NationStates Jolt Archive

I'm not very good at wording proposals, but I'll have a shot just the same:


Recalling that, in Article 2 Section 1 of the Child Protection Act, a child shall be protected from all forms of abuse, including (but not limited to) sexual abuse

This section thus covers the defintion of Outlaw Pedophilia, and thus the resolution is superceded by the Child Protection Act.

Therefore Outlaw Pedophilia (Resolution #22) is to be repealed.


In Layman's terms, because Resolution 22 (Outlaw Pedophilia) is covered by Resolution 25 (Child Protection Act), having the two acts in play is essentially doubling up on the same rule. Any qualms?

Sounds pretty good to me. You might want to use simpler language and that capital letters thingy, but the basic idea of repealing redundant legislation is something I support.

HotRodian UN Representative
Accelerus Dioce

The basic principle is beautifully simple, and I like that. You may want to reorganize the format and wording a touch to keep the regulars happy, but your base argument is sound and logical. Good job! Noticing that you're new to these halls, Allow me to be one of the first to say that it's refreshing to see one of our newer members produce something of this quality.

For formatting, there are a few individuals here who can probably offer some good suggestions. Lacking that, try Reclamation (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Reclamation/index.php). It's an offsite forum specifically geared towards fine-tuning resolutions and repeals. They will be more than happy to help out.

Considering all the crap and harmful laws on the books, removing R22 is pretty low on my list.

I'm not very good at wording proposals, but I'll have a shot just the same:



In Layman's terms, because Resolution 22 (Outlaw Pedophilia) is covered by Resolution 25 (Child Protection Act), having the two acts in play is essentially doubling up on the same rule. Any qualms?

*smacks Damanucus with a book* bad boy bad. I find it quiet sick you wish to depeal resolution 22. Even if it is in #25 22 was there first thus making it being said in #25 usless.

Whilst I understand the sentiment, the crap you'd have to put up with really wouldn't be worth it.

You are very brave Damanucus, be prepared to receive a lot of negative comments your way.

The Child Protection Act was proposed by Stephistan in response to the adoption of my Outlaw Pedophila resolution. While a full history of the discussions involving the two resolutions would take entirely too long to recount, suffice it to say that Stephistan felt that Outlaw Pedophilia was insufficient in its protection of children. Specifically, she was concerned that the explicit ban (in Outlaw Pedophilia) of sexual molestation of a pre-pubescent minor would implicitly permit various crimes against post-pubescent minors, while I felt that national laws were sufficient to guard against these crimes and that if the United Nations wished to deal with these matters, it could do so in a subsequent resolution. The result was the Child Protection Act.

I would, however, argue that the redundancy in the law is an acceptable one, considering the nature of repeals in the United Nations. In July 2003, no final ruling on the legality of repeals had been made, and repeals were held illegal two months later. However, with the current prevalence of repeals in this body, I feel that the added protection afforded by Outlaw Pedophilia is necessary should some provision of the Child Protection Act be found objectionable, resulting in the entire Act being stricken. Additionally, I do not feel that a small redundancy check is worth the amount of time that the United Nations would spend voting on this draft proposal, should it become a resolution.

I will also concur with the delegate from Gruenberg. I got enough idiotic telegrams when Outlaw Pedophilia was up for vote - I don't even think a post from the sponsor of Outlaw Pedophilia would stop all the complaining you'd get. It gives you a new understanding of "not worth the amount of time", especially since I actually wrote Outlaw Pedophilia to block a harsher proposal by Fantasan requiring strict sentences for those who would commit the acts banned thereby. I'm still amused that I did absolutely no pre-vote campaigning for the one proposal I wrote that actually got enacted, while everything else I wrote (and actually campaigned for) died for lack of endorsements.

[Lord] Michael Evif
Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Author, "Outlaw Pedophilia"

Mr. EVIF. Mr. Secretary-General, could the text of Resolution 22 and the first section of Article 2, Resolution 25 be inserted into the Journal at this time?

The SECRETARY-GENERAL. The appropriate documents will be inserted.

The text of Resolution 22 is as follows:

Outlaw Pedophilia

RESOLVED, That the act of sexual molestation of a pre-pubescent minor is hereby outlawed in all UN member nations.

The text of Resolution 25(2)(1) is as follows:

Article 2, Section 1 of the Child Protection Act

States Parties shall take all appropriate legislative, administrative, social and educational measures to protect the minor from all forms of physical or mental violence, injury or abuse, neglect or negligent treatment, maltreatment or exploitation, including sexual abuse, while in the care of parent(s), legal guardian(s)d or any other person(s)

While I generally believe that repealing redundancies is a good thing; I must agree with Gruenberg on this. It simply isn't worth the headache you would have to get it passed.

Plus take into account the possibility of the CPA being repealed, this redundancy may not be so bad after all.

Also considering all the other garbage that has to be gotten rid of the Pedophilia ban ranks very very very low on my list of repeals I would like to see.

Noticing that you're new to these halls, Allow me to be one of the first to say that it's refreshing to see one of our newer members produce something of this quality.


Seconded. But as a newcomer, you may not realise yet that many UN members barely glance past the title. "Repeal: 'Outlaw Pedophilia'" would generate a lot of misunderstanding and angry comments from people who can't be bothered to think through what you're really doing.

Or maybe I'm a pessimist...

Or maybe I'm a pessimist...


No no, you are not a pessimist. That is what really happens with a lot of resolutions so Ariddia, I would say you are being a realist. Look at the resolution currently at vote. The reason it probably even got queued is the title. It has such huge loopholes that I could drive a Trans-Ziberian freight train through them while dragging five city busses behind that train and receiving air support from the Cluichstani Death Star.;)

Not to mention that Damanucus' TG box would get filled up with inane stuff like: "Yuo wants to fuck teh little kidz!!!1eleven"

Not to mention that Damanucus' TG box would get filled up with inane stuff like: "Yuo wants to fuck teh little kidz!!!1eleven"

Hell, I got one's like that when Maritime Safety Standards was up

Hell, I got one's like that when Maritime Safety Standards was up

Really? Over Maritime Safety Standards? Wow. Some people just really need a hobby when they're screaming about stuff like that...

The main reason I want this repealed is the insane misuse of the word "pedophilia". Just one of my pet peeves, take no note of me.

I will also concur with the delegate from Gruenberg. I got enough idiotic telegrams when Outlaw Pedophilia was up for vote - I don't even think a post from the sponsor of Outlaw Pedophilia would stop all the complaining you'd get. It gives you a new understanding of "not worth the amount of time", especially since I actually wrote Outlaw Pedophilia to block a harsher proposal by Fantasan requiring strict sentences for those who would commit the acts banned thereby. I'm still amused that I did absolutely no pre-vote campaigning for the one proposal I wrote that actually got enacted, while everything else I wrote (and actually campaigned for) died for lack of endorsements.

[Lord] Michael Evif
Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Author, "Outlaw Pedophilia"

I appreciate the history lesson, but I also have a question. Why, if your nation sponsored a blocking resolution, did it also oppose later blocking resolutions on principle?

HotRodian UN Representative
Accelerus Dioce

I appreciate the history lesson, but I also have a question. Why, if your nation sponsored a blocking resolution, did it also oppose later blocking resolutions on principle?

HotRodian UN Representative
Accelerus Dioce

Ah, I was using a colloquial form of "block", not the term as used technically here. What I actually mean is that I knew that Fantasan was going to submit his proposal within a few hours, and so before he could submit it, I submitted my proposal so that it would appear before his on the proposal list and thereby siphon support from his proposal. In theory, his proposal could have been legally adopted following Outlaw Pedophilia, had there been sufficient support.

[Lord] Michael Evif
Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Author, "Outlaw Pedophilia"

Quick thinking, Lord Evif. I commend you.

Benedictions,

The main reason I want this repealed is the insane misuse of the word "pedophilia". Just one of my pet peeves, take no note of me.
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This is supposed to mean what?

This is supposed to mean what?

Apparently it's Morse code for "I couldn't think of a response".

Sounds likely.

Paradica, You intimidated him by saying not to take note of you.

And to officially note, My government does not wish to see a repeal of "Outlaw Pedophilia."