NationStates Jolt Archive

Education Monument Act
Category: Educational and Creativity
Strength: Artistic

Monuments are an important fact of history in U.N member states and in other member states. Monuments recognize an event or a person that is extremely important for people of a U.N member state and for tourists who would be interested in such a monument. Monuments also vary in size, or (creation) as they can either be bronze or silver and they beautify U.N member states as well as hold the history of a member-state and be a 'cashcow' for tourists to view.

The art of Monument creation is thus extremely important for U.N member states for the reasons stated above and deserves U.N protection.

Article 1:

This resolution urges that U.N. member states protect monument (artists) from economic disadvantages they may face from other (industries, and businesses) that might want to use the same resources that artists need to make monuments.

Article 2:

From article (1) article two proposes ways to lift the economic burden of artists so that they can make their monuments;

(i) Have a 10% decrease in prices for monument artists if they are U.N member-state recognized as a monument artist.
(ii) Storing a certain percentage of member-state marble, bronze, gold, and other resources for the use of monument artists alone.
(iii) Declare monument artists as government servants and thus they can use a portion of the governmental budget to fund such monument projects.

Article 3:

The creation of high school programs in U.N member states to help educate students in the field of monument building and hopefully educating students in getting into that field to create monuments in the future.

Stole some of the Late Larebil's stash, did you?

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

He likes playing the Egyptians in “Age of Mythology”.

<Hefts axe>

I prefer the Norse.

<Thunk!>

Shouldn't this be a Social Justice measure (providing roosts for homeless pigeons)?

Seriously, wouldn't it just be easier to fund education?

This is far too specific and intrusive. I applaud the general sentiment behind it, but this really is a matter for national, not international, legislation.


Christelle Zyryanov,
Ambassador to the United Nations,
PDSRA

This is far too specific and intrusive. I applaud the general sentiment behind it, but this really is a matter for national, not international, legislation.


Christelle Zyryanov,
Ambassador to the United Nations,
PDSRA


Sheik Nadnerb passes out from the shock.

Christelle glances at the pale, unconscious sheik, shrugs, smiles faintly and continues to listen to the debate.

OOC: Monument artists? What the fuck? Are bronze statues really that important?

OOC: Monument artists? What the fuck? Are bronze statues really that important?

Aren't you just supposed to just blindly agree based on the title? :p

OOC: Only with the UN delegate of the UN, or with UN decisions once implemented. Then again, that's my IC nature, my OOC nature is quite different.

OK I'm going to do something strange here, I'm going to take this ball and run with it. But honestly, why this is any way better to simply making governments constantly buy monuments at fair prices thus keeping monument artists employed is beyond me. Isn't this really a case of supply and demand?

Education Monument Act
Category: Educational and Creativity
Strength: Artistic

Monuments are an important fact of history in U.N member states and in other member states. Monuments recognize an event or a person that is extremely important for people of a U.N member state and for tourists who would be interested in such a monument. Monuments also vary in size, or (creation) as they can either be bronze or silver and they beautify U.N member states as well as hold the history of a member-state and be a 'cashcow' for tourists to view.

The art of Monument creation is thus extremely important for U.N member states for the reasons stated above and deserves U.N protection.

Article 1:

This resolution urges that U.N. member states protect monument (artists) from economic disadvantages they may face from other (industries, and businesses) that might want to use the same resources that artists need to make monuments.

Article 2:

From article (1) article two proposes ways to lift the economic burden of artists so that they can make their monuments;

(i) Have a 10% decrease in prices for monument artists if they are U.N member-state recognized as a monument artist.
(ii) Storing a certain percentage of member-state marble, bronze, gold, and other resources for the use of monument artists alone.
(iii) Declare monument artists as government servants and thus they can use a portion of the governmental budget to fund such monument projects.

Article 3:

The creation of high school programs in U.N member states to help educate students in the field of monument building and hopefully educating students in getting into that field to create monuments in the future.

First there is article 2 clause 1 which is odd. Poorly read it means that monument artists would be paid less since the price for a "monument artist" would be decreased that that's how they get paid right? Taken as it was probably meant to be this means some bizzare discount card that allows the monument artist to get 10% off of food, rent, clothing, and so on and so forth. That's more than bizzare, that's downright firghtening.

Then there is article 2 clause 2 which is totally useless. (Is there really a world shortage in marble? I heard there was for helium but that's a light headed one at best.) Reserving resources is meaningless if the price of those resources is still high. Once again a better approach is to simply have local governments pay for all resources and pay for the labor of the workers, not have the workers in the business of buying their raw materials and trying to sell their product in a market that has little, if any, demand.

Article 3 is (well it should be) illegal but it is really unnecessary. If you pay them well they will study it. By hook or by crook if necessary.

Now last and least. Is this an "international" issue or an issue of fundamental human rights that humanity demands apply to all member states? Hmmm I don't think so. Tzorsland opposes.

*plans to shock the Sheik once again*

Screw this meddling. Monuments are matters of National concern, not the UN's, furthermore, we wouldn't want to waste our silver on one...even for Comrade Serpov! Silver is more useful backing up our currency.

Also I would like to point out that Artistic is not a strength.

Vladimir Khernynko
Elleltian Ambassador to the UN.

Damn those national boundaries.

*plans to shock the Sheik once again*

Screw this meddling. Monuments are matters of National concern, not the UN's, furthermore, we wouldn't want to waste our silver on one...even for Comrade Serpov! Silver is more useful backing up our currency.

Also I would like to point out that Artistic is not a strength.

Vladimir Khernynko
Elleltian Ambassador to the UN.

Yes it is. Educational and Creativity, Artistic is a strength.

If you don't like intrusion of personal affairs, why join the U.N?

Its job is to intrude.

Screw this meddling. Monuments are matters of National concern, not the UN's, furthermore, we wouldn't want to waste our silver on one...even for Comrade Serpov! Silver is more useful backing up our currency.



Sheik Nadnerb had begun to come to, but hearing the statement made by the representative of Ellelt, he passes out again.

Yes it is. Educational and Creativity, Artistic is a strength.Actually, it's an "Area of Effect".

If you don't like intrusion of personal affairs, why join the U.N? Its job is to intrude.

At this statement, the Altanari ambassador coughs slightly and rises. "It seems hardly likely that it is the 'job', as you put it, of the U.N. to intrude unnecessarily upon nations to try to fix concerns that cannot even begin to be construed as having international significance. This proposal would do exactly that. Altanar opposes."

Yes it is. Educational and Creativity, Artistic is a strength.

If you don't like intrusion of personal affairs, why join the U.N?

Its job is to intrude.

It is not a strength in the sense of resolutions that are considered legal by the UN resolution rules which are stickied in the UN forum.

Those rules, as I understand them, limit the strengths to: Strong, Significant, and Mild. Furthermore, to my knowledge, these are the only acceptable strength ratings.

Also I have made my grounds for opposition quite clear...its unnecessary meddling in national affairs...And you are speaking to an International Confederationalist here. I believe there are some things that only nations can do...like work out laws concerning their judicial systems, criminal punishments, social systems, monuments, education of their people(s) etc. The UN is to address problems of international scope, such as Multinational businesses, warfare, Universal Minimum standards regarding worker safety/health/rights, etc.

Dictating what a nation can make a monument of or not make a monument of is unnecessary meddling. The UN is a Union of Independent and Sovereign Nations, it is not a federation but rather a confederation.

It is not a strength in the sense of resolutions that are considered legal by the UN resolution rules which are stickied in the UN forum.

Those rules, as I understand them, limit the strengths to: Strong, Significant, and Mild. Furthermore, to my knowledge, these are the only acceptable strength ratings.
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Its job is to intrude.
In your opnion. Other people believe that the UN should limit itself to issues of international importance, as opposed to this which is an intranational issue.

Timothy Schmidt
Bob Flibble's PA