NationStates Jolt Archive

The Government of The Republic of the People of Neudegg invite comments, recommendations and legality assessments of my nations UN Draft Proposal.

I also invite suggestions as to what category this UN proposal is best suited to.

Air Traffic Control Act

The United Nations,

BELIEVING that International air travel needs regulation and standardisation across UN member nations,

REALISING that aeroplane accidents can be caused due to inadequate Air Traffic Control measures or differing and confusing systems in different nations,

RECOGNISING individual member nation’s right to provide levels of funding they deem adequate for Air Traffic Control systems in their own countries,

The Air Traffic Control Act provides that:

1. Air Traffic Controllers and Aeroplane Pilots must use English as the only communicating language in order to standardise communication and remove language barriers when aircraft switch from system to system;

2. Air Traffic Control services must be available for private, military and commercial aircraft;

3. Air Traffic Control services must be available in all airspace in UN member nations, provided by and the responsibility of that UN member nation which the airspace falls in the borders of;

4. Terminal/Airport control services (relating to aircraft on the terminal surface or airborne in the immediate area) and En-route control services must have different centres and different Air Traffic Controllers;

5. No call signs of aircraft can be the same across all UN member nations. This Act establishes the UN Call Sign Assignment Agency which has power to assign call signs;

6. Air Traffic Controllers must be of sufficient and adequate body and mind, deemed and regulated by the individual UN member nations.

It could be an Advancement of Industry proposal, couldn't it? But it doesn't really seem to fit into any category too well, unless I have overlooked something. Does English counts as a RL reference?

Hmm, you might want to rethink this a bit, there are multiple levels of technology in Nation States. We have antigrav hover ships, jet blimp liners where you can travel in style, and other things. It might be better as air and space traffic control.

Does English counts as a RL reference?
Good question! I know some things from RL, like Nazis, exist in NS, but I don't recall ever seeing a reference to "English" in any issue.

Does English counts as a RL reference?
We've allowed it in the past, so no, not a cause for deletion.

I also invite suggestions as to what category this UN proposal is best suited to.
The problem with this approach is that you won't FIND a category. You need to PICK a category and slant the proposal so it fits properly. Failure to meet the category requirements is one of the most common reasons for proposal deletions and warnings. Go back to the starting line, pick a category, and then show us your edited version.

I could see my self voting against this resolution for a few reasons.

1. We do not have the right to tell member nations which languange their pilots may speak, some nations do not even have any english speakers!

2. It is the nation's responsibility to find the controller's system beofre they fly into the airspace, it is not the un's job to regulate it.

Mainly those 2

I agree with New alchemy. Although we in Paradica speak English as our official language, the UN must recognize that many nations don't.

Why should English be the language used? Why not French, or Gaelic (my personal favorite, actually), or Swahili... or Klingon, or Estarian, or even Liliputian?

This proposal creates a sort of Language Discrimination conflict of sorts similar to Quebec's Language laws.

How about saying the offical language of the United Nations?

The point is so there are no communication barriers causing safety problems between centres and pilots on cross-nation International flights.

Many UN delegates don't speak English either- many of us use translators of one form or another... so why force all our pilots to learn it? Despite what you may think, many people find English to be incredbly hard to learn as a second language. And are you expecting the Nations to force Airline Companies, etc to fall in line with this policy- not to mention having airports being forced to pay for training in English, etc?

And what is the the Official Language of the UN? I really don't know if there is one.

And what is the the Official Language of the UN? I really don't know if there is one.

Here are a couple of clues for you. What language are these discussions in? What language are the UN resolutions in?

Hmmm...tough one...

And what is the the Official Language of the UN? I really don't know if there is one.Here are a couple of clues for you. What language are these discussions in? What language are the UN resolutions in?
Actually there isn't one. It's been proposed before and always failed to make quorum. English may be the language of convenience (and there's a metagaming rule that prevents it from use in the proposals), but it's not official. Referring to English as the official language of the UN would be sufficient reason to delete this proposals.


Why should English be the language used? He needed to pick one, so he did. When you write your proposal, you can pick one.
This proposal creates a sort of Language Discrimination conflict of sorts similar to Quebec's Language laws.
That has to be the silliest thing I've read yet. Nobody is discriminating about anyone's ability to speak more than one language anywhere but in cockpit-to-tower conversations. If you're going to oppose something, do it for legitimate reasons.

Actually there isn't one. It's been proposed before and always failed to make quorum. English may be the language of convenience (and there's a metagaming rule that prevents it from use in the proposals), but it's not official. Referring to English as the official language of the UN would be sufficient reason to delete this proposals.

OOC: Is that really true? I seem to recall reading somewhere (although I can't remember where) that it is official. I could just be in my usual morning haze, though...

It has been proven that English is one of the hardest languages to learn. Consider the fact that many many people are unable to speak English well unless it's your first language. French, for example, is much easier to learn. Assuming someone already knows neither, you'd be better off making them speak French. (Substitute Spanish, or really any other Latin language here.)

Meh! English is so easy, a child could learn it. ;) Seroiusly, there's nothing particulary easy about the Romance languages. I think Spanish has about 50 verb conjugations, and I've heard that French is harder than Spanish.

Language wise, the best course of action is to use "seaspeak"; which, for all intents and purposes, is English, but with proscribed phrasing and words for certain scenarios, to save confusion.

For example, "say again" is used when you need the chap to repeat something, instead of saying "what?" or "pardon?" or "I say, old chap, you could perhaps reiterate the previous statement, by any chance", and "mayday" instead of "shit, we're crashing" or "I say, the ground's getting somewhat close. A bit close for comfort, actually old boy" or "Oh for the love of God, somebody help us! Please! Dear God! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh"

That sort of thing