NationStates Jolt Archive

Catagory: Gun control Strength: Mild

REALIZING
-that gun owners and buyers must be documented more to further prevent gun crimes.
-that individuals with a history of dangerous/serious criminal activity must not be able to purchase firearms for the safety of others.

NOTING that gun registry laws are not strict enough, and that almost anybody can get a gun, to use to shoot others intentionally or innocents unintentionally.

OBSERVING that citizens still have hold the right to bear arms.

ESTABLISHING
-that individuals with a record of violence or repeated criminal behavior be kept from firearms to prevent the danger of or violation of another citizen's right to life.

-Anybody who wishes to purchase a gun will have to take further steps in the purchase process to file all information on the gun and type of ammunition needed, criminal record, and several other procedures

-An individual who has not acted in any criminal activity for at least ten years will be able to purchase a firearm again, but under stricter conditions

NOTING FURTHER THAT innocent citizen's safety is more important than the right to bear arms.

URGING all UN nations to tighten up gun control in a safe and effective way.

Oh this is going to be so effective! Not.

Who ever heard of a criminal following the law? Registering guns would only useful in knowing which law abiding citizens have guns not at preventing gun crime.

Any person would still be able to buy an illegal fire arm on the black market.

Further, The Individual Nations should be able to determine if their people can have guns or not. This is nothing more than UN micromanagement of my Arms Manufacturing and Distribution systems.

Vladimir Khernynko
Elleltian Ambassador to the UN.

Sorry I'm new at this lol. Shouldn't have written this up, it's stupid, you're right.

REALIZING
-that gun owners and buyers must be documented more to further prevent gun crimes.

Documentation alone doesn't prevent crime; there wasn't a criminal that was ever stopped by a piece of paper. We'd recommend deleting this clause.

-that individuals with a history of dangerous/serious criminal activity must not be able to purchase firearms for the safety of others.

We agree with this portion.

NOTING that gun registry laws are not strict enough, and that almost anybody can get a gun, to use to shoot others intentionally or innocents unintentionally.

Not necessarily true for every nation. Altanar has fairly strict gun laws, but a lot of nations don't. Many nations have laws far stricter than ours in this regard.

OBSERVING that citizens still have hold the right to bear arms.

Again, not true in every nation.

ESTABLISHING
-that individuals with a record of violence or repeated criminal behavior be kept from firearms to prevent the danger of or violation of another citizen's right to life.

Agreed with this portion.

-Anybody who wishes to purchase a gun will have to take further steps in the purchase process to file all information on the gun and type of ammunition needed, criminal record, and several other procedures

More elaboration is needed here. What steps exactly?

-An individual who has not acted in any criminal activity for at least ten years will be able to purchase a firearm again, but under stricter conditions

We totally disagree with this clause. If you deemed someone enough of a danger to deprive them the right to bear arms, why on earth would you give that right back to them?

NOTING FURTHER THAT innocent citizen's safety is more important than the right to bear arms.

We also totally disagree with this contention, as many other nations no doubt will.

URGING all UN nations to tighten up gun control in a safe and effective way.

fluff and not needed.

Sorry I'm new at this lol. Shouldn't have written this up, it's stupid, you're right.
Pay no attention to Ellelt.

While I probably wouldn't support your proposal, that doesn't mean it's "stupid" or without merit. Here's a gun permit proposal I threw together for someone else a while back. It isn't perfect by a long-shot, but feel free to use any parts of it you see fit.
The General Assembly Of The United Nations

ALARMED at the growing trend of gun related violence;

BELIEVING that requiring permits as a condition for purchasing a firearm would reduce incidents of gun related violence;

FURTHER believing that mandatory background checks should be a condition for receiving such permits.

MANDATES the following:

1. All firearms purchases by private individuals in UN nations shall require the issuance of a permit. Permits shall be issued by either national or local authorities as deemed appropriate by national governments.

2.Permits shall only be issued to individuals who have passed a background check performed by appropriate local or national authorities.

3.Nations are strongly urged to raise sales taxes by a minimum of 5% on the sale of firearms to private individuals.

4.Convicted felons and any individual ever convicted of a violent crime shall not be allowed to purchase a firearm.

Oh this is going to be so effective! Not.

Who ever heard of a criminal following the law? Registering guns would only useful in knowing which law abiding citizens have guns not at preventing gun crime.

Any person would still be able to buy an illegal fire arm on the black market.

Further, The Individual Nations should be able to determine if their people can have guns or not. This is nothing more than UN micromanagement of my Arms Manufacturing and Distribution systems.
Since when do "Stalinists" oppose gun registration?
Vladimir Khernynko
Elleltian Ambassador to the UN.
Shut the fuck up.

Aüþgæþ Spøtyiú
Attache, Yeldan Committee For State Security

Sorry I'm new at this lol. Shouldn't have written this up, it's stupid, you're right.

Don't get discouraged. Your ideas are better than some here, they just need a little work.

OOC:
As the others said: Don't get discouraged.

One problem with your proposal is that you make assumptions about what things are like in all societies. I'm assuming you're from the US in real life. Not all players here are, and not all NS nations are replicas of the RL USA.

For example:


NOTING that gun registry laws are not strict enough, and that almost anybody can get a gun


That's not the case in Ariddia.


OBSERVING that citizens still have hold the right to bear arms.


Ditto.

Of course, you're right that there's been no UN legislation on these matters, but the wording is clumsy.



-An individual who has not acted in any criminal activity for at least ten years will be able to purchase a firearm again, but under stricter conditions


Hell, no. The big problem with this is that you're forcing all member nations to allow people to bear arms. In many nations, it's illegal for anyone to own a firearm. (In itself, that clause MIGHT make your proposal a category violation, but you'd have to ask a mod.)

This will not hinder criminals, but it will hurt civil liberties.

Criminals can easily obtain weapons through the black market. Whats left? Citizens who have a hard time obtaining weapons to protect themselves.

Thumb down in my book.

First of all: Pay no attention to Ellelt. (I think it's the effects of a prune overdose.)


Second: Let's consider what you want to do. Let's boil this down as far as possible. Criminals should not get guns. Well that's a nice thought. But ...

Is this a real international issue? Not really.
Is this an issue of fundamental human rights? Again no.

Remember not all issues are suitable for the United Nations. Not all nations in the United Nations have a right to bear arms. But that's not to say that somehow it can't be made an international issue, or through some other means be made worthy of UN consideration. It just takes a clever aproach.

Is this a real international issue? Not really.There is scope in this area for international legislation, if only in the realms of trade of such weapons, but that's not what is being discussed here.

Still, I'd point out a good first step in limiting the black market is to start an audit trail of every piece of hardware. Wouldn't stop it all, however :)

First of all: Pay no attention to Ellelt. (I think it's the effects of a prune overdose.)

Ew. Just...ew.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Since when do "Stalinists" oppose gun registration?


We don't oppose gun control at all. In fact in Ellelt any person who is not in the local police force, military or Cheka is prohibited to have a fire arm that isn't a muzzle loading flint or match lock. This has reduced our crime rates to near zero as muggers and other such traitors to the revolution are forced to resort to knives and brickbats.

However, this wont work in other nations I am sure and my opposition is based upon this not being legislation worthy of international attention. If other nations want to register gun owners then they are already doing so. This is akin to writing resolution requiring drivers licenses.

And totally meddling in the affairs of the individual nations.

Vladimir Khernynko
Elleltian Ambassador to the UN.

OOC:
As the others said: Don't get discouraged.

One problem with your proposal is that you make assumptions about what things are like in all societies. I'm assuming you're from the US in real life. Not all players here are, and not all NS nations are replicas of the RL USA.

For example:



That's not the case in Ariddia.



Ditto.

Of course, you're right that there's been no UN legislation on these matters, but the wording is clumsy.




Hell, no. The big problem with this is that you're forcing all member nations to allow people to bear arms. In many nations, it's illegal for anyone to own a firearm. (In itself, that clause MIGHT make your proposal a category violation, but you'd have to ask a mod.)

Actually, I'm from Canada but we get alot of American influence up here. (unfortunately.) Since most of the people I know on the internet are American, I thought I might cater to them a little.

The General Assembly Of The United Nations

ALARMED at the growing trend of gun related violence;
Where? Not in our territories...

Where? Not in our territories...
Did you notice the part about me having written that for someone else?