NationStates Jolt Archive

Our honorable colleague Gruenbergy has left this august body. I may consider leaving as well. This is because of the lack of trade legislation to increase the strength of ones economy.

There has been a dearth of entitlement programs-- giving rights to people which cost government considerably. This is not just liberal entitlement programs. It is excessive military entitlement programs as well. These programs cost money, draining national economies. The liberals scream but we must help our people with healthcare and civil rights. The militarists claim they need to protect their borders and lessen crime. What are you going to protect with major recession, lack of jobs, and economic collapse from overexpansive spending.

It is not more taxation we need currently through entitlement programs but the rebirth of industrial trade to rebuild economies so we can afford these programs. We ask you to submit ideas for trade and furtherment of industry between nations. Our economy is in shock right now, under the auspices of the United Nations, we have gone from an industrial powerhouse to a very strong economy. The job of the UN is not to create a worldwide recession and eventually a depression, but it looks like the recently proposed programs will do this.

Regards, Rex Smiley, UN Representative

I second that notion. The last major pro-trade resolution was Gruen's Individual Working Freedoms. Do you have any ideas?

You know, I'm getting really sick and tired of people coming in here and saying, "the UN needs to do such and such." If you wnat the UN to do something, WRITE A DAMN RESOLUTION ABOUT IT YOURSELF don't expect others to do it for you.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

With respect, your typically irrelevant ramblings leave us rather cold. 'Trade' is a fairly expansive topic, and maybe instead of wasting your time on things that appear of absolutely, 100% no consequence to anything, ever, you might be better served saying what particular form of trade legislation you'd favour. And then writing it.

-- George Madison
Legislative Director
Quintessence of Dust Department of UN Affairs

You know, I'm getting really sick and tired of people coming in here and saying, "the UN needs to do such and such." If you wnat the UN to do something, WRITE A DAMN RESOLUTION ABOUT IT YOURSELF don't expect others to do it for you.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative


I couldn't agree with Representative Flibble more! If you want the UN to this or that write a fucking resolution. It doesn't take much...just get off your lazy arse and do it. I'm right now working on an other resolution to ban UN military forces. I think Ive fixed the flaws that were in Kenny's and am awaiting his blessing before submitting and committing our resources to that endeavor. But Since I think that IC resolutions to back up OOC is important in some instances I wrote a resolution about it.

IS YOUR COMPUTER BROKEN? DO YOU NEED A PEN? HERE, HAVE ONE OF MINE.

*tosses the representative of Commonalitarianism a finely crafted Elletian ball point pen.*


Vladimir Khernynko
Elleltian Ambassador to the UN.

We agree wholeheartedly with the sentiments expressed so far about writing a resolution yourself. We also wonder if we're supposed to be impressed by a threat of one single nation to leave these hallowed halls, particularly for such a weak reason. There are 27,477 member nations as I state this, you know.

Try to make this a better place instead of whining about taking your ball and going home.

- Jaris Krytellin, Ambassador

Despite the frankly "bandwagon" opinions of other representatives we'd like state that we accept and appreciate representative Smiley's concerns.

This thread and its complaint will hopefully serve to motivate those who have held back on making an idea for trade legislation reality and at the same time encourage attention from those who previously hadn’t thought of it so, whilst we might disagree with the manner via which you raised this, we can see the positive effects of it.

Also, we consider the loss of any member of this organisation to be a tragedy unless their words are completely lacking in positive effect which yours were not. You seemingly endeavour to be productive which we prize. One member lost is one perspective gone that could one day prove vital to the course of a resolution or resolutions.

There are 27,477 member nations as I state this, you know.

We presume since you're stating this all of them are contributing, constructive, caring, long-time members of the UN representative?

Or would we be correct in suggesting that there are a handful of members who meet that criteria and also correct in stating that a loss of any one of those experienced members is to be avoided?

That would certainly explain why you didn't tell the representative from Gruenberg thiis marvelous little fact about 27,477 being able to take his place wouldn't it?

Anravelle Kramer,
UN Ambassador,
Ice Queendom of Ithania.

We presume since you're stating this all of them are contributing, constructive, caring, long-time members of the UN representative?

Or would we be correct in suggesting that there are a handful of members who meet that criteria and also correct in stating that a loss of any one of those experienced members is to be avoided?

I was simply pointing out that one nation's complaining in the midst of such a large body of nations is like a drop in the bucket. More to the point, I don't frankly see how it matters whether a nation has been here a day or a year, if they choose to complain about something they could easily rectify (by writing their own proposals, or helping other delegations do so). Experienced whining is no less annoying and counterproductive than inexperienced whining.

That would certainly explain why you didn't tell the representative from Gruenberg thiis marvelous little fact about 27,477 being able to take his place wouldn't it?

We do not appreciate your sarcastic attempt to portray us as a bootlicker, and our entire delegation takes great offense. We feel Altanar's record here speaks for itself. And to address your attempt at a sarcastic point, there is no relation whatsoever between our response to the Gruenberger deletation and the Commonalitarianism delegation. As evidenced by the legislative record, Gruenberg contributed a great deal to this assembly before departing. I also don't recall seeing any examples of their delegation crying about how no one was writing resolutions they liked; they tended to write their own resolutions, which is exactly the point. This major difference also accounts for why we have respect for the Gruenbergers, and not so much respect (at least right now) for Commonalitarianism's delegation. There are complainers, and there are doers. Guess which ones we respect, and which ones we feel deserve a swift kick in the ass now and then.

- Jaris Krytellin, Ambassador

I was simply pointing out that one nation's complaining in the midst of such a large body of nations is like a drop in the bucket.
We'd still prefer them to air those complaints as opposed to remaining silent.

If individuals have a problem with how something is functioning we believe it's better to regret saying something which could be considered whining rather than keep grievances private thus negating the possibility of anything positive being done on the issue.

In this case we've certainly been made to look more closely at resolutions on the subject of trade which we consider at least one positive effect and hope there are other instances of this change of focus with other delegations.

(by writing their own proposals, or helping other delegations do so).
It seems to us that the original intention was to foster new ideas or enquire about existing ones so that help could be proffered but the representative will have to clarify this and we’d like to note that time spent as a member was only one of our criteria.

We're sure there are nations which have proven that those of us who are new members can be valued, time is irrelevant so we apologise for that but our belief that this is not "counterproductive" stands as we think this will be very productive by giving inspiration to those nations who seek to write a resolution but lack an area to centre on.

We do not appreciate your sarcastic attempt to portray us as a bootlicker, and our entire delegation takes great offense.
Oh dear, we are most sorry but if you were guilty of this then we would be too as our entire delegation also gave well wishes to the Gruenberg representative. We have great respective for the Altanari, your delegation has consistently made informed responses in debates… an antithesis to how we are replying now.

Our point was merely one of numbers; contrasting another nation which left and was active with another, albeit radically different, active member.

We didn't understand why the loss of one member was so regrettable among thousands but when another makes a single mistake or gives concerns in the wrong manner they're expendable and any future potential they might have to add to the legislative record becomes irrelevant.

It was nothing to do with deference and a very silly point for us to make we admit. However we were riled by the victimising thread this was turning into so wanted to engineer an interruption in that pattern by targeting one of the victimisers.

Our other alternative was to throw a fountain pen at the Elletian representative along with a supply of ink but felt that the stains that left were far more permanent than this.

not so much respect (at least right now) for Commonalitarianism's delegation
We apologise, we weren't aware that you were willing to give them a chance to redeem themselves. We wrongly presumed that you were suggesting that they should leave because they will be of no use to the UN which determined our entire attitude towards your delegations response. We apologise for the countless offences and our error.

There are complainers, and there are doers.
We don't deal in absolutes, we tend to believe that doers can become complainers and complainers can become doers. We believe the resultant focus on trade because of the representative’s comments and the council authors will seek from his delegation will make them become "doers".

Anravelle Kramer,
UN Ambassador,
Ice Queendom of Ithania.

Oh dear, we are most sorry but if you were guilty of this then we would be too as our entire delegation also gave well wishes to the Gruenberg representative. We have great respective for the Altanari, your delegation has consistently made informed responses in debates… an antithesis to how we are replying now.

In that case, we will accept your apology as it is intended with no hard feelings.

Our point was merely one of numbers; contrasting another nation which left and was active with another, albeit radically different, active member. We didn't understand why the loss of one member was so regrettable among thousands but when another makes a single mistake or gives concerns in the wrong manner they're expendable and any future potential they might have to add to the legislative record becomes irrelevant.

True, and perhaps we weren't clear ourselves. We don't want anyone to leave, but do feel an attitude adjustment would be desirable.

We apologise, we weren't aware that you were willing to give them a chance to redeem themselves. We wrongly presumed that you were suggesting that they should leave because they will be of no use to the UN which determined our entire attitude towards your delegations response. We apologise for the countless offences and our error.

We are always willing to give someone another chance. And in that spirit, we accept your apology again and assure you there are no hard feelings.

We don't deal in absolutes, we tend to believe that doers can become complainers and complainers can become doers. We believe the resultant focus on trade because of the representative’s comments and the council authors will seek from his delegation will make them become "doers".

We hope that is the case, and that our comments (blunt as they may have been) will encourage them in a similar fashion. That is, really, ultimately our desire.

- Jaris Krytellin, Ambassador

IS YOUR COMPUTER BROKEN? DO YOU NEED A PEN? HERE, HAVE ONE OF MINE.

*tosses the representative of Commonalitarianism a finely crafted Elletian ball point pen.*



Down boy. Here's a bone to chew on.

We recall when our nation first started sending delegations to the UN, having been members but never caring. I believe that the Clothing Supply Pact was at vote, and sadly it failed.

While we are currently preoccupied with other legislative matters, we would be very interested in the creation of any trade legislation, and would gladly assist in any way. We may even knock out a draft or two, who knows.

Most courteously,