Looking Glass" by C.S. Lewis page 145
OOC:
Oh dear I dislike C.S. Lewis because he was a member of the Fabian Society. I blame them mainly for the rise of the dastardly Labour party in the UK so as a matter of principle I boycott them even after death. :P

I think the only good quality about him was that he managed to annoy Beatrice Webb who was even worse. ;)

However, thank you for finding a specifc reference. It's only fair that I read it and I'd like to welcome you to the UN again.

IC:
We thank the dictator for his concise answers on his style of government irrespective of whether that style is disturbing to a nation such as Ithania.

We would like to recommend that given his nation will self-obliterate the moment he leaves this world then perhaps he would like to help in protecting the governments of other nations by retracting his vote and switching it to FOR.

After all, you have nothing to lose yet accomplish a good deed by aiding others in this world by giving them a protection should their governments collapse.

Anravelle Kramer,
UN Ambassador,
Ice Queendom of Ithania.

AGAINST:

this resolution is fear based. we embrace personal liberty over political continuity any day, fear based manipulations be damned!

This proposal serves no purpose. It is a weak attempt to force the small countries and regions to adopt a formal government and to force the collapse of dictatorships. I simply can not endorse any idea that would threaten to remove my rule.

See! I knew it! Pay up!

Jinella taps the shoulder of the Royal Guardsman sitting next to her, who grins sheepishly and hands her a solari

- Jinella Agaranth, Acting Ambassador

So, if I may ask, how does this restrict political freedom?

Quite frankly, if a UN delegate of ours, including myself, is killed in an international incident, Liubenia is a very democratic country in regards to political issues and elections. We would elect a new UN delegate that all, or the vast majority to say the least, the country's people want to see representing.

However, this issue brings about a new topic of focus we would like Yelda and associated nations who drafted this proposal to consider. Instead of the leadership of a nation choosing a group of individuals to "fill in" for a deceased UN delegate, we are comfortable with the suggestion of charging a UN committee of sorts be established within all countries that are part of the United Nations. The directors of such a group would be elected by the people, and they would be the ones who would replace any deceased UN delegates.

In respects to the issue at hand, we believe our government should not be responsible for hand picking individuals to represent us on the UN committee. It is, in our eyes, an undemocratic decision on our part.

We are currently against this resolution; However, if it is revised, then perhaps the decision may change.

AGAINST:

this resolution is fear based. we embrace personal liberty over political continuity any day, fear based manipulations be damned!

This man speaks the truth. In a bid to maintain my socialist freedoms and to protect my politicians from harm(:eek: :sniper: ), I vote against the motion. Should worst come to worst the government will decide at the time. Besides, choosing somebody based upon their actions in the present is foolish. Who knows where they will be when the unfortunate event arises. I don't want anybody feeling that they are superior because they have a "UN delegate" attached to their name. Liberty and Equality over fear.

So, if I may ask, how does this restrict political freedom?

Quite frankly, if a UN delegate of ours, including myself, is killed in an international incident, Liubenia is a very democratic country in regards to political issues and elections. We would elect a new UN delegate that all, or the vast majority to say the least, the country's people want to see representing.

However, this issue brings about a new topic of focus we would like Yelda and associated nations who drafted this proposal to consider. Instead of the leadership of a nation choosing a group of individuals to "fill in" for a deceased UN delegate, we are comfortable with the suggestion of charging a UN committee of sorts be established within all countries that are part of the United Nations. The directors of such a group would be elected by the people, and they would be the ones who would replace any deceased UN delegates.

In respects to the issue at hand, we believe our government should not be responsible for hand picking individuals to represent us on the UN committee. It is, in our eyes, an undemocratic decision on our part.

We are currently against this resolution; However, if it is revised, then perhaps the decision may change.


Well, we'll start with the fact that it can't be revised. It has not only already been submitted, but it is at vote. At this point it would need to fail before it can be revised.

As for the rest, you are more than welcome to have your replacements democratically elected by the people. In fact, your government is free to designate the individual(s) in any way that your government or people may wish. If it is decided by some nation that the one to be designated is the next person to offer the nation's leader a suckling pig, then that is their right. there are a few bits in the resolution about qualifications that would need to be cleared up, but you get the idea.

As for forcing every single UN member to accept a democratic solution to your conundrum, that will not fly. There are some of us who are running distinctly non-democratic nations here who would make certain to use every power at our disposal to fight against that level of intrusion into our internal policies. Be satisfied that your nation will be free to choose their replacements in the way that best suits them, and leave the rest of us to do it our way.

Could some one please translate what effect this will have on our nations? If im not mistaken, this whole resolution asks us to change policies that arent even included in this game. are most U.N. resolutions completely pointless, or is this the first?

What a silly resolution! Any semi-intelligent government will have a chain of command in case important leaders get killed. We might as well start passing resolutions that say "We hereby declare that murder should be illegal because if it weren't there'd be high mortality rates and lawlessness."

Doesn't the UN have better things to do than pass things virtually every single government in the world has?

Signed,
Mr. MARSHAL,
Delegate to the UN.

Chain of command? Bah!

We prefer ippy dippy...

As Ardchoilleans, being an obstreperous bunch, have an unending supply of civil, or possibly civic, criminals, and as we are already ranked according to the gravity of our crimes, my nation already has a "chain of command" of miscreants who can be forced to accept the taint of (eewww!) politician and condemned to serve as UN delegates.

We subscribe, too, to the Kivistan Darwinism. Nonetheless, for the sake of our more gormless international brethren, we'll vote for this.

However, what we'd really like to know is (*narrows eyes*) what does Yelda know that they're not telling us? How come they are suddenly so concerned about the UN being subjected to some sort of catastrophe?

Come clean, Yeldans! There's obviously something going on! Give with the inside info!

EDIT: AHA! I have just been handed a note by my sagacious intern, Mlle Avaya Thibaudet, reminding me of certain remarks:

... However, I'd guess that many radicals in nations that were economically damaged by the UN wouldn't mind planting a bomb in the UN HQ.

The thick plottens!
_______________________________

Dicey Reilly, Co-President of Ardchoille.

Frankly, if the David6ian UN delegation dies, since there aren't any other people with enough patience, David6 would resign.

OOC: Re "Through the Looking Glass" by C.S. Lewis page 145Actually, more Ravenloft ;)

So, yeah... in your case a contingency plan would be meaningless.

This seems like a very common sense proposal in terms of securing government stability and continuity, and the case of the SRAD, an establishment of successor for the Dictatorship of the Workers.

A pity this proposal only covers nations' UN delegations, then ...

Although, recalling your post history, you've never before been burdened to read proposals before you vote on them, so why start now?

Lio looked about, figuring now was as good a time as any to stand and speak up.

"Seeing it as common sense to have a backup plan in case of emergency, Crythythia already has measures in place to replace its Ambassadors were one to be... disposed.." He paused a moment, thinking on his own demise which that entailed. "However, we are aware that not all nations within the UN would want to have extra delegates selected, be it because they have a government that holds all power in a single iron fist, or perhaps because they have no government at all. Not wanting to force extra organization upon those nations which would oppose it, Crythythia will abstain from voting, for now."

His piece said, Lio gave a short bow and returned to his seat.

Lio Vandenberg, Crythythian Ambassador to the United Nations

A pity this proposal only covers nations' UN delegations, then ...

Although, recalling your post history, you've never before been burdened to read proposals before you vote on them, so why start now?

Don't you start, I voted for many of your resolutions.

It is a fundamentally undemocratic and singularly self-serving resolution: it exists only to benefit the desk jockeys at the United Nations and not the people of the world. Vote "no" on this resolution!

:sniper:

This resolution, while it's intent is good, is not of any significance. It shrinks the sovereignty of a region/nation.

The United Nations is a place where nations can come together to make the world a better place. While I am aware that a good handling of one's own nation contributes greatly to the overall body of the UN, this resolution does neither. It does not make a nation better, and it does not make the world better.

it only seeks to create more power positions which is unnecssary and if i might say so, it is a total waste of time for us even be debating this. Move on to resolutions that protect those who need to be protected.

Pass resolutions on healthcare, educational aid, financial aid, border control, immigration laws, minimum wages, military cap treaties

not lesgislation on the protection of political positions.

I'm voting nay.

ooc: Yes, my country is based mostly on Ravenloft, I therefore am immortal and attempt to play so. But, I thought most would not be familiar with the refrence, so I attempted to find another that was equally suitable.

Don't be too sure about that. I'm sure someone will find a reason to oppose this, although for the life of me, I can't think of any that would make sense.

The Ithanian representative delegation already has:

Our single concern over this is that Mister Koopman and Mister Ole-Biscuitbarrel aren’t awarded any positions of authority. We’d be greatly pleased to see their ascension to the posts stipulated in previous drafts for their continued service to the general morale of this esteemed body.

You see, the first draft of this proposal, way back when, included a provision whereby the Knootian ambassador to the UN and my assistant, Tarquin Fin-tim-lim-bim-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'tang-F'tang-Ole-Biscuitbarrel (http://www.montypython.art.pl/obrazki/lcmp19-15.jpg), would take the helm here at the UN, to guide it through what would indeed be troubled times. That provision has since been stricken from the proposal. Thus, we can no longer support it.

AGAINST:

this resolution is fear based. we embrace personal liberty over political continuity any day, fear based manipulations be damned!

The Disputed Territories belong to Me. In fact, The Region of Barovia would destroy itself and cease to exist with out my benevolent hand.

1- The thought that anyone else could dare attempt to know and convey my wishes to the assembly is bemusing. Anyone claiming to have authority, besides myself, would be an act of treason.

2- No one is qualified to replace my sovereignty, Therefor this list is made not only unnecessary, but impossible to assemble.

3- I shall be there.

4- No one shall be vested with any authority during my reign.

This proposal serves no purpose. It is a weak attempt to force the small countries and regions to adopt a formal government and to force the collapse of dictatorships. I simply can not endorse any idea that would threaten to remove my rule.

Baron Von Stradh, Sole Ruler of Barovia.
"One for Me, All for Me"

Seems the remnants of Sheik Larebil's personal stash are still circulating among the representatives...

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN


OOC: Re "Through the Looking Glass" by C.S. Lewis page 145


OOC: That was Lewis Carroll, not C.S. Lewis (oh, and a page reference only helps if we're working from the same edition).

It is a fundamentally undemocratic and singularly self-serving resolution: it exists only to benefit the desk jockeys at the United Nations and not the people of the world.

And how exactly do you figure that?

It shrinks the sovereignty of a region/nation.


And how exactly do you figure that?

:sniper:


He's got a gun! Quick, someone defenestrate him!


Christelle Zyryanov,
Ambassador to the United Nations,
PDSRA

Sheik Nadnerb nods to his assistant, Mr. Tarquin Fin-tim-lim-bim-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'tang-F'tang-Ole-Biscuitbarrel (http://www.montypython.art.pl/obrazki/lcmp19-15.jpg), who then procedes to throw the representative of Endless Delirium out the nearest window.

Many thanks. For preserving order and safety in the GA.

Christelle Zyryanov,
Ambassador to the United Nations,
PDSRA

Don't you start, I voted for many of your resolutions.

The fact that you know he wrote them just means that you got as far as the author.

OOC: Many? how many have you written, Kenny?

:sniper:

I must have missed you first post. Friendly suggestion: Nobody here takes those things seriously, they only serve to harm any credibility you might have on the debate floor.

This resolution, while it's intent is good, is not of any significance. It shrinks the sovereignty of a region/nation.

How? Guaranteeing that your UN ambassador has a replacement somehow weakens your government? What?

The United Nations is a place where nations can come together to make the world a better place. While I am aware that a good handling of one's own nation contributes greatly to the overall body of the UN, this resolution does neither. It does not make a nation better,

It improves the odds that the government will be able to have continual representation within the UN. I'd say that's an improvement.

and it does not make the world better.

By increasing the odds that the UN can more continually and regularly have a full cross section of nations represented in legislative efforts in the General Assembly, we will be better able to ensure that the wishes of all nations are best dealt with in our efforts. That would definitely allow us to better the world for all.

it only seeks to create more power positions which is unnecssary and

It doesn't create any power positions at all. It says that you should have replacements lined up to fill the positions you've got. Which is a good idea.

if i might say so, it is a total waste of time for us even be debating this.

Then why did you take the time to come and do just that?

Move on to resolutions that protect those who need to be protected.

You mean like the last few bits of new legislation that were passed and the next one up to vote?

Pass resolutions on healthcare,

Healhcare Certification (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12259544&postcount=196)

educational aid,

UN Educational Aid Act (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11663193&postcount=172)

financial aid,

You're going to have to be more specific than just generic financial aid.

border control,

An internal matter that nations can deal with themselves, although there is Mutual Recognition of Borders (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12131354&postcount=191)

immigration laws,

Again, individual nations can decide for themselves who they let into their nation. There is something dealing with Emigration on deck right after this.

minimum wages,

UN Fair Wage Convention (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12006676&postcount=188)

military cap treaties

This is not a treaty organization, though we have a number of legislations regarding weaponry and tactics, including the Wolfish Convention on POW (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7029659&postcount=32), Banning The Use Of Landmines (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7029857&postcount=41), Children In War (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7030111&postcount=52), The Nuclear Terrorism Act (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7161716&postcount=76), The EON Convention On Genocide (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7680087&postcount=84), Nuclear Armaments (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9384768&postcount=110), UNSA (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9384832&postcount=111), UN Bio-Weapon Ban (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9385142&postcount=114), Nuclear Non Proliferation (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10737951&postcount=152), UNCTI (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11434528&postcount=169), and a few others that I've probably missed.

not lesgislation on the protection of political positions.

Why not? Is it somehow unwise to ensure that a nation has someone ready to handle its international affairs? Is it unwise to already have legislation regarding Diplomatic Immunity (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9875401&postcount=128), then? Are politicians somehow less deserving of protection?

I'm voting nay.

Good for you.

And you lot thought Tarquin never did anything...

:gundge: :mp5: :sniper:

well said.
i concede.

:gundge: :mp5: :sniper:

well said.
i concede.

What? I can't hear you all that well from where you lay on the pavement outside the window.

After considerable discussion and not a little discord amongst the Dashanzi delegation, I hereby place my nation's vote against the resolution at hand. I would like to stress that ours is a tentative and nervous opposition. We find that political stability is a not an inherently desirous state of being and are loath to support moves to institute a default support for the status quo when this may have a negative impact on worthy liberation movements and, yes, revolutions. Witness this body's craven and supine support for the Old Cultural Revolution [* ooc: run with me here, please*] that preceded the current government of Dashanzi.

Yes, perhaps this only deals with the UN delegation, but the post of UN representative is a powerful position, symbolically, and we feel that it is substantive enough to warrant further investigation rather than arbitrary UN endorsement.

This has not by any means been an easy decision to make and we trust the UN masses will empathise with our decision.

Benedictions,

OOC: Many? how many have you written, Kenny?
OOC: Remember Kenny's got something like three failed repeals in his name

*snip*You do realize, of course, that in the event of Glorious Revolution, a nation's UN delegation and can be recalled and replaced, just as easily as it would be under this legislation? Nothing here restrains a nation's right to change its government, and by extension, its international representation.

OOC: Remember Kenny's got something like three failed repeals in his nameTwo defeated repeals, two defeated proposals. I'm an equal opportunity failure.

You do realize, of course, that in the event of Glorious Revolution, a nation's UN delegation and can be recalled and replaced, just as easily as it would be under this legislation? Nothing here restrains a nation's right to change its government, and by extension, its international representation.
On the contrary, the existing government, regardless of its merits, will maintain a voice in the UN HQ until 'regime change' is fully enacted.

I do not deny that our position seems contrary. Indeed, our objections are lodged with caution. Nonetheless, the resolution is ultimately unnecessary according to the majority view of Dashanzi's governing council and we regard the goal of political continuity sufficiently philosophically troublesome to merit some nay-saying.

Benedictions,

Two defeated repeals, two defeated proposals. I'm an equal opportunity failure.

There's at least one (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10394932&postcount=145) to go in the W column, and it was one that couldn't have happened without some definite effort and skill on the author's part.

On the contrary, the existing government, regardless of its merits, will maintain a voice in the UN HQ until 'regime change' is fully enacted.There's not really a whole lot the UN can do about that, unless you want to write a resolution forcing the United Nations to recognize only the delegations from national revolution movements and turn away all others.

Your position "seems" contrary because it is so. You're not so much opposed to the resolution as you are to its title and category.

After discussions with the members of the Fine Yeldan Delegation(TM), and coming to a very benificial decision, the Palentine wishes to announce its support of this resolution.
Excelsior,
Sen. Horatio Sulla

On the contrary, the existing government, regardless of its merits, will maintain a voice in the UN HQ until 'regime change' is fully enacted.

Only if the nation's new government has its head up its arse.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Only if the nation's new government has its head up its arse.

Well, for reference,

You're not so much opposed to the resolution as you are to its title and category.

There might be something to what the Sheik and Fenanda (ooc:?) say.

There might be something to what the Sheik and Fenanda (ooc:?) say.[OOC: Assume it was Chiang. It's usually her when the subject is international security or related topics.]

By removing some political freedoms from others, or restricting them, as supporters might say, is adhering to the will of the terrorists. their goal is to remove our freedoms, and the UN, by trying to pass this Continuity of government, which restricts political freedoms, is unwittingly falling right into the hands of the terrorists. I vote against this and encourage others to do likewise.

We are happy to offer our support for this fine Yeldan resolution. We find now flaws in this resolution, and we find ourselves aligned with its purpose. Thank you for another good one, Yelda.

Rep. Jules Hodz
Akimonadian UN Representative.

I must have missed you first post. Friendly suggestion: Nobody here takes those things seriously, they only serve to harm any credibility you might have on the debate floor.
:( :sniper:

Pew, pew.

:( :sniper:

Pew, pew.


OOC: You're going to do so well around here... :rolleyes:

I think he was trying to be ironic, or something. Couldn't say for sure, though.

We suspect his irony was insufficiently ferrous.

Back on the serious debate, and can someone please stop my secretary from laughing so loudly while we speak, we fear that we find the briefly made argument for Darwinistic principles to be applied more attractive than a short piece of instruction that lacks even the charms of an unnecessarily bureacratic committee. It happens to make little difference to the Gobbannaen delegation, as we do have well-defined and long-established procedures for the replacement of deceased royalty, an occurance that was at one time all too frequent.

By removing some political freedoms from others, or restricting them, as supporters might say, is adhering to the will of the terrorists. their goal is to remove our freedoms, and the UN, by trying to pass this Continuity of government, which restricts political freedoms, is unwittingly falling right into the hands of the terrorists. I vote against this and encourage others to do likewise.

I can't say I haven't seen this type of crap enough in my (mainly) observing here at the UN. Obviously, you're free to have your own opinion, but who's to say that any "terrorists" actually exist in NS? This is not real life, and it cheeses me off when n00bs try to apply RL in the UN. It won't work.

their [The Terrorists'] goal is to remove our freedoms, and the UN, by trying to pass this Continuity of government, which restricts political freedoms, is unwittingly falling right into the hands of the terrorists.

Now, back up a minute. Explain how this resolution, which establishes a line of succession for the UN reps and delegates, has anything to do with restricting political freedoms? What freedoms are oppressed?

And "falling into the hands of the terrorists"? Where do they play into this, aside from perhaps being an activation cause for this line of succession that has been created. Obviously, your argument leaves much to be desired.

In my mind, this an excellent, unique resolution, one that I haven't seen in a long time.

The opening line gives away the underlying intent:
"A resolution to restrict political freedoms in the interest of law and order."

Doesn't that say enough?

To compromise political freedoms for the sake of "law and order" does not a democracy make. Were it not for the political freedoms our people enjoy, our capitalist paradise would not survive. The Borderlands of Moghrainia therefore, has no choice but to oppose this resolution--no matter how watered down the language of the main body is.

Member nations of the UN should be intelligent and competent enough to make these most simplistic of decisions on their own. What is the next step; to have the UN come through and review each nation's list to make sure they approve of the order of succession?

yet, another rediculous resolution.

:( :sniper:

Pew, pew.

"Pew, is right," said Bob while holding his nose. "Someone open a window the delegate from Agerias just expelled some flatus and boy is it ripe."

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

The opening line gives away the underlying intent:
"A resolution to restrict political freedoms in the interest of law and order."

Doesn't that say enough?

To compromise political freedoms for the sake of "law and order" does not a democracy make. <snip>

First, welcome to the UN, and make sure you take advantage of your introductory free drink in the Strangers' Bar.

Second, the proposal said that because it had to say that. Proposals have to be put in categories. The way the category is described stays the same no matter who is writing the proposal. So the writer of this proposal had to say it was "a resolution to restrict political freedoms in the interest of law and order" because that's the way the category "Political Stability" is worded.

This post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8913218&postcount=2) probably won't make it totally clear -- many a delegate's been driven to drink over the "category" issue -- but it's official, so it should at least give you the terms.

On your other point -- "Member nations of the UN should be intelligent and competent enough to make these most simplistic of decisions on their own" -- your phrasing is perceptive: should be, yes; are, another matter altogether.

And while we're on the subject of "shoulds" -- I still think the Yeldans should give us a Fine Yeldan (TM) Answer (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12293218&postcount=43).
___________________

Dicey Reilly, Co-President of Ardchoille.

I have voted this proposal down against a vast majority. My reasons? Any sensible democratic nation would make its own arrangements to ensure order despite any calamity. A government without the foresight to take these measures on it's own does neither require nor deserve direction from the United Nations to do so. Alternatively, some UN member nations may wish to allow the possibility of revolution to preserve the spirit of true democracy should corruption and bureaucratic entrenchment ensnare the current government in power. Also, this is all just a computer program. One that follows very strict rules. None of those rules allow for a sudden collapse of government due to some nameless disaster, so the very point of this proposal is essentially moot. Moot, I say!

:headbang: The OCB

And while we're on the subject of "shoulds" -- I still think the Yeldans should give us a Fine Yeldan (TM) Answer (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12293218&postcount=43).
___________________

Dicey Reilly, Co-President of Ardchoille.
I can assure Co-President Reilly that we know of no impending catastrophe about to strike the UN. Think of this Resolution as an insurance policy. Nobody buys a homeowner's policy thinking that their house will burn down. Insurance is really just a waste of time...until the time comes that it is needed.

Aüþgæþ Spøtyiú
Ambassador

I have voted this proposal down against a vast majority. My reasons? Any sensible democratic nation would make its own arrangements to ensure order despite any calamity. A government without the foresight to take these measures on it's own does neither require nor deserve direction from the United Nations to do so. Alternatively, some UN member nations may wish to allow the possibility of revolution to preserve the spirit of true democracy should corruption and bureaucratic entrenchment ensnare the current government in power. Also, this is all just a computer program. One that follows very strict rules. None of those rules allow for a sudden collapse of government due to some nameless disaster, so the very point of this proposal is essentially moot. Moot, I say!

:headbang: The OCB

Lio rolled his eyes, "I would like to remind the representative from Central Bureaucracy that democracies are not the only form of government that exist within the UN. Therefore you reasoning is, as you'd say, moot. The UN can not act purely in the interest of preserving democracy as that would be in direct conflict with a large portion of its population. This measure exists to preserve the UN as a body. Voting it down because the countries "should be sensible enough to do it on their own" is just being a bigot."

Having said his very unauthorized and brazen opinion, Lio took his seat once again. He smirked to himself as he looked about at the other representatives. One of these days, he was totally going to be voted out of office. Until then, he could at least have fun with it.


Lio Vandenberg, Crythythian Ambassador to the United Nations

I can assure Co-President Reilly that we know of no impending catastrophe about to strike the UN. Think of this Resolution as an insurance policy. Nobody buys a homeowner's policy thinking that their house will burn down. Insurance is really just a waste of time...until the time comes that it is needed.

Aüþgæþ Spøtyiú
Ambassador

Yeah, but ... you don't insure against, say, an invasion by giant pandas in fawn polyester trousers. You insure against plausible threats. And usually something prompts you to do it.

So, if nothing specific prompted this particular proposal and its timing, we are going to have to go with the unspecifics. Like, say, precognition. Tapping into the collective unconscious ...

We thank the Yeldan delegation for this inadvertently timely warning, have assigned our best pre-cogs to follow it up and urge nations that rely on more mundane methods of intelligence gathering to share any UN-disaster-related findings with the General Secretary's office. Or possibly the Building Management. Urgently.

Yeah, but ... you don't insure against, say, an invasion by giant pandas in fawn polyester trousers. You insure against plausible threats. And usually something prompts you to do it.


You're saying that it is unreasonable to assume that there might be something that could happen to any member of any of the UN delegations?

I was thinking along the lines of disease or old age, but it would stand to reason that any group or individual that might have something against any particular nation might consider targetting their international representative here at the UN. I would further stand to reason that, were such an attack on a single member carried out in the UN building, that other ambassadors could be caught in the crossfire.

These are plausible, are they not? And witnessing the execution of Sheik Larebil in the GA could easily prompt anyone to realize that security is sometimes lax and that further measures could be taken to protect the interests of member nations.

<snip>And witnessing the execution of Sheik Larebil in the GA could easily prompt anyone to realize that security is sometimes lax and that further measures could be taken to protect the interests of member nations.

You think that's all it is? Just a generalised uneasiness? Well, you may be right ... all the same, it probably wouldn't hurt to have the UN's security measures reviewed. And maybe the Strangers' Bar should start serving Freedom Fries again.

Oh, yeah, and we should vote for this proposal, too, also, just to make sure.
___________________

Dicey Reilly, Co-President of Ardchoille.

Mikeswill's position: AGAINST

We do not believe that it is the UN's business that we as a Region determine shall replace any future vacancy of the UN Ambassadorship and shall reserve our Regional Sovereign Right to determine such person at the time of said vacancy.

Should this ludicrous Resolution pass we shall submit Mickey Mouse as the appropriate official for this fairy tale democratic organization.

The Mikes Hope Essence of Mikeswill
UN Delegate
NationStates Region

I have of course voted FOR this worthy proposal.

Roderick Spear
UN Ambassador for Paradica

I have voted FOR.

We see no serious issue with this proposal, and find it rather harmless and interesting. Of course, we already have hundreds of backup delegations (that's the nature of bureacracy- always prepare, in triplicate!).

Of course, should we find it necessary to make a statement, it is always a possibility that our "emergency" delegation will be made up of convicted felons and psychopaths.

Rang Erman
Advisor
Ambassador Pro Tempore

Yeah, but ... you don't insure against, say, an invasion by giant pandas in fawn polyester trousers. You insure against plausible threats. And usually something prompts you to do it.Yeah well, if you knew how many assassination attempts, building fires, bomb threats, mutant attacks, zombie uprisings, and other gennerally bad stuff we've stopped just within the last 24 hours, you'd be too scared to come within 200 miles of the building.

So, if nothing specific prompted this particular proposal and its timing, we are going to have to go with the unspecifics. Like, say, precognition. Tapping into the collective unconscious ...Or they hacked the private database that stores our Maintence of Order Department Squads mission logs.

We thank the Yeldan delegation for this inadvertently timely warning, have assigned our best pre-cogs to follow it up and urge nations that rely on more mundane methods of intelligence gathering to share any UN-disaster-related findings with the General Secretary's office. Or possibly the Building Management. Urgently.

We'll gladly accept any information you may have on possible threats to the building or it's occupants.

Patrick O'Neil
Head of the Maintence of Order Department
UN Building Management

I was thinking along the lines of disease or old age, but it would stand to reason that any group or individual that might have something against any particular nation might consider targetting their international representative here at the UN.Or Vermi (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Tindalos/UN/Verm.jpg) might sneeze.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Tindalos/UN/doctor.jpg
Doctor Denis Leary
Ambassador to the UN
The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

Or Vermi (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Tindalos/UN/Verm.jpg) might sneeze.



That reminds me. I need to get my asbestos suit back from the tailor.

Mikeswill's position: AGAINST

We do not believe that it is the UN's business that we as a Region determine shall replace any future vacancy of the UN Ambassadorship and shall reserve our Regional Sovereign Right to determine such person at the time of said vacancy.

Did you try reading the resolution carefully before you got all hot and bothered about it? Just which paragraph puts any requirements on regions? Where in the resolution are regions even mentioned?

Should this ludicrous Resolution pass we shall submit Mickey Mouse as the appropriate official for this fairy tale democratic organization.

Good. Maybe he can read.

Travilia E. Thwerdock
Ambassador to the United Nations

Yeah well, if you knew how many assassination attempts, building fires, bomb threats, mutant attacks, zombie uprisings, and other gennerally bad stuff we've stopped just within the last 24 hours, you'd be too scared to come within 200 miles of the building.



Mutants? Zombies? Meh! IME, the irate husbands of attractive secretaries are a greater threat to the lives of UN dignitaries.

IME, the irate husbands of attractive secretaries are a greater threat to the lives of UN dignitaries.


I, of course, have no idea what the representative from Sirat could be talking about...

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Nor I, I believe it's common knowledge that my secretary is single.

Flash Blonde.

A clean shaven older man, looking rather disgruntled at being clean shaven, and wearing a freshly pressed naval uniform bearing the insignia of an Admiral, approaches the Kivistan delegation and hands Oskar a slip of paper.

Oskar takes a moment to read what it says.

"Ladies and Gentlemen. You'll have to forgive my sudden departure, but there are some pressing matters back home that I must attend to. I'd like to introduce Admiral Rusty Shackleford, who will be standing in for me until such time as I can return."

Oskar quickly gathers his things and whispers a few things to Admiral Shackleford before hastily departing the General Assembly Hall.

"Right. Now that he's gone, where were we? Something about secretaries. Your secretaries are safe. Ye've got more to worry about in the area of your liquor cabinet from me. What are we looking at here, anyways? Continuity of Government? Great. Yeah, I glanced over this one. I just demonstrated the usefulness of it in non-fatal circumstances.

What are the issues people are having with it? It's not necessary? Fine. What's it going to hurt you, though? If you're afraid that having a line of succession is going to imperil your ambassador, then prehaps your internal issues are great enough that you should consider getting those worked out before you concern yourself with international affairs."

Yeah well, if you knew how many assassination attempts, building fires, bomb threats, mutant attacks, zombie uprisings, and other gennerally bad stuff we've stopped just within the last 24 hours, you'd be too scared to come within 200 miles of the building.

Sen. Sulla perks up when he hears this and says,
"Old Boy, if you need some updated firepower to help with the situation, I can probally get you a good deal from Imperial Palentine Amalgamated Arms(TM). I believe they've got a special on CZ-75's and Ma Deuces this week."

Yeah well, if you knew how many assassination attempts, building fires, bomb threats, mutant attacks, zombie uprisings, and other gennerally bad stuff we've stopped just within the last 24 hours, you'd be too scared to come within 200 miles of the building.

Hearing the words "zombie uprising," Lio looked about rather nervously. He grumbled to himself. "I knew we should have placed some sort of restrictions on the brain snacking zombies.."

He grumbled to himself. "I knew we should have placed some sort of restrictions on the brain snacking zombies.."

"Brain snacking zombies?" In the United Nations? But wouldn't they starve to death here? I mean I don't think there any brains at all in this General Assembly!

Meanwhile ... somewhere other than here.

"Pinky, are you thinking what I'm thinking?"

"Pinky, are you thinking what I'm thinking?"

OOC: I think so, Brain, but where are we going to get leiderhosen at this hour?

The State of Arabia opposes this resolution. it is unnesecary, pointless, and a waste of NSUN debate time.

- President bin 'Isa, Chief Ambassador to the NSUN

Hearing the words "zombie uprising," Lio looked about rather nervously. He grumbled to himself. "I knew we should have placed some sort of restrictions on the brain snacking zombies.."

OOC: I wouldn't worry too much, they're probably referring to the occasional dead thread rising from the grave.

We do not believe that it is the UN's business that we as a Region determine shall replace any future vacancy of the UN Ambassadorship and shall reserve our Regional Sovereign Right to determine such person at the time of said vacancy.


Ambassador Zyryanov (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Christelle_Zyryanov) sighed, stood, walked over to the main door of the General Assembly hall, and hammered a sign onto the door.

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/2774/unwarningqf4.jpg

"Of course," she muttered as she returned to her seat, "if they can't read the sign either..."

Chairman of the Committee for State Security, Felix Edmundovich Dzerzhinsky strides down the main aisle of the General Assembly followed by a phalanx of Robotic Destructor Bunnies™ and a pair of CSS agents carrying large wreath-wrapped portraits of Aram Koopman and Tarquin Fin-tim-lim-bim-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'tang-F'tang-Ole-Biscuitbarrel.

He approaches the podium while removing a sheet of paper from an inside pocket of his full-length leather trench coat. He clears his throat and begins reading from what is apparently a prepared statement.

"Friends, colleagues and those about to be defenestrated, it gives me great pleasure to address you on this day as we celebrate the passage of United Nations Resolution #197 'Continuity of Government'. As most of you are aware, the Yeldan UN delegation labored for many months over the drafting of this document. During my own tenure as head of the delegation, the passage of this legislation was considered to be of the utmost importance.

Now we may all rest easy, knowing that the future survival of the NSUN is safe in the hands of the United Nations Emergency Preparedness Committee, headed by the esteemed Mssrs. Koopman and Ole-Biscuitbarrel.

Unfortunately, during the course of the debate, unsavoury elements have chosen to marr these proceedings by leveling scurrilous charges such as "ridiculous" and "unnecessary" at this worthy piece of UN legislation. I am left with no choice but to deal with this matter forthwith and shall do so using the most efficient and expedient method available to modern man. Without further ado, I give you the Defenestratinator V.1"

*a large, hulking black piece of machinery (apparently steam powered) lumbers into the General Assembly hall. Painted on its side, in Yeldan and English, is the word "Defenestratinator V.1". It is manned by a crew of Destructor Bunnies in little black uniforms*

"Right. Now then, the entire UN staffs of the following delegations will be loaded into the device and defenestrated immediately":

Ashekelon
Von Stradh
Liubenia
Enakssieg
The Spawn of Zedd
Agerias
David6
Totem Lake
Endless Delirium
Dashanzi
Acadamium
Moghrainia
Central Bureaucracy
Mikeswill
Huseini Arabia

I am left with no choice but to deal with this matter forthwith and shall do so using the most efficient and expedient method available to modern man. Without further ado, I give you the Defenestratinator V.1"

*a large, hulking black piece of machinery (apparently steam powered) lumbers into the General Assembly hall. Painted on its side, in Yeldan and English, is the word "Defenestratinator V.1". It is manned by a crew of Destructor Bunnies in little black uniforms*

After watching the procedings with great amusement and awe, Sen. Sulla clears his throat, stands semi-reverently and raises his glass of Wild Turkey(TM).
"I see congratulations are in order, old boy. I'm pleased to see that you completed the automated defenestrator. Heres to you, mate!"

*Sen. Sulla drains the glass in one gulp*

Last UN Decision
The resolution Continuity Of Government was passed 7,909 votes to 3,752, and implemented in all UN member nations.

Well, it makes no difference now who was for or against. Congrats are due to Yelda and those who worked to get this passed as law. Good job.

Congrats to the Yeldan delegation for the passage of this resolution. Further congrats to Ole Biscuit Barrel and Koopman. Say, do you need to wait for an emergency to restaff all the committees, or would a simple threat suffice? I'm just curious.


OOC: How the hell did I not see that before. I do that to almost everyone else's posts, but I didn't think to do it to the proposal. Genius boy, absolute genius.

ooc question..... I have been "defenestrated".... what does that mean?

IC:
Although I see no need for this piece of legislation, I am a man of honor and will attempt to follow the new rules as both written and intended.

1) In the unlikely event I find myself unable to attend these..... amusing debates, I hereby designate the Head of Muldero as a temporary acting ambassador. Furthermore, upon my vacancy, once verified by my staff, grant her full authority to act in this aforementioned capacity until my inevitable return.

2) A list, though brief and currently only containing the one delegate previously mentioned, of all individuals qualified to represent our region, will be maintained at each and every embassy, of which only one currently exist.

3) Upon my absence, Muldero will be notified immediately, pending verification by my staff, and all necessary access will be granted at that time.

4) This change will remain permanent until my return.

I again, thank the assembly for listening to my dissent, and I eagerly await my opportunity to vote against this weak, and poorly constructed resolution when it comes before us again in repeal.

Lord Von Stradh
Sole Ruler of The Disputed Territories of Von Stradh
Ambassador to the NSUN, for the Desolate Lands of Barovia.

i comply

i comply

OOC: That really should be the last word on any resolution, shouldn't it? Pity Ardchoilleans never know when to shut up.

IC: We congratulate the Yeldan delegation on the successful passage of this resolution, but, regretfully, must also deplore their insensitivity in defenestrating inexperienced delegates, towards whom, we feel, a kindly and avuncular tolerance would be more appropriate. (Unless, of course, they're young enough to enjoy it.)

We suspect that much of this hard-line attitude can be ascribed to the influence of their new cultural attache, Mr Bari Devæno ...
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Dicey Reilly, President of Ardchoille.

We would like to congratulate the Yeldan representatives on their crafting of this legislation, even though we ourselves did not see the need for it.

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We find ourselves considerably tempted to find out if there is anything PICKER would not comply with.

The Free Lands of Krioval congratulate the People's Democratic Republic of Yelda for their fine resolution.

We find ourselves considerably tempted to find out if there is anything PICKER would not comply with.

While it may be a bit cheeky for me to say so, I would believe that His Majesty the Lord Serph would be able to formulate a few such actions, though there is no telling what things are considered acceptable in foreign lands.

Ambassador Jevo Telovar-kan

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OOC: You can stop. I've sigged you so you don't have to bother posting this over and over again.

ooc question..... I have been "defenestrated".... what does that mean?OOC: You've been thrown out the window, and if you're lucky someone opened it first.

We find ourselves considerably tempted to find out if there is anything PICKER would not comply with.Well, considering that PICKER didn't post that they complied with the recently defeated "Nuclear Responsibility" I'd say it's safe to assume that they don't comply with failed resolutions.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

OOC: You can stop. I've sigged you so you don't have to bother posting this over and over again.OOC: Considering that PICKER's sole purpose is to come here and post the same thing over and over I don't think they have read or will read your sig.

ooc question..... I have been "defenestrated".... what does that mean?You've been chucked out a window (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestration_of_prague).

OOC: Thrown out a window? what? no saving throw?

IC: This type of behavior among those who are in control of many lives and who have been given the power to dictate the actions of others is implorable. Too set such an example of behavior, in what has otherwise been a civilized proceeding, is disruptive and unnecessary.

I, for one, have no real concern to the treatment of others. But, when it comes to myself, I will not allow myself to be treated in such away. May I take this time to inform the others, that actions such as this, against the delegates sent to represent the Lands of Barovia, will be seen as acts of war, and the respective nations involved will be treated as such.

Baron Von Stradh, the Hostile.

OOC: Thrown out a window? what? no saving throw?Much like many of Grimtooth's Traps, you don't get a saving throw against Felix. Sorry.

May I take this time to inform the others, that actions such as this, against the delegates sent to represent the Lands of Barovia, will be seen as acts of war, and the respective nations involved will be treated as such.Defenestrations have become rather common in these halls, it would be best to take the throw and move on; especially as you're an immortal. Furthermore, calling for war would be a most unwise course of action. Many of the nations here have standing armies the outnumber your entire population; something to keep in mind.

Besides, how are you going to invade when the Powers lock you in your realm?


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Vermithrax Pejorative
UN Observer
The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

Mr. Tarquin Fin-tim-lim-bim-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'tang-F'tang-Ole-Biscuitbarrel takes a moment from the celebration going on in honour of DEFCON Day (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=517432) to run over and hurl Baron Von Stradh through the nearest window. He then goes back to enjoying the festivities.

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[Brigadier Tankhurst walks over and peers through what's left of the window at the sprawled form of the representative who has "no real concern to the treatment of others". He turns to the Cluichstani and nods approvingly.]

"Nice toss, Biscuit-face".

Congratulations to the fine Yeldan delegation on the passage of Continuity of Government.

Dahlia Dioce
UN Representative
Queendom of Karmicaria

Congrats on this passing.

Roderick Spear
UN Ambassador for Paradica
No Longer UN Delegate of No Longer Charis

OOC: Thrown out a window? what? no saving throw?

IC: This type of behavior among those who are in control of many lives and who have been given the power to dictate the actions of others is implorable. Too set such an example of behavior, in what has otherwise been a civilized proceeding, is disruptive and unnecessary.

I, for one, have no real concern to the treatment of others. But, when it comes to myself, I will not allow myself to be treated in such away. May I take this time to inform the others, that actions such as this, against the delegates sent to represent the Lands of Barovia, will be seen as acts of war, and the respective nations involved will be treated as such.

Baron Von Stradh, the Hostile.

Eh, quit your whining. At least the GA is on the lower floors of the building, as evidenced by the UN Building Directory (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/UN_Headquarters).

Bob Flibble
UN Representative