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Hey everyone I really want to get this proposal ready so I can post it for endorsing then voting please tell me what you think. Thanks


REAFFIRMING the inalienable rights: "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” these rights found in many constitutions throughout the world.

Understanding and Acknowledging: The many women victimized through rape and incest.

Recognizing: That since the begging in of the issue of abortion, numerous organizations have been established with the single goal of aiding mothers of rape and incest in order to bring a generation of children into the world who could adds to the great nations of the NS world.

Declaring: Abortions of any stage in pregnancy illegal unless the birth of the child in any way would cause the death of the mother.

Calling for: The UN’s aide both financially and through aide of personnel in establishing Organizations to aide woman of rape, incest and poor decisions who wish to either keep their child or in recovery of traumatic experiences. Also calling for the establishment of Adoption Agencies to find homes for the children whose parents are not ready or cannot take on the responsibilities or parenting. These organizations will aide mothers financially if they wish to parent and if schooling is lost or scholarships taken.

Your proposal seems to be illegal. We have the Abortion Legality Convention (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10737905&postcount=148)

Your proposal contradicts this. Next time, try looking through the list of Passed NSUN Resolutions. (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=357572)

You need two proposals. The first has to be a Repeal of Abortion Legality Convention, and it can only contain reasons why the existing resolution is wrong and why it should be repealed.

Once that repeal has passed (not just been posted, but approved and passed), you can put up your replacement calling for a ban on abortions. All of the bits above that are new law may only be in the replacement.

Before you start, you should be aware that the abortion-themed proposals have been some of the most acrimonious and bitter fights in UN history. Take a look over prior resolutions and attempts to see what you're in for ...

Abortion (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=285457)
Abortion Debate, Mk 2 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=288314)
PASSED: Abortion Rights [Official Topic] (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=330813)
National Sovriengty and Abortion Rights repeal (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=377743)
PASSED: Repeal "Abortion Rights" [Official Topic] (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=465009)
Abortion Legality Convention (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=468922)
PASSED: Abortion Legality Convention [Official Topic] (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471254)

Now those are just the topics with over 300 replies in each. There have been tons of other topics, most of which were probably closed for excessive flaming and flamebaiting.

This is not a new topic to NationStates. People have strong opinions, and the majority of them (judging by vote totals) disagree with your position. You're going to have a hard sell to get this crowd to repeal the current proposal, and an even harder sell to get your replacement voted in. But if that's what you want to do ... get writing. Just don't post ANYTHING on the proposal list until this crowd agrees that it's legal.

You might want to look over the Rules for UN Proposals as well. It's a sticky at the top of the page, but because I try to be a nice person, here's the link:

http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465

If you do decide to go through with this, I wish you luck.

Thanks everyone. I am definatly going to try and get this thru. I originaly tried to get the other abortion law repealed but had some issues. If anyone would like to help me outline it from the material i have please feel free to. Thanks

If you do decide to go through with this, I wish you luck.

I, on the other hand, don't. I don't want to have to go through another debate about abortion.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

I, on the other hand, don't. I don't want to have to go through another debate about abortion.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

I was trying to be nice, Bob.

Tana Petrov
UN Representative
Queendom of Karmicaria

My Nation will not vote to ban Abortion when there is a Medical Need- such as giving birth would endanger the Mother's health.

My nation will not only not vote for this but will heavily campaign against it oin the floor of the UN, furthermore this proposal is illegal under the house of cards rule and is unimplementable as it would require multiple vetoes before it could be voted on or take effect.

I would vote against a repeal of the abortion convention.

As was mentioned abortion is a very controversial topic and any attempt to legislate on abortion should be taken with extreme care. Ellelt is in favor of a woman's right to choose to abort or not abort as she sees fit, even though abortion in our nation is rare due to our expansive social programs that promote birth.

Further I would like to add that we feel that abortion is an issue that is best dealt with on the national rather than the international level.

We'd be opposed to this as well. Abortion, though some may find it distasteful, doesn't seem like a matter that requires international intervention.

My nation will not only not vote for this but will heavily campaign against it oin the floor of the UN, furthermore this proposal is illegal under the house of cards rule and is unimplementable as it would require multiple vetoes before it could be voted on or take effect.

Not an HoC violation, but it is illegal, because it contradicts the ALC.

Even if ALC is repealed, which would be a tough job on its own, I really can't see an abortion ban proposal passing. While the UN seems to have suffered a small swing to the right recently, I doubt that would be enough to carry a ban through. Get it to quorum, perhaps, but pass the floor vote, probably not.

A carefully written proposal legalising abortion however, would have a much better chance I feel, and a repeal of ALC would leave the door open for just that ;).

Unfortunately, that is not this Member's Agenda... so most likely this topic will ultimately become one of heated bickering and possibly dueling...

Even if ALC is repealed, which would be a tough job on its own, I really can't see an abortion ban proposal passing. While the UN seems to have suffered a small swing to the right recently, I doubt that would be enough to carry a ban through. Get it to quorum, perhaps, but pass the floor vote, probably not.

A carefully written proposal legalising abortion however, would have a much better chance I feel, and a repeal of ALC would leave the door open for just that ;).

Neither a ban nor a legalisation has a good chance of passing (though I'll admit that legalisation is more likely to pass). The ALC, though, should never be repealed, as this body has no business sticking its bloody nose into the issue in the first place, and the ALC was designed to prevent it from doing so.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Neither a ban nor a legalisation has a good chance of passing (though I'll admit that legalisation is more likely to pass). The ALC, though, should never be repealed, as this body has no business sticking its bloody nose into the issue in the first place, and the ALC was designed to prevent it from doing so.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

My post is just a heads up for the person planning all this of what could, and is more likely to, happen if ALC is repealed, which is the total opposite of what he/she wants. I won't be responsible for another CAR, had enough hostility last time and am sick of the subject, but that won't stop others.

Not everyone agrees that abortion is something the UN should not legislate on, because it is considered by many as a human right for women, as you already know from arguements we've had in the past, which I certainly don't want to revisit now :).

Sir Cyril unlocks a sticky draw his desk in the General assembly using a rusty old key, and pulls out a small cardboard box, covered in dust. He opens the box from the top, and looks through the contents, until he finds what he's looking for

"Whilst the use of these may be frowned upon, and I have resisted the urge to use them for quite some time, I feel it is appropriate at this time"

http://test256.free.fr/UN%20Cards/notagain.jpg

Grand Utoy Stewey looks over Sir Cyril's shoulder, and starts chuckling.

"Where, pray tell, may I purchase a set of those?"

You should have received a set in your registration packet. If not, send the Ace of Spades and one other card to UN Cards Incorporated, 22045, Erewhon City, NSUN Insurance, and they'll send you a new pack.

Art Webster
Ambassador to the United Nations

Before you start, you should be aware that the abortion-themed proposals have been some of the most acrimonious and bitter fights in UN history. Take a look over prior resolutions and attempts to see what you're in for ...

Abortion (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=285457)
Abortion Debate, Mk 2 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=288314)
PASSED: Abortion Rights [Official Topic] (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=330813)
National Sovriengty and Abortion Rights repeal (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=377743)
PASSED: Repeal "Abortion Rights" [Official Topic] (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=465009)
Abortion Legality Convention (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=468922)
PASSED: Abortion Legality Convention [Official Topic] (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471254)

Now those are just the topics with over 300 replies in each. There have been tons of other topics, most of which were probably closed for excessive flaming and flamebaiting.

I had a lot of fun in several of those debates. If it comes up again, I'll probably have a lot of fun again.

But this time, I'll be on the side of the liberals. I'm not in favor of outlawing abortion, just in favor of your nation's right to do so.

Thou the Federation of Windurst stands furm on anti abortion issues We belive repealing ALC is just stupied. Many of us do not wish to go tehrw those fights again. SO drop your idea my good boy or you'll find a meteor heading toward your nation. BWHAHAHAHAHA

http://test256.free.fr/UN%20Cards/chechnya.jpg

Bring on the repeal!

I'll vote yes for the repeal, and no for this draft. Then I'll submit my own pro-choice proposal and when this fails, and mine passes, you'll be in a worst position than you were before.

Leave it alone FMI - it's just a big can of worms that should be left firmly closed.

Oh, and NS UN cards: http://test256.free.fr/UN%20Cards/cards.htm