NationStates Jolt Archive

DESCRIPTION the government should pay for some things people are paying for, only some!

CONCERNING that government isn't paying for health care and social welfare.

DETERMINING that government will pay for ______ because ___

(I) HEALTH CARE Is not it the purpose of the government to provide protection for it's people? well, the government should pay for health care, because that is protecting the people's will to live.

(II) SOCIAL WELFARE the government should protect it's people from being homeless, which leads to health problems. Also, if the government cared for it's people, would they let them go poor? no! at least give them some money!

In all, the government should be responsible for a lot of things, not just foreign affairs!

Does this include Food, Housing, Clothing, Child Care, Education, Entertainment, Chocolate, Internet, Cosmetic surgery... in other words... everything?

includes paying for all health care, and paying 5% of tax income to government to charity.

I would not vote for this resolution. Health-care and Social Welfare are issues for individual nations. Not the UN.

We are a Communist nation and have a single payer health-care system...that is the Government pays for everyone's health-care. But there are countries which would not like that system. I am sure they would not wish to be forced to have a system that does not fit with their political ideology or possibly their economic development.

Likewise we would vote against a resolution which would have the opposite effect.

Everyone receives daily issues...maybe this should be one of those issues...but it is not something that should be dealt with by a UN resolution.

Vladimir Khernynko
Elleltian Ambassador to the UN.

DESCRIPTION the government should pay for things that are usually payed by people. mark that out if this law is passed!


My concern is the phrasing here. If you want to have the Government to pay for Healthcare, and other Social Programs- in addition to the Charitable Donation, then in the description, you should say so... this phrasing simply states that the Government should pay for things people pay for... which is pretty much, everything.

the UN is affecting all the nations, to change the individuality, into a better one.

P.S. I am communist to, you know. right on.:)

My concern is the phrasing here. If you want to have the Government to pay for Healthcare, and other Social Programs- in addition to the Charitable Donation, then in the description, you should say so... this phrasing simply states that the Government should pay for things people pay for... which is pretty much, everything.

Listen. I said the government shuld pay for these things. to fullfill the governments duty of PROTECTING IT'S PEOPLE! the definition! hello!

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"You asked advice and opinions... I gave it... You don't want it... don't ask, please?"

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"You asked advice and opinions... I gave it... You don't want it... don't ask, please?"

sorry bout rudeness. didn't mean to. anyway, what is your thought now? I changed it! thx for advice

Even though i'm a socialist naiton. I would vote no for it as it has no real balls to it. I see no way for it to enforce this if my nation were to decide to not go with it and make our own thing. And most nations in the United Nations here are not socialist nor communist so why would they want to spend money on something that they feel is harmful to their naiton?

Even though i'm a socialist naiton. I would vote no for it as it has no real balls to it. I see no way for it to enforce this if my nation were to decide to not go with it and make our own thing. And most nations in the United Nations here are not socialist nor communist so why would they want to spend money on something that they feel is harmful to their naiton?

this is something that is not only suitable for communist/socialists. heard of France? France is a democracy, yet is does these things! not much poor people there, am I wrong? most of europe is that way, for crying out loud! you may reply to this now.

Then as a communist you should recognize that some systems of government and economics would be incompatible with your proposal. A nomadic tribe for example would not be sufficiently culturally or economically developed to have a choice regarding health-care. They wouldn't have a health-care system at all.

As for changing the individuality of nations...I have been a NS player for over a month now. Most people wouldn't go for that. There are capitalist countries, socialist countries, and communist countries here. Each has a right to determine for themselves what their government pays for and what it does not pay for, regardless of what the opinion of other nations is.

I highly doubt that you yourself would like to have any form of capitalism shoved down your throat. I know I wouldn't. Likewise, capitalist countries would not like for socialism shoved down their throats.

Further I do not think that it fits the social justice category as it does not mandate how incomes/wages/benefits would be more equitably distributed. However, I am by no means a mod...but you could ask one of them for a ruling on it.

Vladimir Khernynko.
Elleltian Ambassador to the UN.

Even though i'm a socialist naiton. I would vote no for it as it has no real balls to it. I see no way for it to enforce this if my nation were to decide to not go with it and make our own thing. And most nations in the United Nations here are not socialist nor communist so why would they want to spend money on something that they feel is harmful to their naiton?

there is no need to be socialist/communist to do this! most of europe does this and they are democrats!

Then as a communist you should recognize that some systems of government and economics would be incompatible with your proposal. A nomadic tribe for example would not be sufficiently culturally or economically developed to have a choice regarding health-care. They wouldn't have a health-care system at all.

As for changing the individuality of nations...I have been a NS player for over a month now. Most people wouldn't go for that. There are capitalist countries, socialist countries, and communist countries here. Each has a right to determine for themselves what their government pays for and what it does not pay for, regardless of what the opinion of other nations is.

I highly doubt that you yourself would like to have any form of capitalism shoved down your throat. I know I wouldn't. Likewise, capitalist countries would not like for socialism shoved down their throats.

Further I do not think that it fits the social justice category as it does not mandate how incomes/wages/benefits would be more equitably distributed. However, I am by no means a mod...but you could ask one of them for a ruling on it.

Vladimir Khernynko.
Elleltian Ambassador to the UN.

listen. in Europe, there are mostly countries that do this socialist program, and they are democrats!

Look, most of europe is democratic, and they do this socialist program! democratic socialists! trust me, I know.

DESCRIPTION the government should pay for some things people are paying for, only some!

CONCERNING that government isn't paying for health care and social welfare.And if the nation of Whogivesafuckistan isn't providing health care for their citizens, why is that anything I need to be worrying about?

DETERMINING that government will pay for ______ because ___ Ooo, do we get to fill in the blanks ourselves? In that case I'll put "hookers" into the first blank and "people need to have sex" in the second.

(I) HEALTH CARE Is not it the purpose of the government to provide protection for it's people? well, the government should pay for health care, because that is protecting the people's will to live. And why should the government be forced to provide healthcare to people who can afford to pay for their own?

(II) SOCIAL WELFARE the government should protect it's people from being homeless, which leads to health problems. Also, if the government cared for it's people, would they let them go poor? no! at least give them some money! Throwing money at the poor is not the solution to poverty.

includes paying for all health care, and paying 5% of tax income to government to charity.Wait, wait, wait, you want 5% of all income taxes collected to be given to charity. Why not just give the people a 5% tax break and tell them to give the money to charity themself and cut out the middleman?

Listen. I said the government shuld pay for these things. to fullfill the governments duty of PROTECTING IT'S PEOPLE! the definition! hello!You know, how a government spends it money is none of the UN business.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

This needs a lot of work if it's even going to have a passing familiarity with legality.

It's so badly written that I would have to vote against it even if it protected my citizens from socialism.

Welcome to the UN Fahadia,

Hope you don't mind if I give it a once over. I'll probably vote against it (which I'll go into later) but I still don't mind lending a hand to see about improving this :) DESCRIPTION the government should pay for some things people are paying for, only some!Okay, but you need to explain why the government should be paying for them rather than simply asserting the govenment should. It will make for a stronger proposal if other member states can understand this.CONCERNING that government isn't paying for health care and social welfare.There is some grammar issues here, and you could do with explaining this a little further - what makes you think it is an issue that some governments do not pay?DETERMINING that government will pay for ______ because ___

(I) HEALTH CARE Is not it the purpose of the government to provide protection for it's people? well, the government should pay for health care, because that is protecting the people's will to live.

(II) SOCIAL WELFARE the government should protect it's people from being homeless, which leads to health problems. Also, if the government cared for it's people, would they let them go poor? no! at least give them some money!Be careful about lapsing into rhetoric. These sections should be doing something, rather than discussing them.

In all, the government should be responsible for a lot of things, not just foreign affairs!Same here.

includes paying for all health care, and paying 5% of tax income to government to charity.How exactly would anyone be able to determine this from the present text?

I agree with the majority of my fellow member states that this needs a lot of work. So here is my advice.

Divide it into two sections - a preamble (why this needs to be implemented, what have you noticed that is a big problem), and the meat of the proposal (what this intends to do about it). Then bring it back here, and we can look again. At present, it's a lot of preamble, and very little substance.

Finally, little side point about France - it's about the closest thing to a socialist nation in western europe. Still, it has statutory health insurance, not a health service paid for by the government.

Ooo, do we get to fill in the blanks ourselves? In that case I'll put "hookers" into the first blank and "people need to have sex" in the second.



Please do, Bob.

Sincerely,
Bala (http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/9276/bala8if.jpg)
Cluichstani Deputy Ambassador to the UN
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I would still be more at ease if that first sentance declared that the whole document was refering to the Health and Social Services, it still sounds too vague of an opening. It should be more precise as to it's intent, so that before we go on to the rest (and thus discover exactly what he's refering you), we can have at least some idea that he's saying that Government should pay for Health and Social Services.

Then he can go on to explain exactly what aspect of such Services the Government should pay for, possibly how, and argue for the reasons as to why it's required on a Moral, and Economical basis.

But of, course, I'm just a "polite neophyte," so please feel free to ingore this input...