NationStates Jolt Archive

CRIME PROTECTION ACT
As you well know, crime is on the increase in our world. Despite the best efforts of government, society is becoming increasingly depraved and, as such, illegal acts (ranging from petty thievery to homicide) are committed more and more every day.

Therefore, I propose that all UN nations collaborate to form the BARN (Biometric and Retinal Network.) BARN is a database containing the identity of every person who has ever committed a crime in a UN country belonging to the UN - it contains their fingerprints, their retinal scan and any other method of identifying them.
This will be set up by police officers, upon the conviction of a criminal, scanning him and entering his details into this database, which will be shared amongst all UN nations. Citizens who are arrested but not convicted of their supposed crime will be put into the database for a period of 6 months only. Via this means, criminals can be tracked and followed anywhere inside the UN. Furthermore, the BARN database will be avaliable to all major corporations, so that employers can check the credentials of a person applying for a job.

BARN will:

-Reduce crime, as it will act as a powerful deterrant
-Governments will be able to track criminals across countries, and bar them access if necessary (so as to prevent their society from having any more detrimental influences)
-Companies will be able to check the credentials of potential employees and see if they have a criminal record: this will therefore reduce fraud significantly. Banks may also use the system when lending money, so this will reduce financial fraud as well.

In conclusion, BARN will be an international criminal database which will make our crime-ravaged world a safer place.

This looks like a good idea, but it's not a proposal at this point. It's more of an essay. Read over the Rules for UN Proposals (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465) and try to phrase it in more standard diplomatic language. You also need to assign it a category and strength (or area). If you put it in the wrong category, it will be deleted quickly.

Also, I haven't checked passed resolutions to see if there are conflicts. If you haven't either, you should.

Good luck, and pay attention to what the other UN members tell you here. There's no better advice that I can give you than to listen carefully.

In SJB, our crime rate is virtually zero. We believe that this is due to our focus on rehabilitation rather than retribution or deterrence as a response to criminal activity. Maybe if you treated your people as if they were... ya know... people, you wouldn't have such a problem. Just a thought.

CRIME PROTECTION ACT
Wait, we're protecting crime now?
As you well know, crime is on the increase in our world.
Is it? We're doing just fine in Norderia.
Despite the best efforts of government, society is becoming increasingly depraved and, as such, illegal acts (ranging from petty thievery to homicide) are committed more and more every day.
How do you figure?

Therefore, I propose that all UN nations collaborate to form the BARN (Biometric and Retinal Network.) BARN is a database containing the identity of every person who has ever committed a crime in a UN country belonging to the UN - it contains their fingerprints, their retinal scan and any other method of identifying them.
Aw christ, not another database proposal. Tell me, why does my government need to know about Jane the shoe thief from Gruenberg? Or Jorge the graffiti artist from Mikitivity? What in the hell does a chronic speeder need a retinal scan for?
This will be set up by police officers, upon the conviction of a criminal, scanning him and entering his details into this database, which will be shared amongst all UN nations. Citizens who are arrested but not convicted of their supposed crime will be put into the database for a period of 6 months only. Via this means, criminals can be tracked and followed anywhere inside the UN.
Thanks but no, Big Brother. We believe in such things as warrants and probable cause.
Furthermore, the BARN database will be avaliable to all major corporations, so that employers can check the credentials of a person applying for a job.
.... That's...

That's disgusting.

BARN will:

-Reduce crime, as it will act as a powerful deterrant
Powerful oppressor too.
-Governments will be able to track criminals across countries, and bar them access if necessary (so as to prevent their society from having any more detrimental influences)
What a call from one border to another isn't easy enough?
-Companies will be able to check the credentials of potential employees and see if they have a criminal record: this will therefore reduce fraud significantly. Banks may also use the system when lending money, so this will reduce financial fraud as well.
See flippant remarks above.

In conclusion, BARN will be an international criminal database which will make our crime-ravaged world a safer place.
It's no wonder your world is crime-ravaged. You view your people as burdens.

Fris is right. It's really more of an essay than a proposal. If you plan on proceeding with this idea (one that has been suggested and been shot down time after time, even by nations with such lovely means of dealing with criminals as Gruenberg, Kivisto, and OMGTKK), read over the stuff Fris showed you, and reduce it to concise, precise clauses.

Since Ambassador Zyryanov is... currently indisposed (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11882022&postcount=54), allow me to address this idea in reply to the honourable delegate from Thalkania.

Crime in Ariddia is virtually non-existent. If you wish to decrease crime in your own nation, we'd be glad to instruct you about our extremely effective social policies, education system and progressive economy which have enabled us to obtain such good results. Your own suggestion, I'm sorry to say, seems extremely inefficient by comparison. Not to mention... ethically questionable.

Oh, and... Retinal scans? Will the government of Thalkania be providing all the equipment for all technologically "under-developed" nations such as Ariddia?


Ambassador Sergei V. Telkijski (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Sergei_Vyacheslav_Telkijski),
PDSRA

try to phrase it in more standard diplomatic language.

Please don't, or at least don't fall into the trap of let's start every sentence with WHEREAS, MINDFUL, TEDIOUSLY and UNDERSTANDING etc. Makes the proposals horrible to read, in fact I don't bother reading those ones. Make it a good proposal to read, but keep some individuality.

or at least don't fall into the trap of let's start every sentence with WHEREAS, MINDFUL, TEDIOUSLY and UNDERSTANDING etc.

How about

The UNITED NATIONS,

APOPLECTIC WITH RAGE...

as was once suggested? ;)


Ambassador Sergei V. Telkijski,
PDSRA

St Jello Biafra;11882804']In SJB, our crime rate is virtually zero. We believe that this is due to our focus on rehabilitation rather than retribution or deterrence as a response to criminal activity. Maybe if you treated your people as if they were... ya know... people, you wouldn't have such a problem. Just a thought.

On the other hand.....

The crime rate in Kivisto is also virtually zero. We believe it is our exceptionally tough stance on crime in all its forms, focussing on deterrence and severe punishment over rehabilitation. If you treat your criminals like...you know...criminals, these things can be cleared up quite readily.

The Great Star Empire has had a zero-percent crime rate since as long as we can remember. Of course, that's probably because we have such all-encompassing law enforcement.

Thanks but no thanks!

On the other hand.....

The crime rate in Kivisto is also virtually zero. We believe it is our exceptionally tough stance on crime in all its forms, focussing on deterrence and severe punishment over rehabilitation. If you treat your criminals like...you know...criminals, these things can be cleared up quite readily.

Hmm. Well, it seems that the only thing we can learn from this is that different policies work best in different nations.

Case closed, vote nay, move on.

We're not gonna support this, for obvious reasons. My associates will be keeping an eye on these Thalkanians. Andate tutti a 'fanculo!

Antonio "Tony Knuckles" Santocanale
Nephew of Carmine Santocanale, the Capo di tutti capi, who has had the misfortune of being assigned to the fuckin' UN and ain't too happy with it, if you know what I mean.

How about

The UNITED NATIONS,

APOPLECTIC WITH RAGE...

as was once suggested? ;)


I rather liked that suggestion.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

I'm curious as to how this will allow tracking of criminals. If the database simply stores biometric data such as fingerprints, retinal scans, etc. then the only 'tracking' that can be done is learning where the criminal last used a scanner connected to the BARN network. Even if you installed these scanners on every door and doorknob in your nation (and what a cost!) you'd still find it difficult to 'track' a criminal that does not want to be followed.

I think the policing of a nation should be handled at the national level and not through UN resolution.

Crime is on the rise? Not in my country. Crime is non existent in the Reich. But then...my police are basically able to shoot anything that moves the wrong way. (That'll teach those nudists!) :sniper:

Der Fuhrer
The Fourth Holy Reich

St Jello Biafra;11882804']In SJB, our crime rate is virtually zero. We believe that this is due to our focus on rehabilitation rather than retribution or deterrence as a response to criminal activity. Maybe if you treated your people as if they were... ya know... people, you wouldn't have such a problem. Just a thought.

Rehabilitation implies that they had to commit a crime in the first place, and you merely stop them from reoffending. Some nations would prefer that they didn't commit the crime at all.

Gwenstefani has found that when it had progressive social and educational policies, crime was not a problem. However, as we become increasingly capitalist in our policies, social inequality and crime become larger problems. We suggest the two are linked. But the crime only happens in the bad parts of the country so we tend to ignore it.

CRIME PROTECTION ACT
As you well know, crime is on the increase in our world. Despite the best efforts of government, society is becoming increasingly depraved and, as such, illegal acts (ranging from petty thievery to homicide) are committed more and more every day.

Speak for yourself. In Steenhuffel crime is relatively low, thanks to a well-funded police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare.

Therefore, I propose that all UN nations collaborate to form the BARN (Biometric and Retinal Network.) BARN is a database containing the identity of every person who has ever committed a crime in a UN country belonging to the UN - it contains their fingerprints, their retinal scan and any other method of identifying them.

We do NOT need any of this sort of repressive legislation. The Republic of Steenhuffel opposes the database stae on principle.


This will be set up by police officers, upon the conviction of a criminal, scanning him and entering his details into this database, which will be shared amongst all UN nations.

...Furthermore, the BARN database will be avaliable to all major corporations, so that employers can check the credentials of a person applying for a job.

So convicts will be unable to ever find legal employment. That's clever :headbang:


In conclusion, BARN will be an international criminal database which will make our crime-ravaged world a safer place.

No it won't. It'll simply push minor criminals into the hands of major criminals.

No it won't. It'll simply push minor criminals into the hands of major criminals.

Right! Thus the reason that barcoding or whatever isn't enough in and of itself. It isn't just enough to keep track of criminals...you must keep track of them...and then systematically execute them! :mp5: