NationStates Jolt Archive


UNplugged: the Strangers Bar.

Ardchoille
28-01-2007, 07:09
The leader of Ardchoille's UN delegation, Dicey Reilly, has been copping flak from her national bean-counters over the size of her Strangers' Bar bill. Luckily, all Ardchoilleans are push-overs for Academia, so she told them she had been doing research for a paper.

Ah, they said, then where have you published? And when did you submit it for peer review?

Consequently, and to keep Dicey honest ... peers, please review.

The BarLordian Conventions

1. No Weapons. You can bring them in, but they will turn into something else, owing to the weird and unreliable Acme machinery Neville the Barlord constantly orders from catalogues.

2. No killings. If you kill anyone, one of the bar staff will turn on the alternate timeline machine (Acme's, of course) that will switch you to a timeline where it didn't happen. This upsets people's innards and is therefore frowned upon.

3. No (obvious) bodyguards. Please leave them in the poker-machine room just off the Bar, where the pretty lights will keep them amused (Bahgum's Mother-In-Laws are an exception, because no-one but Sir Albert can do anything with them anyway. If you meet them, throw them a knitting-pattern and run.)

4. No explicit sex (as per usual RP guidelines). The Bar does not have any regular purveyors of negotiable affection in attendance, nor does it have any short-term-hire rooms, though some patrons live in rooms on the upper floors, as in a regular Club. It does have a portal to Mme Zamunda's House of Wonders, a meeting-place for powerful courtesans, members of the demi-monde and shrewd spymasters. CPESL employees are, of course, welcome anywhere.

5. Food can be ordered at the bar, or delegates can adjourn to the dining-room, presided over by Dazza, the Australian-fusion-cuisine chef (thanks to a generous donation by former Prince, now King, Byron of Venerable Libertarians).

6. Every alcoholic beverage known to NSkind can be obtained at the Bar.

6(a). Watch the tea. It brings on dreadful outbreaks of lovey-doveyness and one tea-drinking delegate ended up with twins.

7. Please be considerate of the Kawaiian shrine (that thing like a birdhouse at one end of the bar). Try not to go on too much about things that are Cute, such as kitties, puppies, lambies and babies, as this may lead to a manifestation of the Cute One.

8: Please, except in desperate emergencies, do not use the Frying-Pan that hangs above the mantlepiece near the fireplace, beside which stands a battered rocking-chair that irreverent members of the UN sometimes go to sleep in, but reverent members eschew, on the grounds that it's Komokom's and One Day He Will Return. Lost Nations' inscribed pewter tankards hang behind the Bar, for the same reason.

9. Messages can be conveyed to patrons by leaving flyers about, pinning them on the noticeboard, writing them in magical letters of fire on the air or anything else that takes your fancy. (However, excessive use of magic is seen as rather gauche.)

10. Brawling is encouraged and enjoyed, but Neville appreciates it if you give him time to pull the metal shutters over the big mirrors behind the bar. Please open the window before you defenestrate.

11. Games of all kinds take place smoothly wherever patrons choose to play them. This, regrettably, includes karaoke.

12. Please respect other players' characters. All bar staff can be represented as doing ordinary bar staff things, such as serving drinks, wiping tables or chattering inconsequentially. Neville is a "tied" character (only Ardchoille's player knows what he's thinking or doing); Violet has a politely acerbic personality but is generally usable, just don't make her too sweet; and Jimmy is the generic (part-time) barman, usable for any RP purpose, though do remember that he will probably spill anything confidential to the Drae Nei rep. Other bar staff may appear as members invent them.

BUT a nation's characters are its own. You can't even have, say, Ausserland's Old Baldy nod in agreement; Auss might not agree with you. But you can have, "Old Baldy seemed to nod; Pxtlfzsk hoped it was in agreement." Then, if Auss wants, he can just say that Old Baldy had nodded sleepily and hoped the wretched kid hadn't taken it for agreement, because he in fact thought what she had said was the greatest load of (etc) ...

13. The proceedings of the General Assembly are assumed to be broadcast on video-monitors or any other appropriate technology. They are, however, largely irrelevant to what goes on in the Bar. Debate it in the GA, duke it out in the Bar.

14. TIME in the Bar is nothing like what is laughingly called Real Time, possibly due to all the portals, Acme machines, twisted sisters, etc. Once characters enter the Bar, they stay there until their biographer writes them leaving the Bar. Yet delegates may be in the Bar and addressing the General Assembly at the same time. (In one corner sits a cobwebbed lump that is the East Hackney delegate, who hasn't left since the Bar opened). The effect of this chronorrhea is that delegates sometimes reply smoothly to a conversational gambit that was offered months ago. So what? The Bar is not a chat room. (It is, however, temporally stable enough for the Tardis to navigate arrivals).

15: APPEARANCE of the Bar: clearly set out in the Ancient Posts, but overlaid since then with the perceptions of many, many beings, including those responsible for the pole-dancing equipment. Assume that if you' ve seen it in a pub, it's in the Bar somewhere.

16. Free drinks and doughnuts for all Mods in uniform, 24/7. Mods in civvies take their chances.

(Newcomers: These are not, of course, NS rules or mod-given rules. The Bar is an extended roleplay and its only genuine rules are the rules that govern any NS RP or thread post.

Not actually submitted, but certainly mulled over in passing, by members of UNOG.)
HotRodia
28-01-2007, 18:35
I'd like to at least put a link to this in the first post of the Stranger's Bar. Any objections?
Frisbeeteria
28-01-2007, 20:16
I'd prefer to see a link to the original topic in here, and have this one take over as the quasi-official thread. Perhaps even close the Enodian original. It's time for a new start.
Allech-Atreus
28-01-2007, 20:26
A new Stranger's Bar thread?
Karmicaria
28-01-2007, 21:14
Fris has a good idea. This should be the new Stranger's Bar thread.
Ardchoille
29-01-2007, 01:48
This is all about the doughnuts, isn't it, Fris? C'mon, not even the Mod Integrity Commission would see that as a bribe ...

My intentions for this were fairly modest. I thought folk would chip in with suggestions, I'd modify the Conventions as needed and then I'd make a link to the modified post in my sig.

Hotrod's idea caught me by surprise, but didn't sound bad, but this ... have you even thought about how much redecorating costs these days? I mean, it's not just the price of paint and new curtains, it's the disruption!

But, yeah, I can see that closing off the original and starting a new one might be a good thing -- do very long threads cause Jolt problems? I guess if it had one of its hiccups there'd be less confusion if there were fewer posts to muddle up. Is that the thinking?

A-A, if you're worried about whether the Bar would survive the opening of a new thread -- it'll survive as long as it's worth it, and when it's not, it shouldn't. Look at General's new Paradise Beach (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494746&highlight=Paradise+Beach).

If you go ahead with this, though, mods, would you please consider archiving the old thread? Several people are developing storylines at the moment and ongoing characters sometimes link to previous events. Besides, there are a lot of earlier characters (some now modly, and no longer prone to antics involving circuses and pianos) in there whom it would be sad to lose.

Not to mention the Nic Mac Fleegle.

Meanwhile, any thoughts on the text?
Omigodtheykilledkenny
29-01-2007, 02:12
I would actually favor allowing Ardchoille to start a new IC Strangers' Bar thread, so we can reserve this one for OOC comments: 1) since that's what this thread is already shaping into, and also 2) to prevent, uhhhh, cluttering up the actual roleplayed stuff.
Yelda
29-01-2007, 02:22
Is there some technical reason for needing a new Stranger's Bar thread? If not, why do we want/need one? The Bar is historical. It is a UN Forum institution and even though I'm not a bar regular, I find it sort of comforting that it's always been there.
Ardchoille
29-01-2007, 02:39
Onya, Yelda, you always get to the heart of the matter. I feel the same way, it's just that I figured the planet was about to be made into a freeway anyway.

If the decision is to start a new thread, the version of my first post that we finally come up with would make a reasonable intro post, I guess.

But I think it would be better to have an official opening. With speeches. .

(Now, if that thought doesn't discourage Fris, he must have a real reason for the idea.)
Omigodtheykilledkenny
29-01-2007, 03:26
Is there some technical reason for needing a new Stranger's Bar thread? If not, why do we want/need one? The Bar is historical. It is a UN Forum institution and even though I'm not a bar regular, I find it sort of comforting that it's always been there.I didn't want a new thread, either, but if that's what everyone wants, we should make a clean one instead, since this thread is already cluttered as it is. Maybe rename the old one "The United Nations Strangers' Bar Part I" and call the new one "The United Nations Strangers' Bar Part II"?

Whatever.
Krioval
29-01-2007, 03:54
I don't have a strong opinion, but I think starting a new thread to carry on the Strangers (is there an official spelling?) Bar might attract newcomers who are a bit scared of the OMG 5000+ post thread - even though many of the posts are not directly relevant to the current goings-on in the Bar, that may not be apparent to those trying to get a better feel for things.

I do tend to be a bit of an iconoclast, and as such don't like arguments like "it's an institution" or "it's the way it's always been done" on their own. Certainly, if something works well in its current manner, that's fine. But if it can be modified to include improvements, that should also be taken into consideration. In any case, it's not the biggest object on my NS radar at the moment.
Ardchoille
29-01-2007, 05:24
Look, I never intended this to be an alternative to the Strangers' Bar. Nor was it an OOC-comment-thread version thereof. It was just a mildly joking response to a couple of TGs I got in which people were a little doubtful about how to conduct themselves in the Bar ("drunk" and "loud" spring to mind, but that's another topic).

If the decision is that the Strangers' Bar needs a new thread, fine. I can start one, or Fris can start one, or anyone who's signed in can start one, and they can copy the BarLordian Conventions as the first post -- (blanket permission to copy the Conventions) -- then carry on IC. Or copy the original Strangers' Bar first post, copy the "rules" post, and then go IC.

Or I can link to it in my sig, or other regulars can, and keep on as we are in the old one. No worries, mate.

In the long run, the mods will decide whether to shelve the original one, just as they were the ones who decided to unsticky it. And enough of them are roleplayers to be sure they wouldn't clutter it up with OOC stuff, especially when it would be so much easier to just start a new thread, so I don't think you need worry about that angle, Kenny. (Yeah, I know that wasn't how Fris suggested doing it, but it's not a "letter of the law" vs "any reasonable nation" debate, and I'm assuming he'd come out as reasonable.)

I know people will have an opinion on the new thread/old thread issue, and (though I hadn't expected it to come up) fine, let's have at it.

But, in the meantime, are the "rules" right? Have I forgotten anything? Does anyone disagree deeply and fervently with any of the content of the first post in this thread? Please, pretend it's a proposal, or something, and critique!
The Most Glorious Hack
29-01-2007, 05:46
the Strangers (is there an official spelling?) BarGrammatically, it should be: Strangers' Bar.
Yelda
29-01-2007, 06:15
Please, pretend it's a proposal, or something, and critique!
Ah! OK, just a couple of things then.
1. No Weapons. You can bring them in, but they will turn into something else, owing to the weird and unreliable Acme machinery Neville the Barlord constantly orders from catalogues.
This has been (inadvertently) breached a couple of times. Cobdenia had Snoopy fly his Sopwith Kennel directly into the Bar. The Kennel was armed with twin Vickers machine guns. Would the entire "aircraft" be considered a weapon, or did the guns disappear while the Kennel was parked in the Bar? Also, the...um...Robotic Destructor Bunnies. What about them? I guess what I'm asking is, does this cover all weapons in general, or just sidearms?
Allech-Atreus
29-01-2007, 06:18
I don't have any issues with what Ardchoille has written up there as a sort of guideline. The noggers gave some critique already, and I don't have any problems with the final draft. Quite the opposite, actually, It's very good.

To be truthful, I'm a bit sentimental for the current thread. I don't want to call it the "old" thread because it's not yet. But I can also see the possibilities of starting a new Strangers' Bar thread. It's a new start, a way to give newer players a more comprehensive introduction to the Bar and it's habits, rather than having them jumps headfirst into something.

but maybe that's the way it should be. I haven't been here that long, but the Bar is a staple, the one true constant in the UN.

I wouldn't be opposed to a new thread, though. Perhaps, if it does happen, we can work some IC reason into the current thread- like a fumigation for Robot Destructor Bunnies clogging the ductwork or something. Then, there can be a new thing going.

Whatver. We'll see.

But good job Ardchoille!
Flibbleites
29-01-2007, 06:19
If we do start a new Strangers Bar thread, I hope that the original one gets archived (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=1233).
Allech-Atreus
29-01-2007, 06:20
Ah! OK, just a couple of things then.

This has been (inadvertently) breached a couple of times. Cobdenia had Snoopy fly his Sopwith Kennel directly into the Bar. The Kennel was armed with twin Vickers machine guns. Would the entire "aircraft" be considered a weapon, or did the guns disappear while the Kennel was parked in the Bar? Also, the...um...Robotic Destructor Bunnies. What about them? I guess what I'm asking is, does this cover all weapons in general, or just sidearms?

Wolfgang did have those hologram guns- remember when Sammy Faisano blew his head off, and had it magically reconstituted in an instant? I see that as being the norm for weapons- they don't do anything permanent or harmful.
The Most Glorious Hack
29-01-2007, 06:22
If we do start a new Strangers Bar thread, I hope that the original one gets archived (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=1233).Yeah, I'd be willing to archive it.
Ardchoille
29-01-2007, 12:22
On the weapons thing, I think the Acme machines are somehow set to intuit whether the weapon will be a problem for the customers. Like, several of the clients must be very gun-shy, because guns capable of being used to kill turn into lollipops. Or hedgehogs, or lobsters, or whatever.

On the other hand, chairs are potentially weapons too, but people don't think of them as weapons, so they don't turn into marshmallows.

So I guess the Sopwith Camel's guns were collectively seen as a risk to the Red Baron's aircraft, but not to the clientele or to the courteous ace himself, should he stop by for a drink.

As for the Robotic Destructor Bunnies, pest infestations are the Building Management's problem, and it's about time they did something about them!

Re the position of the apostrophe in "Strangers' Bar", thanks, I'll proofread and fix it. My workplace has a house style of eliminating possessive commas in titles, so I've probably slipped into that style somewhere. It should be plural possessive throughout.
[NS:]Invisible Wabbits
31-01-2007, 20:12
These notes aren't exactly 'Conventions', but _

People who claim to have been conversing with human-sized rabbits whom nobody else could see (or, probably, hear) haven't necessarilly been hallucinating... ;)

There are gremlins, but also 'fairy' beings of some other sort -- Brownies, if memory serves me correctly -- who keep them [mostly] in check.

There's a large-screen television, noramlly tuned in to a channel that shows international contests (Olympics, NSvision Song Contests, etc) and international news. (This means that people in the bar have an IC justification for being able to find out what's happening in the NS & II forums...).

And what about the beer-stealing otter? ;)
Palentine UN Office
31-01-2007, 21:25
Invisible Wabbits;12276158']And what about the beer-stealing otter? ;)

As long as it sticks to stealing beer and not Sen. Sulla's Wild Turkey Rare Breed(TM), it will live to see another day.:D
Ariddia
31-01-2007, 21:44
Is there some technical reason for needing a new Stranger's Bar thread? If not, why do we want/need one? The Bar is historical. It is a UN Forum institution and even though I'm not a bar regular, I find it sort of comforting that it's always been there.

That would be my view, yes.
Omigodtheykilledkenny
22-02-2007, 03:21
Wolfgang did have those hologram guns- remember when Sammy Faisano blew his head off, and had it magically reconstituted in an instant? I see that as being the norm for weapons- they don't do anything permanent or harmful.Oh, sure. Wolfgang blows his head off 11 times, no one says a word. Sammy does it once, and we never hear the end of it. :p

Also, bump.
[NS]The Wolf Guardians
22-02-2007, 04:57
Just means they show concern for him, even if they don't seem to for Wolfgang, lol.
Flibbleites
22-02-2007, 05:44
Oh, sure. Wolfgang blows his head off 11 times, no one says a word. Sammy does it once, and we never hear the end of it. :p

Didn't Wolfgang use a holographic gun?
[NS]The Wolf Guardians
22-02-2007, 05:48
He loaned his to Sammy, briefly, for that incident.
Omigodtheykilledkenny
22-02-2007, 07:12
If I recall correctly, that holograph gun was a gift.

And you can't have it back. ;)
[NS]The Wolf Guardians
22-02-2007, 07:19
Oh, ya. I did offer one to anyone who wants one. Any takers? *pulls out an order pad*