NationStates Jolt Archive


Legality Question

Gruenberg
20-11-2006, 12:18
University Provision Act
Category: Education and Creativity
Area of Effect: Educational
Proposed by: Rineu

Description: United Nations,

BELIEVING that is fundamental to the economical and sociological development of growing nations for the better that the furthering of Universities within member nations gain increased funding for the education of citizens and research projects, the University Provision Act is submitted.

NOTE: Priority areas are defined for the purpose of this Act as areas the individual member states consider important, provisionally set by this Act.

NOTE: University is defined for the purpose of this Act as a higher education institution committed to teaching and research in the major disciplines of knowledge and professions. It may comprise one or several colleges; Universities have the power to confer degrees.

THE UNIVERSITY PROVISION ACT states all member nations shall:

1. Be encouraged to allocate significant areas of their Education Ministry budget (or similar responsible governmental departments) as direct funding to Universities
2. Allocate direct funding, proportionally, to Universities on the basis of; i) number of students ii) commitment levels of research (as determined by number of projects in PRIORITY AREAS)
3. Actively promote the going to of University at the undergraduate and graduate stages
4. Actively promote the going into the career of research
5. Provide means tested anti-regressive support to those potential students who may not have otherwise been in a financial position to have gone to University in level with the Member Nations individual economic and financial ability
6. Allow Universities to work together Internationally among United Nations Member Nations in order to further education worldwide as well as creating International benefits as a result of research.

PRIORITY areas of research are provisionally set by this Act as being:

1. Climate change; research into and combating of
2. Economic growth; through industry and governmental involvement
3. Health; curing of diseases and preventing of famine.
Given a TG campaign is helping this bomb to quorum, it's worth noting it's illegal for contradiction of "UN Educational Aid Act": its articles 2 and 5 contradict Clause 6 of UNEAA.
The Most Glorious Hack
20-11-2006, 13:34
I'm not positive this is illegal. UNEAA seems to focus on curriculum, while this focuses on funding.
Gruenberg
20-11-2006, 13:39
For reference, UNEAA (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11663193&postcount=172).

.Entrusts nations with the right and responsibility to decide on... the financing of educational programs

Clause 2 of this seems to contradict this, because it specifies how nations must fund higher education.
The Most Glorious Hack
20-11-2006, 13:45
Too tired to rule right now, but it's not going anywhere. I'll wait for additional input.
Gruenberg
20-11-2006, 13:47
That's ok - it's not even made quorum yet, and even if it does, Iron Felix has four days of defenestrating to get through.
Ausserland
20-11-2006, 16:23
We agree with the distinguished representative of Gruenberg. We also see clauses 3 and 4 of the proposal as contradicting the UNEAA, as they require nations to favor university education and research to the detriment of other educational possibilities. Clause 5 of the proposal contradicts the UNEAA, since it requires a specific financing scheme.

Lorelei M. Ahlmann
Ambassador-at-Large
Omigodtheykilledkenny
20-11-2006, 16:31
I'm not positive this is illegal. UNEAA seems to focus on curriculum, while this focuses on funding.*ahem*

6. Entrusts nations with the right and responsibility to decide on the structure of their public education systems and the role of private institutions, mandatory, encouraged and prohibited subjects, skills and course elements in educational institutions, and the financing of educational programs, subject to previous UN legislation still in effect;
Frisbeeteria
20-11-2006, 18:31
I'm not going to make a ruling that states that any Education proposal that mentions funding is automatically contradicted by UNEAA. There is clearly ground that can be covered by future proposals that have the potential to be complimentary to UNEAA, even if they mention money or curriculum.

That said, University Provision Act stomps all over UNEAA with hob-nailed boots, and needs to be taken down. One of us will get to it well before it hits the floor.
Man or Astroman
20-11-2006, 23:59
*ahem*universities != programs
All Things Halo
21-11-2006, 02:36
I thought this proposal was a bit much in that it really pushes for more university funding and favor without advocating a good K-12 or equivalent base for prospective university students.
Rineu
21-11-2006, 16:42
The Federation of Rineu is extremely upset by the ruling detailed here.

The vast majority of Legal Systems provide that new laws take precedent over previous one.

The previous UN law that is described as the reason for removing the University Provision Act seems to be something that would prevent almost any Education Resolution going to the vote in the United Nations.

We believe this is wrong.

The University Provision Act Proposal was that a bad and negative piece of potential law. To simply set out to make universities more available to students around the would and as a result providing more minds for research that universities often carry out. This could have had large positive affects across the world in any number of areas.

The Federation of Rineu is very disappointed, not least because of the work put in to get it to work, and the fact that it is pulled at this late stage.

The Government of the Federation of Rineu has no choice but to consider resign from the United Nations after this shattering in confidence.
Cluichstan
21-11-2006, 16:45
http://test256.free.fr/UN%20Cards/dontlikeit8un.png
Gruenberg
21-11-2006, 16:49
The vast majority of Legal Systems provide that new laws take precedent over previous one.
Irrelevant. The UN proposal rule system doesn't have such a condition.

The previous UN law that is described as the reason for removing the University Provision Act seems to be something that would prevent almost any Education Resolution going to the vote in the United Nations.
Not true. There are plenty of education resolutions that could still get 'past' it: we'd even considered one ourselves (a student exchange program).

The University Provision Act Proposal was that a bad and negative piece of potential law. To simply set out to make universities more available to students around the would and as a result providing more minds for research that universities often carry out. This could have had large positive affects across the world in any number of areas.
Just because a proposal cures cancer doesn't mean it's legal.

The Federation of Rineu is very disappointed, not least because of the work put in to get it to work, and the fact that it is pulled at this late stage.
Given this work did not include:
1. Reading the rules;
2. Reading the passed resolutions;
3. Posting a draft on the forum,
we can't say we're too concerned.

Doing all three of the above next time will save you from this problem.
Rineu
21-11-2006, 17:29
Rineu has resigned its membership of the United Nations.
Allech-Atreus
21-11-2006, 17:31
I always wondered what would happen if someone took a UN Card seriously.
Cluichstan
21-11-2006, 17:34
I always wondered what would happen if someone took a UN Card seriously.

Just goes to show...

http://test256.free.fr/UN%20Cards/uncardssss2vy.png

;)
Kivisto
21-11-2006, 21:30
For some reason, I want that card to read "Shiznit" instead of shit. Meh.
The Caloris Basin
22-11-2006, 02:57
The Federation of Rineu is very disappointed, not least because of the work put in to get it to work, and the fact that it is pulled at this late stage.This line amuses me the most. Can only imagine how he'd respond if he was one of the people to have a proposal pulled mere hours before hitting the floor. This one wasn't even in the queue.
Norderia
22-11-2006, 23:25
I can't believe no one played this one yet:

http://test256.free.fr/UN%20Cards/office.jpg


I mean, Cluich alluded to it, but saying one will do something and doing something is different.

I win.