NationStates Jolt Archive

This is a repeal being prepared by ACCEL, hopefully for submission in the near future. Any helpful comments would be welcome. Please note:
1. The issue this repeal argues is that UNEC has been supplanted.
2. The apostrophe thing isn't really that funny anymore.
The United Nations,

Strongly identifying with the principles of promoting quality in education espoused in UN Resolution #54, "UN Educational Committee",

Taking note of the passage of UN Resolution #171, "UN Educational Aid Act", and specifically its creation of a UN Educational Advancement Fund,

Recognising that while committees can serve useful functions, assigning two to oversight of UN educational projects is not only excessive, bureaucratic and wasteful, but further poses the risk of creating confusion and inefficiency,

Believing the UNEAF to be a generally better model than the UNEC, given the latter's powers are poorly delineated, and no provision is made for funding of its projects,

Realizing that UNEC's functions are more than sufficiently performed by UNEAF,

Thereby considering that UNEC has been relegated to the status of another useless committee,

Wishing to clarify the UN's objectives, increase its efficiency and streamline its operations, through the elimination of committees that serve no purpose other than to drain member resources,

Repeals "UN Educational Committee".
UN Educational Committee (http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_past_resolutions/start=53)
UN Educational Aid Act (http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_past_resolutions/start=170)

Concise, solid argument and rhetoric, uses the words "another useless committee". Excellent.

I'll be happy to host the party when the UNEC goes down.

HotRodian UN Representative
Accelerus Dioce

Normally I'm nitpicky, but I really can't find any fault with this one. I'd support this repeal.

Concise, solid argument and rhetoric, uses the words "another useless committee". Excellent.

That's my favourite part! :D

The argument just seems a bit weird to me. It's like saying, "Ah! We need an educational committee! Let's do it!" but then, saying "zOMG! This resolution is duplicatory! REPEAL IT!!!" The UNEC was there first, you need more details on exactly why its worse, besides its function being less detailed. Less detail in a resolution doesn't really have much effect on a committee - the gnomes can interpolate/extrapolate to fit the needs.

Did I hear the words "an other usesless committee" and repeal in the same sentence?

We like this, has a good argument and we look forward to seeing it come to the floor.

Vladimir Khernynko
Elleltian Ambassador to the UN.

The argument just seems a bit weird to me. It's like saying, "Ah! We need an educational committee! Let's do it!" but then, saying "zOMG! This resolution is duplicatory! REPEAL IT!!!" The UNEC was there first, you need more details on exactly why its worse, besides its function being less detailed. Less detail in a resolution doesn't really have much effect on a committee - the gnomes can interpolate/extrapolate to fit the needs.
1. Calm down.
2. It doesn't bother you that the gnomes can extrapolate it to fit "the needs"? You're saying that they can expand the mandate of a committee that can interfere in national affairs without any check of accountability as they please, and that that's a good thing?
3. It's worse because it's completely unclear how the UNEC is funded, what its duties are, what authority it has to change anything, how nations are expected to work with it.
4. Of course less detail in a resolution has a significant effect on a committee, because given that committees are not run by member nations, the resolution is the only place in which the committee is accountable to them.
5. Why am I even fucking bothering?

No smart replies to 1 or 5, thanks.

After examining both passed resolutions I must say that the UN Educational Aid Act does a much better job, than the UN Educational Committee.

The UNEC goes on about providing sports and lunch programs etc. Quite frankly we find little need for this to be in the actual proposal concerning itself with education. As I understand education, that subject in substance is more a matter about books, teacher training, computers, and good equipment for labs and such things.

Besides lunch and sports programs can be dealt with on a national or sub-national level, and handled perhaps better.

The UNEAA provides for all of the substance part I was mentioning before. But further allows the nations to develop on their own their programs as according to their needs.

Some nations need to focus on primary education, while others secondary and still others tertiary education. And the individual nations are most likely to know what their needs are and how to spend their monies more effectively than the UN would so there is little need for the previous resolution.

Further, I do not understand the argument that "But the UNEC was there first!" What difference does that make at all? One law is clearly better than the other and therefore the not-as-good law should be scrapped.

Vladimir Khernynko
Elleltian Ambassador to the UN.

Worthless committees give gnome bureaucrats jobs. Jobs are useful to the economy so the gnomes can buy hard cheese. We especially like worthless educational committees because they represent opportunities for unemployed Ph.D. gnomes, the hardest to employ. Good jobs where they can share donuts, coffee, and leftover fruitcake. We are opposed to this repeal.

Sincerely,

Rex Smiley, Commonalitarianism Representative

This will be resubmitted after the heathen festivities are over.

I agree somewhat with Ceorana. You should elaborate more on what exactly makes UNEC inferior to the UNAF. Beyond that little nitpick I beleive this is a solid repeal and support it.

Resubmitted.

Approved - I'm all for getting rid of useless committees, especially if we've got two doing the same thing.

Resubmitted.

Excellent. Good luck getting it to quorum.

I certainly support this proposal, it makes perfect sense to reduce needless buerocracy, while maintaining the good ideas of the UN Committee.

Approved. Good luck.

LAE will vote AGAINST this repeal. We would prefer repeal #171, "UN Educational Aid Act" instead, as UNEAF is worse than UNEC.

Indeed:
UNEAF
6. Entrusts nations with the right and responsibility to decide on the structure of their public education systems and the role of private institutions, mandatory, encouraged and prohibited subjects, skills and course elements in educational institutions, and the financing of educational programs, subject to previous UN legislation still in effect;

#171, "UN Educational Aid Act", ban the UN to vote democratically on future legislation about education related to current or future significant needs in this area.

#171, "UN Educational Aid Act", ban the UN to vote democratically on future legislation about education related to current or future significant needs in this area.
The UN can't democratically do anything: it's not a democratic organization.

LAE will vote AGAINST this repeal. We would prefer repeal #171, "UN Educational Aid Act" instead, as UNEAF is worse than UNEC.

Indeed:


#171, "UN Educational Aid Act", ban the UN to vote democratically on future legislation about education related to current or future significant needs in this area.

Oh please, you do realize that if the UN is allowed to mandate what is being taught in schools then they could mandate that erroneous things, like the sun orbiting the Earth, must be taught even though it's wrong.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

But the sun does orbit the earth! (proudly) That's what I learned in UN school!

Oh please, you do realize that if the UN is allowed to mandate what is being taught in schools then they could mandate that erroneous things, like the sun orbiting the Earth, must be taught even though it's wrong.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Or that the Earth orbits the Sun, which is equally wrong.

Hellar Gray

Leftover fruitcake? The gnomes eat leftover fruitcake?

I really hope this resolution passes, which it probably will, assuming most UN nations actually read it. Which, as is shown be countless passed UN resolutions, they don't always do.

Status: Quorum Reached: In Queue!

We're very pleased to see this repeal in the queue. Our delegation will give it full support when it comes before this Assembly for a vote.

By order of His Royal Highness, the Prince of Ausserland:

Balthasar H. von Aschenbach
Prime Minister of Ausserland

The entire nation of David6 also rejoices. Thank Gruen for his wonderful Tgram campaign!