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The UN needs to recognize the postive effects that legalizing the use of all controlled substances can have on our nations. I have put a prop in front of the UN Propsosal Board to be approved by the UN Delegates. Please read this act and give your honest opion to approve the act on the laws that I have instate. If you disagree with this act please let me know what you feel would be right to have less regulations on these drugs.

Thank you for you thoughts,
The United States of Flores Mafia

Sorry, but I missed my morning cup of coffee today. As such, my laziness knows no bounds, and therefore I kindly ask you to post a copy of the proposal in this thread (standard practice). Thank you.

Sigh. If you're going to post something about your proposal, please, for the love of whatever thing you may pray to, post a bloody copy of the proposal itself.

Trust me, it really helps.

I appoligize for not suppling a copy of the prop, I am a new nation so I am still learning the way of the world. Here is the copy you requested:

Controlled Substance Act

Legize

Description: Currently, most nations have bans against the use of controlled substance, but recent debates on the UN Board have show that Nation leaders would vote to legalize the use of controlled substances. The Controlled Substance Act would:

1) Legalize the use of all mind-altering drugs
2) Allow anyone to posses all controlled substances
3) Allow the harvest of all controlled substances in a proper manner
4) Have stricter penalties for those who create crime, disrupt the peace of other, or drive under the influence of these controlled substances, which will result in immediate jail time and restrictions to purchase the drugs.
5) Allow the sale of controlled substances from business entities
6) Allowing National Taxation on the drugs.
7) Allow anyone over the age of 16 to use these controlled substances including alcohol

If this Proposal passes with the UN you will realize a drop in the crime created by controlled substance users. The proposal is to help cure the street violence created by controlled substance users trying to steal the dealers supply. By passing the Controlled Substance Act, the sale of controlled substances will be in properly disclosed business entities only. These substances are going to be used one way or another by our nation's citizens, why not start making money off of them and resolve some of the crime and deaths involved with these drugs!

Thank you. Sorry for jumping down your throat about it. There has been an influx of people not posting their proposals for people to read and help with. It grates on the nerves after a while.

I'll take a better look in a bit.

Again, thank you for posting the proposal here.

No problem I totally understand the disrespect you get from people who don't take the simple advise you give them. Take your time to review the Prop and please post back with your honist thoughts on how it could be changed for the better or if you are totally against it.

Thank you

I appoligize for not suppling a copy of the prop, I am a new nation so I am still learning the way of the world.
S'okay. We all were once.

Description: Currently, most nations have bans against the use of controlled substance, but recent debates on the UN Board have show that Nation leaders would vote to legalize the use of controlled substances.
A link to your source for this would be much appreciated.

1) Legalize the use of all mind-altering drugs
Even those that cause almost-certain death or permanent mind-alteration? This seems to be an overly broad clause that doesn't have substantial support or evidence behind it.

2) Allow anyone to posses all controlled substances
Including children, I presume.

3) Allow the harvest of all controlled substances in a proper manner
A definition of "proper" is necessary here.

4) Have stricter penalties for those who create crime, disrupt the peace of other, or drive under the influence of these controlled substances, which will result in immediate jail time and restrictions to purchase the drugs.
For many nations, immediate jail time would be a more lenient punishment for these offenders. Again, you've failed to be specific enough here.

5) Allow the sale of controlled substances from business entities
Technically, doesn't the sale of something imply that the vendor is in fact a business entity, and therefore the creepy guy selling crack on the corner is in accordance with this clause? In order to enforce what you're getting at, you need to specify what makes a business legitimate.

6) Allowing National Taxation on the drugs.
Unnecessary clause, unless you fear UN legislation in the future will strip nations of the right to tax controlled substances and are therefore including this statement as a blocker.

7) Allow anyone over the age of 16 to use these controlled substances including alcohol
Please provide reasons for this arbitrary choice that will trump an individual nation's right to establish reasonable age limits.

If this Proposal passes with the UN you will realize a drop in the crime created by controlled substance users. The proposal is to help cure the street violence created by controlled substance users trying to steal the dealers supply. By passing the Controlled Substance Act, the sale of controlled substances will be in properly disclosed business entities only.
I don't see how this will cure the street violence. If a nation is taxing its legitimate businesses' sale of controlled substances, then street dealers will easily be able to sell the substances at a much lower cost anyway.
These substances are going to be used one way or another by our nation's citizens, why not start making money off of them and resolve some of the crime and deaths involved with these drugs!
Your citizens may have a drug problem, and for that I express my regrets. We don't see a need to impose what should be an internal piece of legislation upon the entire UN community, however.

Against.

There’s a major loophole that’s very appealing to us should this debacle succeed. We won’t say what it is in case you modify to remove said loophole but it should be blindingly obvious what more socially conservative nations such as Ithania would do with respect to certain clauses.;)

Legalize the use of all mind-altering drugs
Allow anyone over the age of 16 to use these controlled substances including alcohol


So you are going to blanket every nation who is a member of the UN by assuming their age of maturity is sixteen when we have nations whose people could live for hundreds of years each or have citizens who aren’t even human? Congratulations on demonstrating that you instantly have no respect for the nations you're trying to convince to vote in favour...:rolleyes:

You’re going to completely ignore the fact that many nations have State Education systems which continue beyond the age of sixteen and by completely legalising “mind alerting substances” you will, in effect, be reducing the education system to its knees?

At sixteen the mind hasn’t finished developing so by completely legalising all mind altering substances and making them readily available you’re going to damage the ultimate ultrastructure of a person's mind. *clenches her teeth*

Have you any idea whatsoever how much the rates of schizophrenia and related psychological illnesses would increase due to being able to have any amount, at any time among such a young group in society? Have you any idea how the productivity of a nation would decrease?

*Sigh* We’re already getting very emotive over this issue but the increase in national medical costs for the disabled, crime level increase because of addiction (you can’t honestly tell me price would be so low children would have the necessary capital to feed their habit?), infertility level increase, foetal damage, nerve damage, increased exposure to bioactive chemicals, etc… means the nation of Ithania gives a resounding “no” and encourages all other self-determining nations to do so for the sake of their economic and social performance adaptability.

It may be well and good that you wish to legalise it in your nation and please do but don’t then take that model and try to force it on the rest of the world claiming your country is an oh so perfect paradigm for all others. We wouldn’t dream of attempting to ban the use of drugs on an international basis just because our nation has had success with it! That wrongly assumes we're right and the rest of the international community doesn't know what's best for themselves.:mad:

It seems to prove that a conservative society can tolerate the existence of a liberal civilization, but a liberal civilization can’t tolerate the existence of a conservative society.:rolleyes:

(OOC: I’m nowhere near this Conservative and wish you the best of luck with your proposal but maybe you should leave it up to each individual nations?:) )

Thank you for the very detailed input. I will keep all your information in mind for a future redrafting of my prop. I overstand all your thoughts and agree with most of them. Luckily it is only a first draft to see where everyone stands. I now understand that Proposals need to be in plain definition and detail of what I want to have happen. I understand that this prop was written under immaturity and needs to be revised many times to get the proper points across. Again thank you for your input, I hope I can expect the same in the future.

Regards,
The United State of Flores Mafia

Alrighty then. Here we go.

Controlled Substance Act

Legize

Just at a quick glimpse, please before you even think about resubmitting this, use a spell check. It will save you a lot of grief.

Description: Currently, most nations have bans against the use of controlled substance, but recent debates on the UN Board have show that Nation leaders would vote to legalize the use of controlled substances. The Controlled Substance Act would:

I have no idea where you are getting your information. There has been on ambassador who has been um...using mind altering substances. That is his preference and not really any of our business.

1) Legalize the use of all mind-altering drugs

This can be dealt with by individual nations. There is no reason for the UN to get involved.

2) Allow anyone to posses all controlled substances

Anyone? So, what you're saying is that, within my nation, I should allow a three year old to possess these controlled substances? I think not. You need to be more specific with this one.

3) Allow the harvest of all controlled substances in a proper manner

What is the "proper manner"? You need to explain this.

4) Have stricter penalties for those who create crime, disrupt the peace of other, or drive under the influence of these controlled substances, which will result in immediate jail time and restrictions to purchase the drugs.

You're not taking into account the nations that have no jails or deal with there criminals by executing them. What would the sentence be?

5) Allow the sale of controlled substances from business entities

So, if this were to pass, a toy store within my nation could sell drugs. Again, I think not.

6) Allowing National Taxation on the drugs.

I refuse to support something that would raise my tax rate.

7) Allow anyone over the age of 16 to use these controlled substances including alcohol

See, you should have said this earlier. I still don't like the idea. All of this is something that could be dealt with by individual nations. This is not for the UN to decide.

If this Proposal passes with the UN you will realize a drop in the crime created by controlled substance users. The proposal is to help cure the street violence created by controlled substance users trying to steal the dealers supply. By passing the Controlled Substance Act, the sale of controlled substances will be in properly disclosed business entities only. These substances are going to be used one way or another by our nation's citizens, why not start making money off of them and resolve some of the crime and deaths involved with these drugs!

Legalizing drugs will not help to lower the crime rate. Yes, the drugs may be legal, but you're still going to have people committing crimes while under the influence. In my nation, drinking alcohol is legal, but there are still going to be people driving under the influence. Making it illegal would deter people, but it would completely abolish alcohol related crimes. People will still break the rules and people will still die. It's a part of life, whether we like it or not.

I don't see why this is any of our business. I'm doing just fine deciding these things for my nation. I don't need the UN stepping in for me.

I have no constructive criticism for you.

What happened to not mentioning the loophole?

The Kingdom of Altanar allows the legal use of recreational drugs for those above our age of maturity, which is the age of 17. However, we do not feel that the rest of the world should be subjected to such a standard, if they do not desire it. For that reason, we would be forced to abstain if this proposal ever came up for a vote.

At the risk of sounding terrifyingly NatSov, I'd like to point out how this proposal seems to deal with an issue that is a bit below the UN. Although certainly perhaps the issue as a whole is something that may need attention, I think arbitrarily legalizing ALL mind-altering drugs is a bit much. At the same time, it also leaves tons of room for resolution abusers to turn this into a way to manufacture chemical weapons. I'm sure some nerve gasses must alter your mind.

The heroin trade from Gurglestan has raped and destroyed the fragile innocence of many of Gruenberg's youth. We could never support a proposal that would force us to permit this odious and destructive narcotic cancer.

I would also like to emphasise that in no way is our position on this stance compromised by my having to deliver this statement, given Mr Pyandran is currently giggling at a mirror in his room shouting, "Wow, purple!"

~Lori Jiffjeff
Legal Aide
Minister of Sandy Vaginas
Chair, "Mothers Against Weird Stuff"

Whoa...hey, Lori, can you get me some of whatever Rono took?

Love, luck and lollipops,
Sheik Larebil bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

While I believe the arguments put forth in this proposal are, on the whole, valid ones, I'm not convinced this is truly an international issue. Also, cultural sensitivities may come into play for many nations.

If this comes to a vote, I will probably have to abstain or vote against.


Christelle Zyryanov,
Ambassador to the United Nations,
PDSRA

Whoa...hey, Lori, can you get me some of whatever Rono took?
Meet me out back...

~Kirby Duggan
Environmental Advisor
Former Chair, Gruenberg Hemp Advisory Board

"Controlled Substances" implies that somebody somewhere is controlling something. Somebody wanna point out where in UN history we ever defined substances as being "controlled"?

I'm thinking maybe whale blubber and biological weapons may be controlled by the UN, but I think this thing is about drugs, innit? Far as I know, the only aspect of drug control occurs during euthanasia.

Feel free to correct me. Otherwise, this entire thing needs a redesign from scratch.