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Catagory: Environmental
Resolution Name: Renewable Resource: Hemp
Industry Affected: All Business
Description:

AWARE of the necessity of an environmentally friendly solution to the worldwide energy and environmental crisis. Industrial Hemp is that solution.

INDUSTRIAL USES: As an agricultural commodity, hemp is arguably the world's top renewable resource for fuel, paper, cloth, paint, plastic, protein, soap, oil and over 25,000 other products.

Hemp biomass can be converted into fuels (methane, methanol, gasoline) more efficiently than fossil fuels (coal, oil) and without the sulfur or acid rain.

Plastics derived from industrial hemp are biodegradable and are stronger than their petroleum derived counterparts which are not.

One acre of hemp produces four times as much paper as one acre of timber with no environmental damage when the crop is removed.

Hemp requires very little pesticide (if any at all) whereas cotton is grown on 3% of the cropland in the United States and accounts for 26% of overall pesticide use; therefore, hemp is a much more environmentally responsible crop.

Hemp will grow in a wide range of climates across the world. In some warmer climates it can be grown year round. Generally a full hemp crop takes three to four months to fully develop; therefore, in many places in the world two crops can be grown and harvested in the same growing season. With the production of industrial hemp comes the revival of the agricultural industry and the small farmer. The economical and social benefits would be felt especially in developing countries.

Similar to soybeans, pressed hemp seeds are comprised of seed oil and seed cake (or meal). The seed is approximately 30-35% oil by weight and can be used for: food (the oil is over 70% polyunsaturated or cholesterol-fighting essential fatty acids and contains all 8 essential amino acids); fuel (mixed with 15% methanol for fuel 70% cleaner than petroleum diesel); and paints and varnishes. The seed cake contains 25% protein and can be used as a supplement to wheat flour. The whole seeds can be eaten (20% high-quality digestible complete protein) by humans.

The technologies to use hemp as a renewable fuel are already available and have been since the 1930's. Over the course of history hemp has been a very important resource; it's only in recent history that large corporations have covered its potential to make their products the only ones available at a detriment to the people of the Earth. It's time that we take some responsibility as human beings and make a conscious decision to take care of our planet and consequentially, ourselves.

This is an essay. Resolutions are articles of international law, not the author's thought for the day.

This is an essay. Resolutions are articles of international law, not the author's thought for the day.

I wouldn't call this a thought for the day... You're saying that it should be in the format of AWARE, NOTING ect... one line at a time?

Come up with your own text (http://www.lightparty.com/Energy/Hemp5.html) first, then we'll talk about proper format.

I wouldn't call this a thought for the day... You're saying that it should be in the format of AWARE, NOTING ect... one line at a time?


He's saying that it's an essay. It doesn't do anything. It simply says "hemp is good."

Come up with your own text (http://www.lightparty.com/Energy/Hemp5.html) first, then we'll talk about proper format.

Yeah, and I was kinda figuring it'd been C&Ped.

Yeah, and I was kinda figuring it'd been C&Ped.

Not all c&p'd just a couple of points, who says you can't do that? And yes, it does say hemp is good, because it is good. There are many strong points for it's use listed. The positive environmental impact alone is worth legitimizing this cash crop.

Not all c&p'd just a couple of points, who says you can't do that?
1. The mods.
2. The law.

And yes, it does say hemp is good, because it is good. There are many strong points for it's use listed. The positive environmental impact alone is worth legitimizing this cash crop.
We're not disputing that. This isn't a "hemp is bad" criticism; it's a "your 'proposal' is bad" criticism.

You don't have to use the activating verb format (although it's often the most clear), but you do have to include some kind of action: a line that requires nations to legalise the growing of hemp or something.

You also need to learn how to spell "its".

Not all c&p'd just a couple of points, who says you can't do that?

Uh...it's called plagiarism.

And yes, it does say hemp is good, because it is good. There are many strong points for it's use listed. The positive environmental impact alone is worth legitimizing this cash crop.

You failed to read what I said. Note the bolded bit.

He's saying that it's an essay. It doesn't do anything. It simply says "hemp is good."

1. The mods.
2. The law.


We're not disputing that. This isn't a "hemp is bad" criticism; it's a "your 'proposal' is bad" criticism.

You don't have to use the activating verb format (although it's often the most clear), but you do have to include some kind of action: a line that requires nations to legalise the growing of hemp or something.

You also need to learn how to spell "its".

Fair enough :) Perhaps it's poorly compiled. (It's is a conjunction by the way, but does it really matter?) Thank you for the constructive criticism. I shall go back to what I have and re-write it in a clearer format and re-do the items that were pasted.

Fair enough :) Perhaps it's poorly compiled. (It's is a conjunction by the way, but does it really matter?)

It does matter actually. It's not a conjunction. It's a possessive adjective.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c151/garydexter/g.jpg

It does matter actually. It's not a conjunction. It's a possessive adjective.

It's = it is

Ok, now you're just getting really anal about it and so am I, so let's just not do it then. Ok? OK!

I do apologise. I misread your final paragraph; I now realize you were using "it's" correctly. Sorry.

I do apologise. I misread your final paragraph; I now realize you were using "it's" correctly. Sorry.

My bad too, I did use it incorrectly elsewhere. :P All apologies for getting a little uptight and defensive.

Is this better? Might not be perfect... Suggestions on content primarily are quite welcome. Formatting too since this is now the second time ever I've drafted anything like this. First time was yesterday... Anyway, here it is (again).


Catagory: Environmental
Resolution Name: Renewable Resource: Hemp
Industry Affected: All Business
Description:

AWARE of the necessity of an environmentally friendly solution to the worldwide energy and environmental crisis. Industrial Hemp is that solution.

”Industrial Hemp is a number of varieties of Cannabis sativa L. that are intended for agricultural and industrial purposes. They are grown for their seed and fiber content as well as the resulting byproducts such as oil, seed cake, hurds, etc. Industrial Hemp is characterized by being low in THC (delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol) and high in CBD (cannabidiol). THC is less than 1% and the ratio of CBD to THC is greater than one.”
- Definition provided by: http://www.industrialhemp.net

USES: Fuel, paper, cloth, paint, plastic, protein, soap, oil, and over 25,000 other products with can be used in nearly every facet of life.

ADVANTAGES:
1. Hemp biomass can be converted into fuels such as methane, methanol, and gasoline more efficiently than fossil fuels without byproducts such as sulfur.

2. Plastics derived from industrial hemp are biodegradable and are stronger than their petroleum derived counterparts which are not.

3. One acre of hemp produces four times as much paper as one acre of timber with little to no environmental repercussion when the crop is removed.

4. Hemp requires very little pesticide (if any at all) whereas cotton is grown on 3% of the cropland in the United States and accounts for 26% of overall pesticide use; therefore, hemp is a much more environmentally responsible crop.

5. Hemp will grow in a wide range of climates across the world. In some warmer climates it can be grown year round. Generally a full hemp crop takes three to four months to fully develop; therefore, in many places in the world two crops can be grown and harvested in the same growing season. With the production of industrial hemp comes the revival of the agricultural industry and the small farmer. The economical and social benefits would be felt especially in developing countries.

6. Similar to soybeans, pressed hemp seeds are comprised of seed oil and seed meal. The seed is approximately 30-35% oil by weight and can be used for:

A. Food: Hemp seed oil contains over 70% polyunsaturated or cholesterol-fighting essential fatty acids and contains all eight essential amino acids. The seed meal itself contains 25% protein which can be used to fortify other foods. Whole seeds can also be eaten by humans and animals alike and contains 20% digestible complete protein.

B. Fuel: When hemp seed oil is mixed with methanol (which is derived from the plant biomass) a bio-diesel fuel is created that burns 70% cleaner than petroleum based diesel fuel.


The technologies to use hemp as a renewable fuel are already available and have been since the 1930's. Over the course of history hemp has been a very important resource; it's only in recent history that large corporations have covered its potential to make their products the only ones available at a detriment to the people of the Earth. It's time that we take some responsibility as human beings and make a conscious decision to take care of our planet and consequentially, ourselves.

This resolution hereby:

1. Legalizes and encourages the cultivation and processing of industrial hemp in all member nations.

2. Establishes the World Hemp Commission (WHC) to standardize and enforce growing regulations and to provide educational materials to farmers to maximize yields. The WHC will also study and report the environmental and industrial impact of the new crop and report its results in a yearly report that will be available upon request.

Please don't create a new thread for each draft. Use the edit button instead.

Merged.

Also, this is the NSUN, not a real-world model UN. This draft is full of real-world references that would require its immediate deletion. Pay a visit to the Rules for UN proposals (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465) thread.

Please don't create a new thread for each draft. Use the edit button instead.

Merged.

Also, this is the NSUN, not a real-world model UN. This draft is full of real-world references that would require its immediate deletion. Pay a visit to the Rules for UN proposals (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465) thread.

Sorry about that, I've never used the forum before. Also, real world refrences? Where are they, besides when Earth is mentioned?

Sorry about that, I've never used the forum before. Also, real world refrences? Where are they, besides when Earth is mentioned?

You mentioned the "United States."

You mentioned the "United States."

touchè :)

While we like the idea of encouraging hemp growing (for any reason), we aren't sure it's really an issue of international scope. This proposal is also really long-worded before it gets to its goals:

1. Legalizes and encourages the cultivation and processing of industrial hemp in all member nations.

Again, not an idea we think merits international intervention.

2. Establishes the World Hemp Commission (WHC) to standardize and enforce growing regulations and to provide educational materials to farmers to maximize yields. The WHC will also study and report the environmental and industrial impact of the new crop and report its results in a yearly report that will be available upon request.

While we commend the idea of studying the use and benefits of hemp and providing that data to other nations, we are wary of the "standardize and enforce growing regulations" section of that clause. What standards are going to be set, and how are they going to be enforced? Without much more clarification on that point, we'd have to oppose this proposal, since we don't know what we'd be getting farmers in our nation into otherwise. And we don't like signing a contract without knowing what's in it.

I am not sure that there is a resolution that prohibits the growth of hemp, and we commend your efforts thus far. I would like for you to remove the RL references and cut your preamble down a little bit.

As for the creation of an agency...I don't think that that is really necessary. Perhaps a revision along the lines of:

1. Encourages the legalization of hemp production where prohibited by law.

2. Acknowledges the various products that may be produced with hemp and hemp byproducts as being less damaging to the environment;

3. Promotes the drafting on national legislation regulating and standardizing of hemp production and the use of hemp products and byproducts.

Thats just my thoughts. Now, I'm going to go check and see if there might be a resolution blocking you, although I don't think that there is one.

Vladimir Khernynko
Elleltian Ambassador to the UN.

Sorry about that, I've never used the forum before. Also, real world refrences? Where are they, besides when Earth is mentioned?
- Definition provided by: http://www.industrialhemp.net

Links are fine in forum threads, but forbidden in proposal text. We just assume that the world of NationStates doesn't have a trust relationship with this other silly place, so naturally you'd have to use only .ns links. But we'd rather you didn't.

Okay, after a bit of digging I found two resolutions on the topic already passed by the UN. One is a resolution the other a repeal of that resolution. I am offering you both in the hopes that you do not make the same mistakes again.

Support Hemp Production



A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.

Category : Environmental
Industry Affected : All Businesses
Proposed by : The Avenging Angels

Description : BELIEVING that all nations should support the production and use of industrial hemp. Hemp needs to be recognized as a profitable and environmentally friendly crop.

EMPHASIZING that industrial hemp cannot be used as a drug.

REALIZING that hemp is suitable for industrial paper manufacturing, can be used for clothing and shoes, for use as a renewable energy source, and for use in food products. The increased demand for health food has stimulated the trade in shelled hemp seed while hemp oil is increasingly being used in the manufacturing of bodycare products. Hemp is High in protein and Omega-3 fatty acids.

RECOGNIZING that hemp is a sustainable, annual crop that is ready for harvest just 120 days after going to seed, much shorter then trees. Harvesting hemp doesn't destroy the natural habitats of thousands of distinct animal and plant species.

RECOGNIZING that hemp is a hardy plant that can grow easily and abundantly almost anywhere. Hemp can even be cultivated in arid regions with poor soil or in places with a very short growing season. Hemp requires little water or nutrients, and therefore can be grown without chemical fertilizers. Hemp is an ideal rotation crop for farmers worldwide. It puts down a taproot twelve inches long in only thirty days, preventing topsoil erosion.

RECOGNIZING that hemp's cellulose level is three times that of wood, so it makes superior paper products and yields four times as much pulp per acre as trees. The hemp paper process utilizes less energy and chemicals than tree paper processing and doesn't create the harmful dioxins, chloroform, or any of the other 2,000 chlorinated organic compounds that are byproducts of the wood paper process.

RECOMMEND that each nation set up an advisory board to oversee this program and its financial operation. The advisory board will be comprised of 8 officials and one director of the board. The advisory board will also be comprised of other workers to help these 8 officials and to help manage the work of this agency.

FURTHER REQUESTS that the director and these 8 officials be picked by the government of that nation. The director will have discretion in selecting additional employees.

SUGGESTS that these 8 officials be comprised of 2 economists, 2 ecologists, 2 agriculturalists (preferably having knowledge in cultivating hemp), and 2 biologists.

RECOMMENDS the advisory board have the power to provide incentives to farmers that grow or will grow hemp. There are two types of incentives that can be provided to these farmers:

1. Farmers who grow hemp will be given tax breaks. These tax breaks will be based on how much hemp the farmer grows, and the maximum tax break will be 45% for a yearly period.

2. Farmers will recieve monthly stipends, and will also be based on how much hemp they grow. The maximum stipend will be $10,000.

RECOMMENDS that the budget be based on how many farmers are involved in the program, and how much each farmer plans on growing. Farmers in the program will be asked to give a small percentage of their profits to the program. The percentage will be based on economic status of the farmer, and how much profit they are making. This should provide 30 % of the funds for the program, and the other 40% will come from the government, and the remaining 30% shall come from the United Nations.

Votes For : 11,017

Votes Against : 3,963

Implemented : Sun Jan 2 2005


That was struck out by this repeal.


Repeal "Support Hemp Production"



A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution

Category : Repeal
Resolution : #85
Proposed by : Leg-ends

Description : UN Resolution #85: Support Hemp Production (Category: Environmental; Industry Affected: All Businesses) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument : The United Nations,

AGREEING in principle with UN Resolution #85, "Support Hemp Production", that hemp is 'a profitable and environmentally friendly crop',

CAUTIOUS, however, of the resolution's effusive praise of hemp, offering no mention of any of the disadvantages of the hemp crop,

HIGHLIGHTING, for example, that hemp can only be harvested at specific times, whereas many other crops can be harvested throughout the year, thus making the use of hemp in processes requiring large, regular harvests considerably more difficult,

DISAPPOINTED that the resolution introduces no checks or balances in the creation and operational running of hemp advisory boards, thus rendering the process very open to corruption, unfair apportionment of funds, or the dissemination of unsuitable advice,

CRITICISING the system of stipends and subsidies proposed by the resolution, and the poor logic of such a scheme,

OBSERVING that if hemp is indeed as profitable and commercially viable as the resolution claims, such support would be unnecessary, wasteful, and would endanger competition,

FURTHER OBSERVING that if the projects did not prove viable and did in fact require such support, tax-payers would be forced to contribute large sums of money solely to keep unprofitable enterprises afloat,

APPALLED that such a burden would be placed not only upon tax-payers within specific nations, but on all UN member nations, through the mandate for the UN to contribute funds to such projects,

BELIEVING that government-enforced bias towards particular crops to be unfair as well as impractical, as it discourages specialisation and development of resources, and could lead to wasteful excess of certain crops and shortages of other essential varieties, especially those used towards the production of food,

FURTHER NOTING that placing special emphasis on one single crop risks ecological and economic catastrophe in the case of specific crop diseases, climate conditions or pest attacks affecting that crop;

CONSIDERING such flaws too critical to justify retaining the resolution and its bureaucratic, inefficient and wasteful system of finance:

1. REPEALS UN Resolution #85, "Support Hemp Production";

2. AFFIRMS that this repeal will not prohibit any nation from continuing such programs on a national level should they choose to do so, noting that their right to implement such schemes would remain protected by the UN under Resolution #128, "Representation in Taxation".

Co-authored by the members of ACCEL

Votes For : 9,311

Votes Against : 2,815

Implemented : Sun Sep 24 2006

It's still primarily a C&P job.

It's still primarily a C&P job.

No, no it really isn't. The information and figures are taken from somewhere else, but as far as I'm concerned that's all right considering that I am not a scientist. :headbang:

While we commend the idea of studying the use and benefits of hemp and providing that data to other nations, we are wary of the "standardize and enforce growing regulations" section of that clause. What standards are going to be set, and how are they going to be enforced? Without much more clarification on that point, we'd have to oppose this proposal, since we don't know what we'd be getting farmers in our nation into otherwise. And we don't like signing a contract without knowing what's in it.

I see your point and I have changed the way that it is worded to make the level of involvment from the "WHC" an option for member nations. I feel that now as good of a time as any to throw it to the NSUN.

The problem with this thing is that hemp is merely a biomass feedstock, a lot of biomass feedstocks, bamboo, rapeseed, sugar cane, have multiple uses. The statement here is almost a resolution to support what would go into a biorefinery. Hemp is only being used because of its drug significance. Other plants have a lot of similar properties. This is not a particularly effective resolution because of this.

The problem with this thing is that hemp is merely a biomass feedstock, a lot of biomass feedstocks, bamboo, rapeseed, sugar cane, have multiple uses. The statement here is almost a resolution to support what would go into a biorefinery. Hemp is only being used because of its drug significance. Other plants have a lot of similar properties. This is not a particularly effective resolution because of this.

For once, I think, we are in agreement.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

I do apologise. I misread your final paragraph; I now realize you were using "it's" correctly. Sorry.

Nope -- you had it right at the outset. The OP sentence was:

"There are many strong points for it's use listed."

Since the contraction form is short for "it is", try and substitute that for the contraction in the quoted sentence and tell me if it makes sense. Here:

"There are many strong points for it is use listed."

No good -- and that's how you tell. If you can sub in the contraction's longer version and the sentence makes the intended sense, then you've got the correct word. "Its" (without the apostrophe), is a pronoun possessive like "his" or "hers" and needs no apostrophe.

You had it right, Gruen.

I see your point and I have changed the way that it is worded to make the level of involvment from the "WHC" an option for member nations. I feel that now as good of a time as any to throw it to the NSUN.

If the only two drafts of this are the initial draft and the one from post 15, it's still not ready. Either post your new draft now or edit the first post with the latest draft (and link to it in a new post), then wait for responses.

Edit: I see you jumped the gun and posted it anyway. Will review it later.

Here's the posted copy.
Renewable Resource - Hemp
A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.
Category: Environmental
Industry Affected: All Businesses
Proposed by: Diamond Heist

Description: AWARE of the necessity of an environmentally friendly solution to the worldwide energy and environmental crisis. Industrial Hemp is that solution.

DEFINITION: “Industrial Hemp is a number of varieties of Cannabis sativa L. that are intended for agricultural and industrial purposes. They are grown for their seed and fiber content as well as the resulting byproducts such as oil, seed cake, hurds, etc. Industrial Hemp is characterized by being low in THC (delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol) and high in CBD (cannabidiol). THC is less than 1% and the ratio of CBD to THC is greater than one.”

USES: Fuel, paper, cloth, paint, plastic, protein, soap, oil, and over 25,000 other products with can be used in nearly every facet of life.

ADVANTAGES:
1. Hemp biomass can be converted into fuels such as methane, methanol, and gasoline more efficiently than fossil fuels without byproducts such as sulfur.

2. Plastics derived from industrial hemp are biodegradable and are stronger than their petroleum derived counterparts which are not.

3. One acre of hemp produces four times as much paper as one acre of timber with little to no environmental repercussion when the crop is removed.

4. Hemp requires very little pesticide (if any at all) whereas cotton is grown on 3% of cropland and accounts for 26% of overall pesticide use; therefore, hemp is a much more environmentally responsible crop.

5. Hemp will grow in a wide range of climates across the world. In some warmer climates it can be grown year round. Generally a full hemp crop takes three to four months to fully develop; therefore, in many places in the world two crops can be grown and harvested in the same growing season. The economical and social benefits would be felt especially in developing countries.

6. Similar to soybeans, pressed hemp seeds are comprised of seed oil and seed meal. The seed is approximately 30-35% oil by weight and can be used for:

A. Food: Hemp seed oil contains over 70% polyunsaturated or cholesterol-fighting essential fatty acids and contains all eight essential amino acids. The seed meal itself contains 25% protein which can be used to fortify other foods. Whole seeds can also be eaten by humans and animals alike and contains 20% digestible complete protein.

B. Fuel: When hemp seed oil is mixed with methanol (which is derived from the plant biomass) a bio-diesel fuel is created that burns 70% cleaner than petroleum based diesel fuel.

The technologies to use hemp as a renewable fuel are already available. It's time that we take some responsibility as human beings and make a conscious decision to take care of our world and consequentially, ourselves.

This resolution hereby:

1. Legalizes and encourages the cultivation and processing of industrial hemp in all member nations.

2. Establishes the World Hemp Commission (WHC) to recommend growing regulations to nations and to provide educational materials to farmers to maximize yields. The level of involvement of the WHC in the agricultural industry will be determined by the individual member nation. The WHC will also study and report the environmental and industrial impact of the new crop in cooperating member nations and report its results in a yearly report that will be available upon request.
Explain to me please how this is "A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry." All I see you doing is legalizing a crop that isn't currently illegal, and providing a non-binding education committee. You're theoretically reducing pesticide use to help the environment, but the only expense to Industry is a slight reduction in pesticide purchases, which hardly affects All Business.

Sorry, but from my perspective this is an essay in support of something that isn't illegal. It's a category violation (and no, there isn't a better category for it). Just because The Avenging Angels slipped the prior one through on this category doesn't make it legal. Even ignoring that, his operative clauses were closer to having an anti-industry effect than your clauses. Remember, that's what Environmental proposals DO.

There are some things that the NSUN just isn't equipped to propose, and this sure looks like one of them.

The problem with this thing is that hemp is merely a biomass feedstock, a lot of biomass feedstocks, bamboo, rapeseed, sugar cane, have multiple uses. The statement here is almost a resolution to support what would go into a biorefinery. Hemp is only being used because of its drug significance. Other plants have a lot of similar properties. This is not a particularly effective resolution because of this.

Yes, it does have a drug significance. It is one small step toward the legalization of marijuana for recreational use in reality. I will not deny that. Realistically though, hemp is a better source for biomass than these other crops you mention because of how easy it is to grow, the wide range of climates it can grow in, and the amount of crop producted per acre. I think worldwide in NationStates hemp production is illegal because of the repeal of the other industrial hemp proposal also deemed as crap, which is why I made a new one.

I may have "jumped the gun" putting this to the UN allready, but from what I hear in this forum is (in my opinion) generally not constructive. Maybe it's just me, probally is, but I don't really care. It's in the UN now, if it goes; neat, if not, oh well (it is just a game, right?).

Apologies to anyone offended in this short rant. I'm sure that you're all nice people. I'm just a little disgruntled. Laugh at the madness pouring out of Diamond Heist. Did you know that laugher releases many of the same chemicals in the brain as sex does? It's a little natural high that makes people nicer! :eek: SHOCK! I leave you for the day on that note. ;)

I may have "jumped the gun" putting this to the UN allready, but from what I hear in this forum is (in my opinion) generally not constructive. Maybe it's just me, probally is, but I don't really care. It's in the UN now, if it goes; neat, if not, oh well (it is just a game, right?).

When you look under my name and see an avatar and that tag that says "NationStates Moderator Team", don't necessarily look for constructive criticism. What I posted was a legality challenge. The difference between my comments and other players is that I will give you warnings for posting illegal proposals. Three of those, and you get ejected from the UN.

At this point, I'm waiting for you to respond with a justification for posting this under Environmental. If you can provide a sufficent rationalization, I might let it slide. Fail at that, and your proposal will be removed and you'll get a warning.

It may be just a game, but it has rules. You need to follow them.

Oh shit, not another frakking hemp proposal.:rolleyes:

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

When you look under my name and see an avatar and that tag that says "NationStates Moderator Team", don't necessarily look for constructive criticism. What I posted was a legality challenge. The difference between my comments and other players is that I will give you warnings for posting illegal proposals. Three of those, and you get ejected from the UN.

At this point, I'm waiting for you to respond with a justification for posting this under Environmental. If you can provide a sufficent rationalization, I might let it slide. Fail at that, and your proposal will be removed and you'll get a warning.

It may be just a game, but it has rules. You need to follow them.

I'm not talking about just you in reguards to constructive critcism... I realize that you are a moderator and it's your job to be legal and such. Not everyone is a moderator, there may be some engilsh majors or something floating around here. :)

Anyway:
I was thinking about putting it under andvancement of industry but none of the subsequent catagories really fit. I put it under environmental because the environment would be the main beneficiary of the utilization of hemp. I realize that it really doesnt come at an expense to industry, in my mind it fits best where I put it. The environmental benefits are in my proposal quite numerously... If you do not see my point (or even if you do) where would you liked to have seen it?

If you do not see my point (or even if you do) where would you liked to have seen it?
The usual response is that you've got it the wrong way round. You can't write a proposal and then ask for someone else to pick a category: you have to write the proposal with category in mind.

Yes, it does have a drug significance. It is one small step toward the legalization of marijuana for recreational use in reality. I will not deny that.
*snip*
I think worldwide in NationStates hemp production is illegal because of the repeal of the other industrial hemp proposal also deemed as crap, which is why I made a new one.
*snip*


Uh...I don't see any resolutions in the UN that make either dope hemp illegal. I know that as soon as I say that, I'll have overlooked the resolution which makes me a liar, but marijuana for controlled recreational use and its myriad industrial uses has been a staple of Intangelonian society since its discovery.

I think worldwide in NationStates hemp production is illegal because of the repeal of the other industrial hemp proposal also deemed as crap, which is why I made a new one.
The first resolution made hemp legal in the UN member nations where it was already illegal. It had no net effect in nations which either had it legal or had no opinion.

The repeal had only one effect - to remove the MANDATORY legality from the international sphere and hand the choice back to the nations. Unless the nations chose to ban production after the repeal went into effect, it's still legal there.

In short, don't assume that current US policy translates to the NSUN. If it's not explicitly legistated in a passed UN resolution, it's entirely up to the member nations to legislate or not legislate on their own.

The first resolution made hemp legal in the UN member nations where it was already illegal. It had no net effect in nations which either had it legal or had no opinion.

The repeal had only one effect - to remove the MANDATORY legality from the international sphere and hand the choice back to the nations. Unless the nations chose to ban production after the repeal went into effect, it's still legal there.

In short, don't assume that current US policy translates to the NSUN. If it's not explicitly legistated in a passed UN resolution, it's entirely up to the member nations to legislate or not legislate on their own.

I understand what you're saying. I would like to point out thogh that it does say encourages member nations. Is it not informative? It's not worthless, it isn't illegal, and honestly I don't see why it's so imperative that it be torn apart. If it passes to an actual vote then obviously it has some substinance, if not then you don't have anything to worry about. Why not let the people decide?

Also in response to grundberg (or whatever). I did have a catagory in mind which is what I was explaining (and why it's in the catagoy I want). I asked for opinion, not what to do. I really don't care so much what the answer is. It's just for future refrence so next time I can do this more professionally and not get beaten around by minute "legalities"! :headbang:

If it passes to an actual vote then obviously it has some substinance, if not then you don't have anything to worry about. Why not let the people decide?
That's not how it works, DH. The proposal has an in-game effect on every UN member nation. If that effect does not match the text of the proposal, we delete it. You can't create an International Security proposal with the text, "Every citizen in every UN nation gets a million dollars and a birthday cake." It might be popular, but it's not legal, and we wouldn't leave it up there. (If that was proposed as Social Justice, we might consider it legal, but silly)

I'm still waiting for a justification on the category. If your entire defense of your choice is "The environmental benefits are in my proposal quite numerously", then I'll be deleting it.

Hemp is only being used because of its drug significance.That's not true. Every plant has its good and bad qualities; every plant has its value.

The reason we need hemp legislation is because hemp has been stigmatized. Legitimate products made with hemp are sometimes barred from competition for no better reason than the would-be importer doesn't like hemp.

Good hemp legislation would create a level playing field for hemp in international trade; it would require nations to treat hemp fairly rather than reacting in knee-jerk fashion to the plant on the basis of false assumptions.

That said, we do not feel that all nations must legalize hemp cultivation; each nation should be free to weigh the costs and benefits of hemp in the ecological balance, and make its own decision on the matter. Hence, Community Property will not support this legislation as it stands.

As far as category goes, this should be an “Advancement of Industry” proposal of some kind.

Wouldn't this fit in Free Trade? It's removing trade barriers, i.e. bans on hemp.

Wouldn't this fit in Free Trade? It's removing trade barriers, i.e. bans on hemp.I don't think so.

Remember how the categories work: Free Trade <-> Social Justice; Advancement of Industry <-> Environment. While hemp proponents will argue that hemp cultivation reduces harm to the environment, generally any increase in farming (or business overall) is at the expense of the environment. With free trade, on the other hand, comes economic dislocation due to globalization.

So does hemp farming hurt the environment, or does it lead to greater unemployment, reduced wages, and greater income inequality? I would argue neither, but if I had to pick - and in assigning categories you always do - I'd say Advancement of Industry was closer.

As far as category goes, this should be an “Advancement of Industry” proposal of some kind.

That's what I was thinking earlier too.

I don't think so.

Remember how the categories work: Free Trade <-> Social Justice; Advancement of Industry <-> Environment. While hemp proponents will argue that hemp cultivation reduces harm to the environment, generally any increase in farming (or business overall) is at the expense of the environment. With free trade, on the other hand, comes economic dislocation due to globalization.

So does hemp farming hurt the environment, or does it lead to greater unemployment, reduced wages, and greater income inequality? I would argue neither, but if I had to pick - and in assigning categories you always do - I'd say Advancement of Industry was closer.

According to the rules, Free Trade corresponds to an increase in economic freedom, which is what this would do. It doesn't say it has to be international.

Remember how the categories work: Free Trade <-> Social Justice; Advancement of Industry <-> Environment.Those are guidelines. They aren't exact opposites.

I wouldn't mind if this was put in as free trade. We after all do sell hemp for medicinal and industrial purposes. This really is not an environmental proposal. The main problem I have with this is that we don't want to expose a crop which we have a distinct advantage in price because it is illegal in many countries. If this was free trade, we could move from selling it illegally as a drug to selling it as an industrial product which would be much preferred.

... because it is illegal in many countries.
... selling it illegally as a drug ...
Again, who in NS has this stance? I understand that the USA and its bogus 'war on drugs' may have targetted this crop and pressured trading partners into adopting similar positions, but you're trying to impress us with a real-world situation that simply doesn't have parallels here.

If a NS nation sees the industrial value, they'll grow the crop. If a theocracy or dictatorship thinks it's a threat, they'll ban it. Passing a UN law doesn't do anything for those already in compliance, and those who disagree will probably (once again) resign their memberships to keep it illegal.

It's a fine windmill you're tilting at here, but we've seen it before, and we're bored with it. Time to move on.