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I would like to propose to the united nations that all proposals should be worded with a basic summary at thr top of the proposal.
I call for this because i was looking at the latest proposal up for vote (#54 Repeal "UN Educational Committee") and i thought Huh?

I regognise the need for these proposals to be letigous documents but is a summary too much to ask?

I REQUIRE 2 ENDORSEMENTS TO BE ABLE TO PROPOSE THIS, alterntitivly i will agree to co-author this with a nation that has the ability to propose this!

Yours Sincerly
Sir Robert Lonergan
Congersional Leader
The Incorperated States of None Incorperated

Such a proposal would be illegal.

But here is a summary of the repeal up for vote:
- we have two UN committees on education
- we only need one
- therefore, let's reduce bureaucracy by getting rid of one
- we should get rid of this one because its less effective than the other, with duties unclearly delineated

Illegal. game mechanics violation (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8913201&postcount=1).

Game Mechanics violations are attempts to change how the UN works. Generally, these are Proposals that should be threads in Technical. Anything that requires and adjustment to how the game does things, or requires a change of code falls into this category. Requiring "proper" spelling, adjusting the number of votes needed for queue, creating a universal UN currency, and forming a "secondary UN" are all examples of this. Another example of this is forbidding UN action at a future point in time -- you can't make your Resolution "Repeal-proof" or prohibit types of legislation.

Requiring a summary at the top of every proposal would be similiar to requiring proper spelling and thus probably would be considered illegal.

I would like to propose to the united nations that all proposals should be worded with a basic summary at thr top of the proposal.
I call for this because i was looking at the latest proposal up for vote (#54 Repeal "UN Educational Committee") and i thought Huh?

I regognise the need for these proposals to be letigous documents but is a summary too much to ask?

I REQUIRE 2 ENDORSEMENTS TO BE ABLE TO PROPOSE THIS, alterntitivly i will agree to co-author this with a nation that has the ability to propose this!

Yours Sincerly
Sir Robert Lonergan
Congersional Leader
The Incorperated States of None Incorperated

And this is the guy calling for plain English. Yikes.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Requiring a summary at the top of every proposal would be similiar to requiring proper spelling and thus probably would be considered illegal.
There are certain things you can mandate of nations, but no UN proposal may mandate specific actions from players. If you tried, Mods would have to enforce it, or admins would have to code it. Either way, not gonna happen.

I know that, before the rules for UN proposals were binding, we actually had a resolution that called for proper grammar in proposals. It's a good idea on paper, but it would be a bit tricky to implement in game mechanics. The best we could do would be to make a binding rule for proposals that says that mods can delete any proposal that uses incorrect grammar, and even then, that can be a tricky line to cross. After all, someone would be pretty peeved, and for good reason, if they wrote a wonderful, well-thought-out proposal that was surely going to pass with flying colors, but the mods deleted it because they ended a sentence with a preposition.

So, while it's illegal now, it's impractical to implement as a binding proposal rule.

I would like to propose to the united nations that all proposals should be worded with a basic summary at thr top of the proposal.
I call for this because i was looking at the latest proposal up for vote (#54 Repeal "UN Educational Committee") and i thought Huh?

Hi, I'm David, and I'm one of the authors of the latest resolution. As I see it, the reason there isn't a summary at the top, besides the Description, is because UN matters tend to be rather complicated, and repeals/resolutions at least take a paragraph or two to explain. The reason resolutions are written in a more formal style is that it allows the resolution to be more precise and specific. If you have any further questions about this resolution or others, you can post it on this UN Forum, and someone will gladly help explain it to you. It's nice to see a new arrival here...welcome to the UN Forums!

I never bothered to even attempt an explanation.

As David6 pointed out: UN Resolutions are complicated.
UN Resolutions have a character limit.
It's almost impossible to put a comprehensive resolution within the character limit.
Adding an executive summary at the top is definitely impossible for most resolutions.

I would like to propose to the united nations that all proposals should be worded with a basic summary at thr top of the proposal.
I call for this because i was looking at the latest proposal up for vote (#54 Repeal "UN Educational Committee") and i thought Huh?

I regognise the need for these proposals to be letigous documents but is a summary too much to ask?

I REQUIRE 2 ENDORSEMENTS TO BE ABLE TO PROPOSE THIS, alterntitivly i will agree to co-author this with a nation that has the ability to propose this!

Yours Sincerly
Sir Robert Lonergan
Congersional Leader
The Incorperated States of None Incorperated

The solution to your plight is simple. Find a person who is willing to read the resolutions for you and provide you with a summary of it. Your problem with reading "letigous" documents hardly merits a change to the structure of the UN process.

Hellar Gray

I never bothered to even attempt an explanation.

As David6 pointed out: UN Resolutions are complicated.
UN Resolutions have a character limit.
It's almost impossible to put a comprehensive resolution within the character limit.
Adding an executive summary at the top is definitely impossible for most resolutions.

I'll expand upon that. Executive summaries would then offer more for moderators to check ... and they might be forced to weigh in if the summary is true to the *text* of the resolution, as they'd be an official part of the resolution. I don't think we need to hand more work to our moderators right now. :)