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The Glorious Dictatorship of NS_Reichs_Land UN Delegate has lodged a proposal with the UN as demanded by The Fuhrer to help 'control' undesirables.

We now need 121 UN members to click into the UN and view all proposals. Please vote for our resolution dealing with The Management of Undesirables. This proposal currently sits on page 7 of the current proposals. Only 121 UN votes are required for this important legislation to be put to a full UN vote.

When asking for support, folks around here tend to expect you to show them what you want supported.

Title: Management of Undesirables

Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: NS Reichs Land

Description: We propose the UN suspend Human Rights Laws to allow individual states to inter undesirables within it's own state in 'work camps' to increase condfidence in a nations individual security concerns and also to allow the said nation to use this 'undesirable' labour for environmental and military improvements. We furthur propose that as individual nations we be allowed to decide who we class as undesirable within our soverign states without interferance from the UN.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 121 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sun Sep 17 2006

Looks blatantly illegal to me. Suspending human rights sure as hell don't fit in a category for improving human rights.

HotRodian UN Representative
Accelerus Dioce

As per title - apologies

I am defending the human rights of my national socialist residents from interfering liberals and commies

As per title - apologies

I am defending the human rights of my national socialist residents from interfering liberals and commies

What rights are those, exactly? I ain't a fan of liberals or communists, but I also ain't got much regard for pansies who want the right to not be offended by hearing other viewpoints and living with folks who might not agree with them on everything.

And if you want to get rid of the human rights legislation by the United Nations, you'll have to repeal the Human Rights resolutions. You can't just make a proposal declaring them suspended. Take a look at the proposal rules and some of the other reading material available on the UN to see why. Hell, I'll work with you to repeal some of them if you want.

HotRodian UN Representative
Accelerus Dioce

Good luck repealing basic human rights legislation, my friends. You'll be met with many oppose votes, including my own.

We very strongly support this legislation, and hope no one notices its blatant illegality.

~Lori Jiffjeff
Legal Aide
Minister of Sandy Vaginas
Chair, "Mothers Against Weird Stuff"

We very strongly support this legislation, and hope no one notices its blatant illegality.

~Lori Jiffjeff
Legal Aide
Minister of Sandy Vaginas
Chair, "Mothers Against Weird Stuff"

Well, I noticed :p.

But I'm one of those horrible liberal commies who supports human rights.

I am defending the human rights of my national socialist residents from interfering liberals and commies

Then drop out of the UN and run things your way. As long as you're here, you have to follow the UN's ideas about Human Rights.

Proposal deleted.

Description: We propose the UN suspend Human Rights Laws to allow individual states to inter undesirables within it's own state in 'work camps' to increase condfidence in a nations individual security concerns and also to allow the said nation to use this 'undesirable' labour for environmental and military improvements. We furthur propose that as individual nations we be allowed to decide who we class as undesirable within our soverign states without interferance from the UN.
I find this to be a sensible proposal.

*turns to an aide and whispers*

Can we not already do these things?

OOC: Work camps? Undesirables? NS Reichs Land (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_nation/nation=ns%20reichs%20land)? Just ban this guy already. :rolleyes:

OOC: Work camps? Undesirables? NS Reichs Land (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_nation/nation=ns%20reichs%20land)? Just ban this guy already. :rolleyes:

Who the hell do you think you are? What is the point of the game if you don't have extreme opinions. Would it not be darn boring if everyone agreed with the same things?

You sad tw@ts in here need to get a life - this is only a game it's not real!!!

Who the hell do you think you are? What is the point of the game if you don't have extreme opinions. Would it not be darn boring if everyone agreed with the same things?

You sad tw@ts in here need to get a life - this is only a game it's not real!!!


OOC: Sad twats? And yes, I can actually type that out without my parents' filter blocking it. :rolleyes: Welcome to Ignoreland.

Then drop out of the UN and run things your way. As long as you're here, you have to follow the UN's ideas about Human Rights.

Proposal deleted.

You really are stuck so far up your own ass. Surely if my proposal reached the number required it should be voted on. If not it would expire anyway. What the hell is the point of deleting it? All that says is you get wood by having the power to delete proposals (in a very undemocratic way)

Saddo

OOC: Sad twats? And yes, I can actually type that out without my parents' filter blocking it. :rolleyes: Welcome to Ignoreland.

I'm 33 and don't live at home. I put the @ in on purpose in case there was a filter in the forum

So go screw yourself

Such animosity. Remember,
this is only a game it's not real!!!

Perhaps you should take your own advice and calm down. Based on your own reaction, it's fairly obvious that, even though it's just a game, there are some people who want to take it seriously. Furthermore, you DID try to delete the Human Rights category and its contents, which is established by the creator of the game (and thus almighty god) and his minions (the moderators-lol) as illegal. Regardless of any of our opinions, their word is, quite frankly, law. You might want to try... asking and debating, rather than just one-liner insults back and forth.

Of course, I'm saying this assuming you've not already been deleted for said insults.

You really are stuck so far up your own ass. Surely if my proposal reached the number required it should be voted on. If not it would expire anyway. What the hell is the point of deleting it? All that says is you get wood by having the power to delete proposals (in a very undemocratic way)

SaddoListen to us very, very carefully.

There are rules here.

You should read the rules before you begin spouting off - or, as we say in the venacular of Community Property, “Engage brain before putting mouth in gear.”

An “illegal” proposal is one that can not be brought to a vote because it violates the NSUN rules of order. The mods not only have the right but an obligation to delete illegal proposals so that we don't waste our time voting on something that could never be permitted anyway.

Surprisingly (or not) most proposals are illegal. The more blatantly illegal ones get deleted immediately, the less blatantly illegal ones get deleted if they get close to queue.

So why is your proposal illegal?

Well, for starters, it's a category violation. “Human Rights” proposals always give people more freedom, so - whatever Orwellian claptrap you may offer - any proposal that sends people to internment camps can not be a “Human Rights” proposal. Period. What you want is “Moral Decency”.

But if you'd bothered to actually read the rules - or “RTFR” in the Kennyite venacular - you'd have known this.

Second, no resolution may contradict, duplicate, or amend another resolution already on the books. Since we already have resolutions protecting people from being treated the way you propose to treat “undesirables”, this amendment is guilty of contradiction and therefore illegal. That is why so much of what we do here revolves around repeal.

So if you want your resolution to pass, you will have to get every “blocking” resolution off the books first.

There are other reasons why your proposal is illegal, but we'll keep it simple and start with just those two.

The lesson? Before you make a fool of yourself, read the rules and act like you've read them. Difficult, we grant you, but we're sure that you can manage.

Or not.I'm 33 and don't live at home.If you're 33, you're not acting like it. Grow up.

OOC: Community Property and the Wolf Guardians are giving you some very good advice here, NS Reichs Land. Do pay attention to it.

Take the time to read the rules (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465) and the other stickied posts, then put a draft of any proposals here for comments so we can make sure its legal. That way you won't get another proposal deleted.

While you are perfectly within the rules to express your extreme views, keep in mind that others are also perfectly welcome to disagree with them.

And finally, attacking other posters is against the rules of the forum, and attacking a Moderator, especially one who's just doing his job by deleting an illegal proposal, is just asking for a harsher punishment. Check out the One-Stop Rules Shop (there's a link in my sig) in the Moderation forum to get a better sense of the forum rules, and start following them.

NationStates Forum Moderator
HotRodia

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