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Old Proposal. Not needed;

I’m not sure where I should begin. Resolution #82 is such a wonderfully pathetic resolution. I’m honestly torn about repealing it. One of the interesting jokes in the resolution (and there are a million of them) is that the resolution only mentions embryos only once and never in anything that would resemble a defining clause.

As a result the resolution covers all forms of stem cell research, adult, umbilical cord, and embryonic. Many of these show real promise and are even saving lives today. (Ironically embryonic stem cell research is still far from any practical cure and has not even begun to address the principle problems of host body tissue rejection common with the use of cells with incompatible protein structures which trigger the natural immune response.) From a technical standpoint there is no technical problem with stem cell “lines,” as that problem is an artifact from the RW United States under the current administration neither of which technically exist in NationStates.

Still in the end, the resolution is crap and I’m more than happy to support a repeal, just because it is crap.

I like this repeal in general, however I must point out how much it resmebles an essay format as opposed to NSUN legislation format. Take a look at some other repeals and re-formate the repeal, and trim some of the reduntantly made arguments, then take it from there.

Love and esterel would favour a "repea+better written proposal" on this topic.

We would like also to say that, according to new discoveries, mature cells (fully differentiated cell) may be as promising than stem cells, and this could be important to be stated as well in the new proposal.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5391220.stm

here is the text of the original resolution:
http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_past_resolutions/start=81

UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION #82
Stem Cell Research Funding

A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights


Strength: Strong


Proposed by: Nykibo

Description: The use of Stem Cells is an amazing new breakthrough in the fields of science and medicine. Scientists know that these cells, harvested from human embryos, could eradicate many diseases, including Cancer, Type 1 Diabetes, Parkinson's, and Alzheimer's. But while the list of diseases that Stem Cells could cure gets longer and longer, the amount of what little funding is present continues to dwindle. I admit, some people do insist that harvesting something from a human as if it was an experiment is immoral, but allowing millions of people to die each day is much worse. This is the best chance we have at beating these diseases. The one thing standing in the way of this is funding. Stem Cell Research is very costly, and without proper funding, this plane will never take off the ground. In this proposal, I ask that funding be provided to the scientists of all UN member nations, if they so desire to research Stem Cells and their benefits. I urge my fellow UN members to stand up to these diseases, and fund Stem Cell Research.

BUMP. It's already out. Please vote for it.

I will try to get a good proposal to help stem cells out, but do it in a way, so that countries that don't want to, don't nessicarily have to follow it.

Mabey I'll make yet another organization who's sole job is to collect and distribute embryotic stem cells.

I seriously want this repeal to go through, not because it's mine, but because that resolution does not have any meaning in it.

As I said earlier, please go vote for it. Sorry for redunduncy, but seriously, does a repeal make any laws or does it abolish them? In fact, I could have it just follow to a forum and have that forum state the reasons (well that might be a little illeagle) but any reasons you find the repeal it, can join in with this.

Sorry for redunduncy, but seriously, does a repeal make any laws or does it abolish them?Repeals only repeal, they can't introduce new legislation.
In fact, I could have it just follow to a forum and have that forum state the reasons (well that might be a little illeagle)Yes, yes that is illegal (I think).

Filibetes Quotes

Fisrt one: Being Sarcastic...
Second Part: Same as above...

Stem Cell Research Funding


A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Category : Human Rights
Strength : Strong
Proposed by : Nykibo

Description : The use of Stem Cells is an amazing new breakthrough in the fields of science and medicine. Scientists know that these cells, harvested from human embryos, could eradicate many diseases, including Cancer, Type 1 Diabetes, Parkinson's, and Alzheimer's. But while the list of diseases that Stem Cells could cure gets longer and longer, the amount of what little funding is present continues to dwindle. I admit, some people do insist that harvesting something from a human as if it was an experiment is immoral, but allowing millions of people to die each day is much worse. This is the best chance we have at beating these diseases. The one thing standing in the way of this is funding. Stem Cell Research is very costly, and without proper funding, this plane will never take off the ground. In this proposal, I ask that funding be provided to the scientists of all UN member nations, if they so desire to research Stem Cells and their benefits. I urge my fellow UN members to stand up to these diseases, and fund Stem Cell Research.

Votes For : 13,907

Votes Against : 5,231

Implemented : Tue Nov 30 2004

I don't know how this resolution actually passed! I want to write a repeal for it, and I did. Unfortunately, it failed. Here is a draft for one. Any ideas?

The UN

COMMENDS Resolution #82 for trying to help find cures for disease

POINTS OUT Resolutions that help scientists get money and help find cures for diseases such as "'RBH' Replacement", "Global AIDS Initiative", and "Freedom of Scientific Research
".

BELIEVES that the issue is micromanaged by Resolution #82 and a resolution that can give funding to any type of scientist would be better.

CONCERNED that Stem Cell Research Funding fails to achieve the strength of legislation it aspires to

IS APPALLED that it only mentions human diseases that can be eradicated, when many non-human diseases could be also.

DISMAYED that no supporting evidence was offered to back up the 'facts' put forth in Stem Cell Research Funding;

STRIKES OUT and shall NULLIFY Resolution #82, Stem Cell Research Funding.

Alright, here's the good news, I'm going to put this draft up on Nov. 1. I don't think everyone will be on tomorrow, and I have to re-apply for the UN. Until then, any changes, and ESPECIALLY additions would be ideal. I have incorporated many changes, and it is more of a forum effort now.

*Deleted Last Line*

CONDEMNS Resolution #82 for trying to help find cures for disease
That has me at a bit of a loss... Why is attempting to find cures for disease being condemned? Perhaps you intended to use a different word, such as 'commends'...?

Other than that, it seems perfectly reasonable. I would vote for it.

Lady Sara

IS APPALLED that it only mentions human diseases that can be eradicated, when many animal diseases could be also.

In this proposal, I ask that funding be provided to the scientists of all UN member nations, if they so desire to research Stem Cells and their benefits. I urge my fellow UN members to stand up to these diseases, and fund Stem Cell Research.

If you would have prefered that this proposal was about several species of biological sapients, then I agree.
But even with my well known compassion for bonobos and dolphins, Im' not sure that funding bonobos and dolphins Stem Cell research is a priority yet, maybe in some decades who knows.

In response to the OP: Do you actually know what stem cells are? Also do you have any diease that could be cured by the research of stem cells? Do you know what it is like (Type 1 diabetes) to wake up every morning and the first thing you have to do is give 30 units of insulin, which you have to inject with a needle. Do you know what it's like to be a little kid at a birthday party and know you can't eat the cake.
With all due respect, please do not condemn something until you know what it can help. What you are proposing seems purely selfish, since you do not know what it is like to have Type 1 diabetes and therefor do not know the pain that comes with it. Also for your information Type1 diabetes is a diease that you can't help, it is an autoimmune diease and so far there are only two possible known ways to get rid of it and those are either you get a new panceras or you wait for the results of stem cell research.
Ok i'm done with my rant for the day.:cool:

I think/hope you mean "COMMENDS" instead of "CONDEMNS" in your second preambulatory clause.

In response to the OP: Do you actually know what stem cells are? Also do you have any diease that could be cured by the research of stem cells? Do you know what it is like (Type 1 diabetes) to wake up every morning and the first thing you have to do is give 30 units of insulin, which you have to inject with a needle. Do you know what it's like to be a little kid at a birthday party and know you can't eat the cake.
With all due respect, please do not condemn something until you know what it can help. What you are proposing seems purely selfish, since you do not know what it is like to have Type 1 diabetes and therefor do not know the pain that comes with it. Also for your information Type1 diabetes is a diease that you can't help, it is an autoimmune diease and so far there are only two possible known ways to get rid of it and those are either you get a new panceras or you wait for the results of stem cell research.
Ok i'm done with my rant for the day.:cool:

Thanks for the emotional drivel, man. Now I need to go smoke a big, fat jibber.

Love, luck and lollipops,
Sheik Larebil bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Doh, so whenever I read over COMMENDS, I think CONDEMNS. It is fixed. Post is edited.

Who said that only dolphins and lower leveled species need help. What about trolls, dwarfs, elves, and the like? Do they not get any special treatment? If you see any more errors...

Any more ideas that should be included?

I hate to feel like a grammar nazi, but since you did ask...

The UN:

AGREES to abolish Resolution #82

COMMENDS Resolution #82 for trying to help find cures for disease;

POINTS OUT Resolutions that help scientists get money and help find cures for diseases such as "'RBH' Replacement", "Global AIDS Initiative", and "Freedom of Scientific Research".

BELIEVES somewhat that the issue is micromanaged by Resolution #82, and a better Resolution that can gives funding to any type of scientist would be better.

POINTS OUT that it is STRONG but it does not mandate anything. It only asks that you fund scientists in Stem Cell Research area.

IS APPALLED that it only mentions human diseases that can be eradicated, when many non-human animal diseases could be also.

BELIEVES that there are no facts such as if is no evidence on whether funding is shrinking; and if it is, only in that area;

STRIKES OUT and shall NULLIFY Resolution #82, Stem Cell Research Funding.
I coloured red thing that I added or changed, and coloured grey things I felt should be removed. (The AGREES bit isn't really necessary, since that's what the STRIKES OUT line basically says.)

Alright, well, many of those changes shall be made. I'm still keeping the first clause, as it is the intro.

I'd want to start with a minor rewrite, purely for style purposes.

The United Nations

COMMENDING Resolution #82 for trying to help find cures for disease

AGREEING to abolish Resolution #82

POINTING OUT that Resolutions such as "'RBH' Replacement", "Global AIDS Initiative", and "Freedom of Scientific Research" already assist scientists find cures for diseases

BELIEVING that Stem Cell Research Funding is unnecessarily narrow in scope

CONCERNED that Stem Cell Research Funding fails to achieve the strength of legislation it aspires to

DISTURBED that Stem Cell Research Funding neglects to cover the wide range of diseases, other than 'human' based, that could benefit from such research

DISMAYED that no supporting evidence was offered to back up the 'facts' put forth in Stem Cell Research Funding

HEREBY REPEALS UN Resolution #82, Stem Cell Research Funding.

As I say, simply a matter of style, and merely suggestions.

AGREEING to abolish Resolution #82

Unnecessary and awkward.

Alright, nice ideas. They shall be merged.

Alright, Ideas are merged in. Please, read the new bottom paragraph. I have completely rewrote it.

Here is the problem with the resolution in a nutshell. The resolution is so far to the side of crap that it actually passed the barrier and became usefull. :confused:

You would think that this is your typcal embryonic stem cell research resolution. But while it mentions "harvested from human embryos" at one point it does so only in passing and doesn't mention it again. The resolution is simply for "stem cell" research and that would include adult stem cells, umbilical chord stem cells, as well as embryonic. The former, adult stem cells already has cures on the market as I type this.

As a result this resolution is a effective, even if ugly, blocker. I will not support any resolution on embryonic stem cell research ignoring the fundamental and practical research in the other stem cell research lines. Since I know that a good stem cell research resolution has a snowball's chance of passing (as much as a good abortion issue) then this blocker is the best we can hope to achieve, even though it is a crap worded resolution, and the sleeping dog should be let to lie there.

I do hope that the Representative for Tzorsland realises that this discussion is about repealing that stem-cell Resolution.

Terry Hansfeld
Temporary UN Representative

<Snip>

As a result this resolution is a effective, even if ugly, blocker. I will not support any resolution on embryonic stem cell research ignoring the fundamental and practical research in the other stem cell research lines. Since I know that a good stem cell research resolution has a snowball's chance of passing (as much as a good abortion issue) then this blocker is the best we can hope to achieve, even though it is a crap worded resolution, and the sleeping dog should be let to lie there.

Alright, well, the next resolution shall be trying to start a Donation Bank, that can be used by scientists and the poor. Of course, there is a maximum amount you can take per year. Are there going to be any last minute changes to the draft? Shall we add anything?

It'll be TOMMOROW

Sorry, make that Thursday.

The UN

COMMENDS Resolution #82 for trying to help find cures for disease

POINTS OUT Resolutions that help scientists get money and help find cures for diseases such as "'RBH' Replacement", "Global AIDS Initiative", and "Freedom of Scientific Research
".

BELIEVES that the issue is micromanaged by Resolution #82 and a resolution that can give funding to any type of scientist would be better.

CONCERNED that Stem Cell Research Funding fails to achieve the strength of legislation it aspires to

IS APPALLED that it only mentions human diseases that can be eradicated, when many non-human diseases could be also.

DISMAYED that no supporting evidence was offered to back up the 'facts' put forth in Stem Cell Research Funding;

STRIKES OUT and shall NULLIFY Resolution #82, Stem Cell Research Funding.

Please vote for it. I am willing to change it per draft. Please vote for what you pick.

Please vote for it. I am willing to change it per draft. Please vote for what you pick.

A little late to change it, if you've already submitted it, don'tcha think?

Wow...three threads for the same draft. Not too bright, are ya?

...

Well, there was a draft process.

Ugh...can someone please nuke this nation already. We don't even wanna waste any of the Death Star's energy to use our mega-laser on it.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Don't keep pressing "submit" when the forum slows.


And you quote me there why? :confused:

Sorry. I couldn't resist.

Sorry. I couldn't resist.

No, no...well played. *applauds* :D

Description: UN Resolution #82: Stem Cell Research Funding (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Strong) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: The UN

COMMENDS Resolution #82 for trying to help find cures for disease

POINTS OUT Resolutions that help scientists get money and help find cures for diseases such as "'RBH' Replacement", "Global AIDS Initiative", and "Freedom of Scientific Research
".

BELIEVES that the issue is micromanaged by Resolution #82 and a resolution that can give funding to any type of scientist would be better.

CONCERNED that Stem Cell Research Funding fails to achieve the strength of legislation it aspires to

IS APPALLED that it only mentions human diseases that can be eradicated, when many non-human diseases could be also.

DISMAYED that no supporting evidence was offered to back up the 'facts' put forth in Stem Cell Research Funding;

STRIKES OUT and shall NULLIFY Resolution #82, Stem Cell Research Funding.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 122 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Fri Nov 10 2006

I ask for delegates to support this. Feel free to debate. I'll answer any questions, and if need be, I'll make changes for future submitting.

Hey, here's a brilliant suggestion: Post proposals here before you submit them.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

This looks awfully familiar - didn't you have another thread on this proposal? What happened to that? :confused:

This looks awfully familiar - didn't you have another thread on this proposal? What happened to that? :confused:

OOC: He starts the same thread everytime he submits the exact same proposal, regardless of any comments that get posted regarding the proposal. He's wasting our time. I'm done here.

OOC: He starts the same thread everytime he submits the exact same proposalIndeed.

4 threads merged. Havvy, one thread is plenty.