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Category: Global Disarmament
Strength: Strong

White phosphorous incendiary ammunitions can be used for two means. One of the means that they can be used for is to protect soldiers of one’s army when it is dark by lighting up the enemy. The second way it can be used is as a weapon which can cause horrible deaths to the victims of such a weapon.

White Phosphorous incendiary weapons can be described as an incendiary agent [1], smoke-screening agent, and as an antipersonnel flame compound capable of causing serious burns[2]. White Phosphorus (WP) bombs and shells are essentially incendiary devices, and can be used in an offensive anti-personnel role against enemy troop concentrations. It is used in bombs, artillery shells, and mortar shells which burst into burning flakes of phosphorus upon impact. White phosphorus has been described as a chemical weapon, but it has a long history of use in warfare for both offensive and target-marking purposes.

White Phosphorous as used as a weapon is extremely dangerous to one’s troops and civilians because it can produce extensive, deep (second and third degree), painful burns. Phosphorus burns carry a greater risk of mortality than other forms of burns due to the absorption of phosphorus into the body through the burned area, resulting in liver, heart and kidney damage, and in some cases multi-organ failure.[6] These weapons are particularly dangerous to exposed people because white phosphorus continues to burn unless deprived of oxygen or until it is completely consumed, in some cases burning right down to the bone.

Article 1:

Reduction of white phosphorous incendiary weapons from offensive military operations by U.N member states.

This resolution realizes that it would take militaries some years to arrange their militaries around such a resolution so there guidelines have been created.

Phase (1): Between years 1-3; U.N member states will reduce the use of White Phosphorous in offensive military operations by U.N member states by 20% at non-civilian center battles (military bases, etc) and a reduction of 40% of the use of white phosphorous as an offensive weapon near population centers.

Phase (2): Between years 4-6; the reduction of white phosphorous weapons will continue with regards to military operations with a reduction of an additional 30% of the use of white phosphorous on non-civilian centers (military bases, etc) and the full phase out of the use of white phosphorous as a offensive weapon around population centers.

Phase (3): Between year 7-10; the final phase out of white phosphorous weapons as an offensive weapon by U.N member states

Article 2:

As a weapon white phosphorous can cause too much destruction and death of innocent people, and therefore, it should be phased out as a offensive weapon. Therefore, the use of white phosphorous weapons as an offensive weapon is cruel and is punishable to innocent civilians. This goes against the Universial Bill of Rights, resolution #22.

This resolution states clearly however that the use of white phosphourous in defensive action and as a use as a smoke-screen, flare is acceptable.

Article 3:

The creation of the White Phosphorous Watchdog Council that will report every year on U.N member states progress in phasing out the use of the white phosphorous weapon as an offensive weapon.

Actually, it's used to signal locations for airstrikes and to create smoke to limit visibility. Any weapon can be misused; banning WP because of misuse, and claiming the misuse is the only use, is ridiculous.

Hmmm...

White Phosphorous Watchdog Council, you say?

I do believe there is an appropriate UN card for that completely unnecessary, ridiculous committee.

Hmmm...

White Phosphorous Watchdog Council, you say?

I do believe there is an appropriate UN card for that completely unnecessary, ridiculous committee.

Ooo, I know that card, I'm the creator of it.
Is this your card? http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/8604/anotheruselesscommitteeml3.jpg

Anyway, I think you've got your strength a little high, since your only banning one specific type of weapon, you're looking at significent at most.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Actually, it's used to signal locations for airstrikes and to create smoke to limit visibility. Any weapon can be misused; banning WP because of misuse, and claiming the misuse is the only use, is ridiculous.

I believe that has already been noted. This is to ban it for offensive military actions,
That is in my resolution
This resolution states clearly however that the use of white phosphourous in defensive action and as a use as a smoke-screen, flare is acceptable.

It's not worthy of "Strong".

Global Disarmament that takes out the UN nuclear aresenals ... that might be Strong. Willie Pete is a 'retail' weapon, in that it might affect a few or a few dozen individuals in a given action. Nukes are 'wholesale', taking out hundreds of thousands with a single weapon.

"Mild". At best. And you might try reducing the essay portion and increasing the laws portion. And use a spell check.

Second draft:

Category: Global Disarmament
Strength: Significant

White phosphorous incendiary ammunitions can be used for two means. One of the means that they can be used for is to protect soldiers of one’s army when it is dark by lighting up the enemy. The second way it can be used is as a weapon which can cause horrible deaths to the victims of such a weapon.

White Phosphorous incendiary weapons can be described as an incendiary agent [1], smoke-screening agent, and as an antipersonnel flame compound capable of causing serious burns[2]. White Phosphorus (WP) bombs and shells are essentially incendiary devices, and can be used in an offensive anti-personnel role against enemy troop concentrations. It is used in bombs, artillery shells, and mortar shells which burst into burning flakes of phosphorus upon impact. White phosphorus has been described as a chemical weapon, but it has a long history of use in warfare for both offensive and target-marking purposes.

White Phosphorous as used as a weapon is extremely dangerous to one’s troops and civilians because it can produce extensive, deep (second and third degree), painful burns. Phosphorus burns carry a greater risk of mortality than other forms of burns due to the absorption of phosphorus into the body through the burned area, resulting in liver, heart and kidney damage, and in some cases multi-organ failure.[6] These weapons are particularly dangerous to exposed people because white phosphorus continues to burn unless deprived of oxygen or until it is completely consumed, in some cases burning right down to the bone.

Article 1:

Reduction of white phosphorous incendiary weapons from offensive military operations by U.N member states.

This resolution realizes that it would take militaries some years to arrange their militaries around such a resolution so there guidelines have been created.

Phase (1): Between years 1-3; U.N member states will reduce the use of White Phosphorous in offensive military operations by U.N member states by 20% at non-civilian center battles (military bases, etc) and a reduction of 40% of the use of white phosphorous as an offensive weapon near population centers.

Phase (2): Between years 4-6; the reduction of white phosphorous weapons will continue with regards to military operations with a reduction of an additional 30% of the use of white phosphorous on non-civilian centers (military bases, etc) and the full phase out of the use of white phosphorous as a offensive weapon around population centers.

Phase (3): Between year 7-10; the final phase out of white phosphorous weapons as an offensive weapon by U.N member states

Article 2:

As a weapon white phosphorous can cause too much destruction and death of innocent people, and therefore, it should be phased out as a offensive weapon. Therefore, the use of white phosphorous weapons as an offensive weapon is cruel and is punishable to innocent civilians. This goes against the Universal Bill of Rights, resolution #22.

This resolution states clearly however that the use of white phosphorous in defensive action and as a use as a smoke-screen, flare is acceptable.

Article 3:

The creation of the White Phosphorous Watchdog Council will report every year on U.N member states progress in phasing out the use of the white phosphorous weapon as an offensive weapon.

The WPWC would then proceed to document any illegal violations of the resolution by U.N member states, who after the ten year period may engage in white phosphorous offensives tactics. The Council will note the evidence and open the way for civilian victims to be financially compensated for the actions that may cause damage to property, injury or death.

Second draft:

Category: Global Disarmament
Strength: Significant
I'd take Fris's advice reguarding strength over mine.
It's not worthy of "Strong".

Global Disarmament that takes out the UN nuclear aresenals ... that might be Strong. Willie Pete is a 'retail' weapon, in that it might affect a few or a few dozen individuals in a given action. Nukes are 'wholesale', taking out hundreds of thousands with a single weapon.

"Mild". At best. And you might try reducing the essay portion and increasing the laws portion. And use a spell check.

Anyway, I think you've got your strength a little high, since your only banning one specific type of weapon, you're looking at significent at most.

Bob Flibble
UN RepresentativeAgree with Sir Flibble here since it dealing with only one type of weapon. As feel we need to deal more with the greater threats out there as groups or simular types of weapons rather than a single weapon. As we start to get into if they have this one banned they need this one banned also and thus we spend time on each weapon anyone don't like.

Here since you also deal with it as OFFENSIVE then maybe need to work on OFFENSIVE actions period using any weapons. As I would rather see OFFENSIVE actions stopped thus reducing the need for any weapons... OFFENSIVE of DEFENSIVE. This is what we need to work on not piece mealing it.

Sir Hardarse Blowhard,
Minister of Something Zeldon.

OC: I have seen the effects of willie pete as did time in Nam where it was used a lot. So must say you have done a good job of telling the facts on this.. in your proposal. However for some here it may be a bit boring and long winded... so you may lose them because to lazy to muddle through your opening..

It is impossible to distinguish between offensive and defensive warfare. One can distinguish between aggression and self-defense, but either can (and usually does) involve a mixture of offensive and defensive operations.

In that respect, this resolution clearly violates NSUNR #110 (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/United_Nations_Security_Act); in banning the “offensive” use of WP, it seeks to impede a nation engaged in legitimate self-defense from driving an aggressor from its soil.

This aside, the notion that nighttime illumination, the generation of smoke screens, target marking, etc., is of value only to defenders is ludicrous.

At first, I was curious as to what these [numbers] were, and where 3, 4 and 5 had gone.

But now I see (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_(weapon))

At first, I was curious as to what these [numbers] were, and where 3, 4 and 5 had gone.

But now I see (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_(weapon))

Ah, so the entire second paragraph was plagiarised from a wiki article. That's weak, man...way weak. This "author" isn't gettin' a flower from me.

Love, luck and lollipops,
Sheik Larebil bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Third draft:

Banning the use of Incendiary weapons in Offensive Action
Category: Global Disarmament
Strength: Significant

Incendiary weapons are a large bomb casing filled with small sticks of incendiaries (bomblets), and designed to open at altitude, scattering the bomblets in order to cover a wide area. An explosive charge would then ignite the incendiary material, often starting a raging fire. The fire would burn at extreme temperatures that could destroy most buildings made of wood or other combustible materials (buildings constructed of stone tend to resist incendiary destruction unless they are first blown open by high explosives).

For example, white phosphorous incendiary ammunitions can be used for two means. One of the means that they can be used for is to protect soldiers of one’s army when it is dark by lighting up the enemy. The second way it can be used is as a weapon which can cause horrible deaths to the victims of such a weapon.

White phosphorous incendiary weapons can be described as an incendiary agent [1], smoke-screening agent, and as an antipersonnel flame compound capable of causing serious burns[2]. White Phosphorus (WP) bombs and shells are essentially incendiary devices, and can be used in an offensive anti-personnel role against enemy troop concentrations. It is used in bombs, artillery shells, and mortar shells which burst into burning flakes of phosphorus upon impact(3). White phosphorus has been described as a chemical weapon, but it has a long history of use in warfare for both offensive and target-marking purposes.

White phosphorous as well as other incendiary weapons, used in offensive actions is extremely dangerous to one’s troops and civilians because it can produce extensive, deep (second and third degree), painful burns. Phosphorus burns carry a greater risk of mortality than other forms of burns due to the absorption of phosphorus into the body through the burned area, resulting in liver, heart and kidney damage, and in some cases multi-organ failure.[4] These weapons are particularly dangerous to exposed people because white phosphorus continues to burn unless deprived of oxygen or until it is completely consumed, in some cases burning right down to the bone.

Article 1:

Reduction of white phosphorous incendiary weapons from offensive military operations by U.N member states.

This resolution realizes that it would take militaries some years to arrange their militaries around such a resolution so there guidelines have been created.

Phase (1): Between years 1-3; U.N member states will reduce the use of White Phosphorous, in particular, and other incendiary weapons such as napalm, thermite and others in offensive military operations by U.N member states by 20% at non-civilian center battles (military bases, etc) and a reduction of 40% of the use of white phosphorous and other incendiary weapons such as napalm, thermite as offensive weapons near population centers.

Phase (2): Between years 4-6; the reduction of these incendiary weapons will continue with regards to military operations with a reduction of an additional 30% of the use of white phosphorous, and other incendiary weapons on non-civilian centers (military bases, etc) and the full phase out of these weapons as a offensive weapon around population centers.

Phase (3): Between year 7-10; the final phase out of white phosphorous weapons as an offensive weapon by U.N member states

Article 2:

As a weapon white phosphorous can cause too much destruction and death of innocent people, and therefore, it should be phased out as a offensive weapon. Therefore, the use of white phosphorous weapons as an offensive weapon is cruel and is punishable to innocent civilians. This goes against the Universal Bill of Rights, resolution #22.

This resolution states clearly however that the use of white phosphorous in defensive action and as a use as a smoke-screen, flare is acceptable.

Article 3:

The creation of the Incendiary Device Watchdog Council will report every year on U.N member states progress in phasing out the use of the white phosphorous weapon as an offensive weapon.

The IDWC would then proceed to document any illegal violations of the resolution by U.N member states, who after the ten year period may engage in incendiary weapon offensives tactics. The Council will note the evidence and open the way for civilian victims to be financially compensated for the actions that may cause damage to property, injury or death.

Article 4:

Incendiary weapons are defined as:

Napalm
White Phosphorous
thermite
chlorine trifluroide

and they effect the conventional weapon; flame thrower as well as air borne missiles and bombs that may use incendiary ammunitions.


* note; information has been noted from Wikipedia white phosphorous (WP) section.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorous
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incendiary_weapon
http://www.eoinmacleod.com/
http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic918.htm

* note; information has been noted from Wikipedia white phosphorous (WP) section.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorous
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incendiary_weaponBzzt. Redraft. It's got to stand alone. C/P from Wiki ain't gonna cut it.

Huh??

Proposals are original works. Copying large portions from Wikipedia is not acceptable.

Fourth draft:

Banning the use of Incendiary weapons in Offensive Action
Category: Global Disarmament
Strength: Significant

Incendiary weapons are structured in a large bomb casing that is filled with small sticks of incendiaries (bomblets) designed to open at an altitude which results in the bomblets scattering in order to cover a wide area. A charge would ignite the incendiary material that will result in a raging fire, that burns at extreme temperatures that can destroy most buildings made of wood or other combustible materials.

For example, white phosphorous incendiary ammunitions can be used for two means. One of the means that they can be used for is to protect soldiers of one’s army when it is dark by lighting up the enemy. The second way it can be used is as a weapon which can cause horrible deaths to the victims of such a weapon.

White phosphorous incendiary weapons can be described as an incendiary agent as well as a smoke-screening agent even though it is capable of causing serious burns. White Phosphorus bombs and shells as incendiary devicescan be used in an offensive actions against enemy troops. White phosphorus has also been described as a chemical weapon.

White phosphorous as well as other incendiary weapons, used in offensive actions is extremely dangerous to one’s troops and civilians because it can produce extensive, deep (second and third degree), painful burns. hosphorus burns carry a greater risk of mortality than other forms of burns due to the absorption of phosphorus into the body through the burned area, resulting in liver, heart and kidney damage, and in some cases multi-organ failure.[4] These weapons are particularly dangerous to exposed people because white phosphorus continues to burn unless deprived of oxygen or until it is completely consumed, in some cases burning right down to the bone.

Article 1:

Reduction of white phosphorous incendiary weapons from offensive military operations by U.N member states.

This resolution realizes that it would take militaries some years to arrange their militaries around such a resolution so there guidelines have been created.

Phase (1): Between years 1-3; U.N member states will reduce the use of White Phosphorous, in particular, and other incendiary weapons such as napalm, thermite and others in offensive military operations by U.N member states by 20% at non-civilian center battles (military bases, etc) and a reduction of 40% of the use of white phosphorous and other incendiary weapons such as napalm, thermite as offensive weapons near population centers.

Phase (2): Between years 4-6; the reduction of these incendiary weapons will continue with regards to military operations with a reduction of an additional 30% of the use of white phosphorous, and other incendiary weapons on non-civilian centers (military bases, etc) and the full phase out of these weapons as a offensive weapon around population centers.

Phase (3): Between year 7-10; the final phase out of white phosphorous weapons as an offensive weapon by U.N member states

Article 2:

As a weapon white phosphorous can cause too much destruction and death of innocent people, and therefore, it should be phased out as a offensive weapon. Therefore, the use of white phosphorous weapons as an offensive weapon is cruel and is punishable to innocent civilians. This goes against the Universal Bill of Rights, resolution #22.

This resolution states clearly however that the use of white phosphorous in defensive action and as a use as a smoke-screen, flare is acceptable.

Article 3:

The creation of the Incendiary Device Watchdog Council will report every year on U.N member states progress in phasing out the use of the white phosphorous weapon as an offensive weapon.

The IDWC would then proceed to document any illegal violations of the resolution by U.N member states, who after the ten year period may engage in incendiary weapon offensives tactics. The Council will note the evidence and open the way for civilian victims to be financially compensated for the actions that may cause damage to property, injury or death.

Article 4:

Incendiary weapons are defined as:

Napalm
White Phosphorous
thermite
chlorine trifluroide

and they effect the conventional weapon; flame thrower as well as air borne missiles and bombs that may use incendiary ammunitions.


* note; information has been noted from Wikipedia white phosphorous (WP) section.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorous
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incendiary_weapon
http://www.eoinmacleod.com/
http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic918.htm

ooc: I have changed the most top three to my own words but I am leaving the other one that explains in great detail about what they cause. I do apologize, this is my non-U.N character, I am RPing a terrorist action in another thread so I do apologize.

I don't think you follow.

You cannot cite Wikipedia in your proposal, because it's a RL reference. Therefore, you cannot quote from it, because without citation, it's plagiarism.

Furthermore, look at something like the UN Biological Weapons Ban: is it written this way, with a huge essay stuck up front? No.

I don't think you follow.


I don't think either of them have been paying attention to what they've been told.

Which is why the drafts all look so similar.

Yeah, man, I'm done with this. C'mon, Sheik Nottap, let's leave this to my assistant, Tarquin Fin-tim-lim-bim-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'tang-F'tang-Ole-Biscuitbarrel.

http://www.montypython.art.pl/obrazki/lcmp19-15.jpg

Love, luck and lollipops,
Sheik Larebil bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Fourth draft:

Banning the use of Incendiary weapons in Offensive Action
Category: Global Disarmament
Strength: Significant

Incendiary weapons are structured in a large bomb casing that is filled with small sticks of incendiaries (bomblets) designed to open at an altitude which results in the bomblets scattering in order to cover a wide area. A charge would ignite the incendiary material that will result in a raging fire, that burns at extreme temperatures that can destroy most buildings made of wood or other combustible materials.

For example, white phosphorous incendiary ammunitions can be used for two means. One of the means that they can be used for is to protect soldiers of one’s army when it is dark by lighting up the enemy. The second way it can be used is as a weapon which can cause horrible deaths to the victims of such a weapon.

White phosphorous incendiary weapons can be described as an incendiary agent as well as a smoke-screening agent even though it is capable of causing serious burns. White Phosphorus bombs and shells as incendiary devicescan be used in an offensive actions against enemy troops. White phosphorus has also been described as a chemical weapon.

"White phosphorous as well as other incendiary weapons, used in offensive actions is extremely dangerous to one’s troops and civilians because it can produce extensive, deep (second and third degree), painful burns. Phosphorus burns carry a greater risk of mortality than other forms of burns due to the absorption of phosphorus into the body through the burned area, resulting in liver, heart and kidney damage, and in some cases multi-organ failure"[1]. These weapons are particularly dangerous to exposed people because white phosphorus continues to burn unless deprived of oxygen or until it is completely consumed, in some cases burning right down to the bone.

Article 1:

Reduction of white phosphorous incendiary weapons from offensive military operations by U.N member states.

This resolution realizes that it would take militaries some years to arrange their militaries around such a resolution so there guidelines have been created.

Phase (1): Between years 1-3; U.N member states will reduce the use of White Phosphorous, in particular, and other incendiary weapons such as napalm, thermite and others in offensive military operations by U.N member states by 20% at non-civilian center battles (military bases, etc) and a reduction of 40% of the use of white phosphorous and other incendiary weapons such as napalm, thermite as offensive weapons near population centers.

Phase (2): Between years 4-6; the reduction of these incendiary weapons will continue with regards to military operations with a reduction of an additional 30% of the use of white phosphorous, and other incendiary weapons on non-civilian centers (military bases, etc) and the full phase out of these weapons as a offensive weapon around population centers.

Phase (3): Between year 7-10; the final phase out of white phosphorous weapons as an offensive weapon by U.N member states

Article 2:

As a weapon white phosphorous can cause too much destruction and death of innocent people, and therefore, it should be phased out as a offensive weapon. Therefore, the use of white phosphorous weapons as an offensive weapon is cruel and is punishable to innocent civilians. This goes against the Universal Bill of Rights, resolution #22.

This resolution states clearly however that the use of white phosphorous in defensive action and as a use as a smoke-screen, flare is acceptable.

Article 3:

The creation of the Incendiary Device Watchdog Council will report every year on U.N member states progress in phasing out the use of the white phosphorous weapon as an offensive weapon.

The IDWC would then proceed to document any illegal violations of the resolution by U.N member states, who after the ten year period may engage in incendiary weapon offensives tactics. The Council will note the evidence and open the way for civilian victims to be financially compensated for the actions that may cause damage to property, injury or death.

Article 4:

Incendiary weapons are defined as:

Napalm
White Phosphorous
thermite
chlorine trifluroide

and they effect the conventional weapon; flame thrower as well as air borne missiles and bombs that may use incendiary ammunitions.


* note; footnoting
1.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorous
other sources of info not quoted
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incendiary_weapon
http://www.eoinmacleod.com/
http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic918.htm

For fuck's sake...

Don't just post endless drafts. Read the comments being made on them, and give some indication that you've read them, and understand them. You have a Game Mod telling you that your proposal is illegal; you have several UN posters telling you you need to revise it; yet still you're stuck on "xth draft" autopilot". Are you a terrible proposal spambot or something? Hello? Can you hear me?

HELLOOOO?

I will say this one last time:

YOU CANNOT QUOTE, REFERENCE, OR DIRECTLY COPY WIKIPEDIA.

I don't know how to make this any clearer. I'm not trying to be an ass, but you're simply changing the draft number without make substantive changes.

Banning the use of Incendiary weapons in Offensive Action
Category: Global Disarmament
Strength: Significant

Incendiary weapons are structured to be released by aircraft and open at an altitude which results in the bomblets to scatter which will cover a wide area. The explosive charge from such a weapon burns at such a high temperature that buildings made of wood or other combustible materials are destroyed.
White phosphorous incendiary weapons can be used as a weapon or as a smoke-screening agent. Other incidents of white phosphorous incendiary ammunitions are it can be used to protect soldiers of one’s army when it is dark by lighting up the enemy through the use of flares and other means. However, when used as a weapon, incendiary devices can cause horrible deaths to the victims of such a weapon.

Incendiary weapons causes burns (second and third degree) and if phosphorous enters the body system from these burns it can cause extreme damage to bodily functions especially with regards to the liver, heart, and kindey of its victim. Furthermore, incendiary weapons continue to burn until it is deprived of oxygen which can result in extreme cases of it burning right down to the bone resulting in extreme agony for the victim of such a weapon.

Article 1:

Reduction of white phosphorous incendiary weapons from offensive military operations by U.N member states.

This resolution realizes that it would take militaries some years to arrange their militaries around such a resolution so there guidelines have been created.

Phase (1): Between years 1-3; U.N member states will reduce the use of White Phosphorous, in particular, and other incendiary weapons such as napalm, thermite and others in offensive military operations by U.N member states by 20% at non-civilian center battles (military bases, etc) and a reduction of 40% of the use of white phosphorous and other incendiary weapons such as napalm, thermite as offensive weapons near population centers.

Phase (2): Between years 4-6; the reduction of these incendiary weapons will continue with regards to military operations with a reduction of an additional 30% of the use of white phosphorous, and other incendiary weapons on non-civilian centers (military bases, etc) and the full phase out of these weapons as a offensive weapon around population centers.

Phase (3): Between year 7-10; the final phase out of white phosphorous weapons as an offensive weapon by U.N member states

Article 2:

As a weapon white phosphorous can cause too much destruction and death of innocent people, and therefore, it should be phased out as a offensive weapon. Therefore, the use of white phosphorous weapons as an offensive weapon is cruel and is punishable to innocent civilians. This goes against the Universal Bill of Rights, resolution #22.

This resolution states clearly however that the use of white phosphorous in defensive action and as a use as a smoke-screen, flare is acceptable.

Article 3:

The creation of the Incendiary Device Watchdog Council will report every year on U.N member states progress in phasing out the use of the white phosphorous weapon as an offensive weapon.

The IDWC would then proceed to document any illegal violations of the resolution by U.N member states, who after the ten year period may engage in incendiary weapon offensives tactics. The Council will note the evidence and open the way for civilian victims to be financially compensated for the actions that may cause damage to property, injury or death.

Article 4:

Incendiary weapons are defined as:

Napalm
White Phosphorous
thermite
chlorine trifluroide

and they effect the conventional weapon; flame thrower as well as air borne missiles and bombs that may use incendiary ammunitions.

OOC: There edited.

Oh. My. God. Please somebody lock this thread.

Oh. My. God. Please somebody lock this thread.

I thought precisely the same thing when I saw the post above yours.

We still cry foul. The author has completely ignored our declaration that there is a difference between offensive operations and international aggression. Offensive action is almost always necessary in the course of national defense; night operations, concealment, and the marking of targets are all essential parts of such legitimate offensive operations (i.e., operations conducted for the purpose of clearing an invader from one's soil).

Under NSUNR #110, all Member nations have the right to procure and maintain any and all weapons necessary for national defense; we assert that WP is such a weapon, a claim which the author has not even addressed, let alone refuted.

Even if the author were to claim that WP is unnecessary for national defense, his claim would have no standing if he can't explain: How a nation is to effectively defend itself if it can't drive invaders from its soil.


How it can drive invaders from its soil without undertaking offensive operations.


Why is should never be necessary for a Member, in the course of conducting offensive operations for the purpose of preserving its territorial integrity in the face of invasion to:


Conduct operations at night.


Conduct operations under cover of concealment (smoke).


Mark targets to facilitate air and artillery fires.


In lieu of the above, the author fails to furnish effective substitutes for WP in support of these legitimate military operations.
Under the circumstances, we have no choice but to seek a ruling from the Parliamentarian (IOW, mods) as to the legality of this resolution in the face of its obvious contradiction of NSUNR #110.

Ca Juana, use the edit button instead. Don't keep posting draft after draft without listening to the others. If you're so in love with the way your proposal looks, then don't even bother posting it here. You have to be willing to change stuff. The Resolution at vote looked nothing like it did when it was first drafted. Stop just changing a few words, dropping in a draft, and actually dialogue with us.

Or, post it as is, get a warning, ignore the warning, post it again unchanged, get ejected from the UN, come here to pointlessly whine about your "unwarranted" ejection.Either is fine with me.

The Beloved President for Life of The Democratic Republic of Excruciatia loves the smell of white phosphorous in the morning... :D Especially when enemy soldiers or Excruciatian civilians are carrying a lot of fluffy kittens when he uses it on them.

Great to see a "Come on people now, Smile on your brother, Everybody get together, Try to love one another right now" resolution with more bugs than the Volkswagen factory :D Keep it bogged!

On the other hand, all the UN nations being forced out of arms dealing increases Excruciatia's market...on the other hand, Excruciatia can't supply everyone, and less arms in the world means less fear, a very counter-revolutionary result...on the other hand, hang on, this isn't Fiddler On The Roof...:rolleyes: :D

Oh. My. God. Please somebody lock this thread.

What for?? If you people are moderators, you guys need some work, I have seen this on another thread as well. Attacking people not going to get you anywhere.

Ca Juana, use the edit button instead. Don't keep posting draft after draft without listening to the others. If you're so in love with the way your proposal looks, then don't even bother posting it here. You have to be willing to change stuff. The Resolution at vote looked nothing like it did when it was first drafted. Stop just changing a few words, dropping in a draft, and actually dialogue with us.

Now i am happy to change stuff, everything has been changed into my words so if some moron believes I have plagarised I haven't that has been changed. However, if someone intelligently said, well this can be approved, and maybe edit that like

Bloodthirsty Dolphins does, I will be happy to look into that.

However, if this is about plagarism BS, that has already been fixed.

thought precisely the same thing when I saw the post above yours.

Oh. My. God. Please somebody lock this thread.

You two really need to come up with something else to do with yourself.

Hey, you know? Posting bunches of drafts with few differences isn't going to make you any friends. Whining and attacking when people complain won't either.

You blatantly plagiarised from the Wikipedia article. There are still parts which were taken from it. Plagiarism will get you a swift mod action.

Now, seriously, you need to stop, read the FAQ, and check out some of the other threads. Come back when you do.

Another draft:

Banning Offensive Action of Incendiary Weapons
Category: Global Disarmament
Strength: Significant

Incendiary weapons; are munitions that are to be dispersed over a wide area. The explosive charge; results in an extremely high temperature that results in buildings made of wood or other combustible materials collapsing under such heat. Incendiary weapons causes burns (second and third degree) that may enter the body system, from these burns, that attacks and damages the body functions especially with regards to the liver, heart, and kindey of its victim. Furthermore, incendiary weapons continue to burn until it is deprived of oxygen which can result in it burning straight to the bone.

Incendiary weapons can be used as a weapon and as an 'offensive' weapon they inflict horrible deaths onto 'innocent' civilian and military personnel. These people in the future will continue to face problems with deformaties and other issues if they so survive such an attack.

However, this Resolution urges that Incendiary weapons, including white phosphorous be maintained in a defensive measure with regards to invasion by other nations and for other actions. White Phosphorous for example can be also used as a smoke-screen or flare that does not cause 'problems' for people and it helps protect one's military in case of night time operations or to laser in an enemy target. The resolution is not targetting white phosphorous and other incidenary devices in that means but as the use of a weapon.

Also, the use of an emission type smoke shell, or grenade, as well as a flare does not use the chemicals that make up white phosphorous and is just as effective as a white phosphorous concussion smoke projectile.

Article 1:

Reduction of incendiary weapons from offensive military operations by U.N member states.

Phase (1): Between years 1-5; U.N member states will reduce the use of white phosphorous, in particular, and other incendiary weapons such as napalm, thermite and others in offensive military operations by U.N member states by 20% at non-civilian center battles (military bases, etc) and a reduction of 40% of the use of white phosphorous and other incendiary weapons such as napalm, thermite as offensive weapons near population centers.

Phase (2): Between years 6-10; the reduction of these incendiary weapons will continue with regards to military operations with a reduction of an additional 30% of the use of white phosphorous, and other incendiary weapons on non-civilian centers (military bases, etc) and the full phase out of these weapons as a offensive weapon around population centers.

Phase (3): Between year 11-15; the final phase out of white phosphorous weapons as an offensive weapon by U.N member states

Article 2:

The creation of the Incendiary Device Watchdog Council will report every year on U.N member states progress in phasing out the use of the white phosphorous weapon as an offensive weapon.

The IDWC would then proceed to document any illegal violations of the resolution by U.N member states, who after the ten year period may engage in incendiary weapon offensives tactics. The Council will note the evidence and open the way for civilian victims to be financially compensated for the actions that may cause damage to property, injury or death.

Article 3:

Incendiary weapons are defined as:

Napalm
White Phosphorous
thermite
chlorine trifluroide

and they effect the conventional weapon; flame thrower as well as air borne missiles and bombs that may use incendiary ammunitions.

Article 5:

This resolution recommends that U.N member states look into other ammunitions that does not cause as much destructive damage as a incedinary weapon. The resolution recommends engaging in research to build ammunitions that deal with an electromatic pulse, so upon impact they send out an electromagnetic pulse that will cripple an opponent, especially if they are targetting a U.N member state for territory.

Creating weapons combacted with oxygen result in a huger explosion than a Incedinary device, however, these kinds of weapons do not cause the pain and suffering that results from a incedinary weapon.

Hey, you know? Posting bunches of drafts with few differences isn't going to make you any friends. Whining and attacking when people complain won't either.

You blatantly plagiarised from the Wikipedia article. There are still parts which were taken from it. Plagiarism will get you a swift mod action.

Now, seriously, you need to stop, read the FAQ, and check out some of the other threads. Come back when you do.

Yeah, you guys attack first. And i am stating a point of fact. I have seen this in another U.N thread by several of you on another newbie member.

Stating fact.

Ca Juana, you were offered polite and respectful advice early in the thread. You ignored it.

You were offered suggestions about strength and plagarism early in the thread. You ignored them for quite a while, then took out the blatently illegal links, leaving the essay.

You were told in no uncertain terms to remove the plagarised portions of your essay, or your proposal would be deleted immediately upon submission. You continue to ignore that.

You were advised that the standard procedure in these forums was to edit the original post rather than posting minor variant drafts one after another. You ignored that.

Now you're whining that you don't get the respect you deserve. That we attack newbs without provocation. And apparently assuming that non-moderators are moderators, and people with the glaring "NationStates Moderator Team" under their names are just regular guys who can also be ignored.

There comes a point where we naturally assume that anything we could possibly add to your understanding of the rules will be ignored. You've reached that point and passed it, speeding. You may safely assume that we'll no longer pay attention to you, unless and until you take the time to RESPOND to the good advice you were given.

Cheers.

Okay, fine. You want criticism of your proposal? I'll be happy to oblige.


Another draft:

Banning the use of Incendiary weapons in Offensive Action
Category: Global Disarmament
Strength: Significant

Incendiary weapons; are munitions that are to be dispersed over a wide area. The explosive charge; results in an extremely high temperature that results in buildings made of wood or other combustible materials collapsing under such heat. Incendiary weapons causes burns (second and third degree) that may enter the body system, from these burns, that attacks and damages the body functions especially with regards to the liver, heart, and kindey of its victim. Furthermore, incendiary weapons continue to burn until it is deprived of oxygen which can result in it burning straight to the bone.

Okeeedokee.

Incendiary weapons can be used as a weapon and as an 'offensive' weapon they inflict horrible deaths onto 'innocent' civilian and military personnel. These people in the future will continue to face problems with deformaties and other issues if they so survive such an attack.

Okay then.

However, this Resolution urges that Incendiary weapons, including white phosphorous be maintained in a defensive measure with regards to invasion by other nations and for other actions. White Phosphorous for example can be also used as a smoke-screen or flare that does not cause 'problems' for people and it helps protect one's military in case of night time operations or to laser in an enemy target. The resolution is not targetting white phosphorous and other incidenary devices in that means but as the use of a weapon.

You don't need an example in the actualy text. Your grammar needs to be fixed. Also, drop the reference to incendiary weapons- if you're going to outlaw the offensive use of incendiary weapons, do it. If you want to outlaw just White Phosphorous, do that. Don't muddy the waters.

Also, the use of an emission type smoke shell, or grenade, as well as a flare does not use the chemicals that make up white phosphorous and is just as effective as a white phosphorous concussion smoke projectile.

Personal opinion. Are you a military technician, chemist, scientist, or otherwise employed in a scientific capacity that makes you certified to state this? Or did you just pull it from wikipedia?

Article 1:

Reduction of white phosphorous incendiary weapons from offensive military operations by U.N member states.

This resolution realizes that it would take militaries some years to arrange their militaries around such a resolution so there guidelines have been created.

This wording is muddled and confusing. It's also out of line with the preamble. If you're banning the weapons in an offensive sense, why do you need to reduce the stockpile? If the Empire is attacked, I want to have evey means necessary to defend my citizens. White Phosphorous could be one of them.

Phase (1): Between years 1-3; U.N member states will reduce the use of White Phosphorous, in particular, and other incendiary weapons such as napalm, thermite and others in offensive military operations by U.N member states by 20% at non-civilian center battles (military bases, etc) and a reduction of 40% of the use of white phosphorous and other incendiary weapons such as napalm, thermite as offensive weapons near population centers.

No. You will not take my incendiary weapons away from me. You are deliberatly changing the scope of the resolution to hit ALL incendiary weapons, rather than white phosphorous as you previously specified. Disingenuous indeed.

Phase (2): Between years 4-6; the reduction of these incendiary weapons will continue with regards to military operations with a reduction of an additional 30% of the use of white phosphorous, and other incendiary weapons on non-civilian centers (military bases, etc) and the full phase out of these weapons as a offensive weapon around population centers.

What? Continued reduction? For "offensive" weapons? What about defensive weapons? All of Allech-Atreus's white phosphorous weapons are for defensive purposes only.

Phase (3): Between year 7-10; the final phase out of white phosphorous weapons as an offensive weapon by U.N member states

Ten fucking years to disarm? To disarm white phosphorous weapons? That's just plain stupid. If your military takes that long to get it's shit together, you need to rethink your policies. It's ridiculous, too, to say that for the 8 years after this resolution is passed, UN nations can still use white phosphorous weapons. If you are going to ban it, ban it now. Anything else is stupid.

Article 2:

As a weapon white phosphorous can cause too much destruction and death of innocent people, and therefore, it should be phased out as a offensive weapon. Therefore, the use of white phosphorous weapons as an offensive weapon is cruel and is punishable to innocent civilians. This goes against the Universal Bill of Rights, resolution #22.

This resolution states clearly however that the use of white phosphorous in defensive action and as a use as a smoke-screen, flare is acceptable.

HUGE FUCKING LOOPHOLE ALERT. HUGE FUCKING LOOPHOLE ALERT.

Did everyone catch that?

Article 3:

The creation of the Incendiary Device Watchdog Council will report every year on U.N member states progress in phasing out the use of the white phosphorous weapon as an offensive weapon.

Another useless fucking committee! Yay!

The IDWC would then proceed to document any illegal violations of the resolution by U.N member states, who after the ten year period may engage in incendiary weapon offensives tactics. The Council will note the evidence and open the way for civilian victims to be financially compensated for the actions that may cause damage to property, injury or death.

Unnecessary committee, again. There are countless committees that you could give the authority to. There is no need to make another.

Article 4:

Incendiary weapons are defined as:

Napalm
White Phosphorous
thermite
chlorine trifluroide

and they effect the conventional weapon; flame thrower as well as air borne missiles and bombs that may use incendiary ammunitions.

Now, there you go again, extending the scope of the resolution to weapons other than what you initially stated! How fucking stupid do you think we are?

Okay, happy? I reviewed your proposal.

I would not vote for this piece of garbage, even if I was drunk, stoned, and possessed at the same time. There are loopholes bigger than Manuelo Fernanda's di... ego, and you make muddle the focus of the resolution and try to outlaw all incendiary weapons.

You can bet that if this ever reached the floor, which it will not, and if this were ever passed, which it will not, NO NATION with incendiary weapons would give them up. Why not? Because they're all for defensive purposes now! In fact, the Imperial High Command has just informed me that, after reviewing this resolution, they're classifying all their incendiary weapons as "for defensive use." In a war, we always need to defend our boys from the enemy.

There.

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Good plan. Flaming is unacceptable.

Now stop for a minute with your revisions and go read the two threads appended to the end of my signature. Read them both carefully, with both your forum responses and your proposal in mind. I mean it. Do it now.

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