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I have resubmitted this. Have at it people.

The United Nations,

RECOGNIZING the Universal right to privacy for sexual relations;

COMMENDING the intent of Sexual Freedom to protect such privacy;

MINDFUL of various important reasons, for example, criminal investigations and public safety, where the government has a legitimate right to protect its citizens;

CONCERNED that the limitation of UNR #7 to the "home" does not allow for non "home" private settings, such as rental properties, hotel rooms, etc.;

FEARFUL that the resolution, as written may result in unreported epidemics, unsolved murders, and a number of other problems which can have a dramatic impact on the population at large;

WISHING to curtail continued omissions;

ENCOURAGING a more detailed replacement; hereby

REPEALS UNR#7 Sexual Freedom

I would be more than happy to approve this proposal, unfortunatly I'm not a frakking delegate anymore. *glares at any DEN members who might be present*

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

I would be more than happy to approve this proposal, unfortunatly I'm not a frakking delegate anymore. *glares at any DEN members who might be present*

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

:confused: What happened? Why do my favourite delegates keep losing their delegate positions? :(

Anyway, thanks for letting know that if you could, you would approve it.

:confused: What happened?

OOC: Last month Final Fantasy was region crashed, after I regained the delegacy, I asked the region if they wanted to refound to prevent further crashes. They agreed, yesterday the region was finally empty and the game deleted it, but before I could refound it DEN did so.

OOC: Yeah, the DEN really impressed me with that stunt.

IC: Karmicaria, I have approved your proposal.

IC: Karmicaria, I have approved your proposal.

I noticed. Thank you. :)

Wolfgang stands, in that way that would seem to indicate he wouldn't be standing for long. "The Commonwealth approves, one hundred percent."

The Proposal should be improve with a condition which do not permit TV or any other media to show sex between animals. To solve problem with animalists.

Note that if somebody have animalists proposals should not allowed TV to show sex between animals. Privacy is not just a human right.

I'm not animalist but I want animalist to think about that.

The Proposal should be improved too with appropriate conditions about porn movies and videos.

From memory, my main issue with the Sexual Freedom resolution was that it validated sexual orientation as a reason to discriminate against blood donors. Which is a slap in the face to many. Apologies if I'm thinking of the wrong resolution, I'm being too lazy to check.

The Proposal should be improve with a condition which do not permit TV or any other media to show sex between animals. To solve problem with animalists.

Note that if somebody have animalists proposals should not allowed TV to show sex between animals. Privacy is not just a human right.

I'm not animalist but I want animalist to think about that.

The Proposal should be improved too with appropriate conditions about porn movies and videos.
This is just the repeal, so no new legislation can be made. But we encourage you to share your thoughts in the drafting of the almost-certain replacement.

Enrique Lopez
Ambassador to the United Nations

Well I lost me deligate status 258 days ago, (stupid gnomes loosing their roll call lists) but I'm on friendly terms with my regional deligate, so all is not lost.

I know that some people think a rotten resolution is better than no resolution at all, but not in this case. This reslution is beyond vile, at least several orders of infinity beyond moronic and doesn't do what it's supposed to do. Kill it now, while we can and we can work out a resolution that actually does something at a reasonable pace.

At this point, I would like to let people know that there is a replacement in the works. But, no one will see it until this repeal passes. Right now the approvals are low, I'm hoping that it this improves over the next few days.

This is just the repeal, so no new legislation can be made. But we encourage you to share your thoughts in the drafting of the almost-certain replacement.

Enrique Lopez
Ambassador to the United Nations

I greaty prefer to see a replacement, especially when one is almost-certain, before a repeal passes. Let people know the full consequences of a repeal :)

I greaty prefer to see a replacement, especially when one is almost-certain, before a repeal passes. Let people know the full consequences of a repeal :)

You're not going to see the replacement. I do not want people's approvals or votes to be based on what they see in the replacement. I had that problem last time. I do not want to deal with that again.

We wish to give our best wishes to the delegate from Karmicara, for bringing this repeal back to our attention. As the Sexual Freedoms resolution does bopkiss, that alone should be enough reason to repeal the sucker. The Palentine stands firmly in support of this repeal.
Excelsior,
Sen. Horatio Sulla

It's been way too long for an idiotic resolution like this to exist. Unfortunately, the number of approvals don't reflect that. Please know that we will aid you as is necessary, and please don't hesitate to ask for needed help.

Best wishes from Tarmsden.

Thank you. I will be sure to come to you if I find that there is help needed.

Dahlia Black
UN Representative
Queendom of Karmicaria

You're not going to see the replacement. I do not want people's approvals or votes to be based on what they see in the replacement. I had that problem last time. I do not want to deal with that again.

What happened? The replacement sucked? I'm not sure how you will control people's motivations, but I vote for repeals based on what sort of replacement I expect to see passed, or the odd's no replacement will occur.

What happened? The replacement sucked? I'm not sure how you will control people's motivations, but I vote for repeals based on what sort of replacement I expect to see passed, or the odd's no replacement will occur.


No, the replacement did not suck. It seemed to have too much influence over the vote and I do not want that to happen again. There is a replacement. There was the first time I tried this. It hasn't changed much. If people are insisting on seeing a bloody replacement, then I'll gladly TG it to them, but I am not posting it right now.

Dammit, why can't you bloody clowns judge a repeal on the merits of the repeal itself, rather than whining about a fucking replacement?

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

"The Commonwealth must agree. We feel that in this particular case, the original is just too awful to be allowed to live, regardless of the replacement, which we feel will most certainly be excellent, coming from the nation of Karmicaria. Good luck, and we back you all the way."

What happened? The replacement sucked?

There is an old saying, the perfect is the enemy of the good. Instead of concentrating on the arguments for the repeal, and trust me even back then I didn't go into the insanity of how that resolution does everything but promote sexual freedom, people concentrated on the replacement resolution itself. Instead of supplying good ideas on how to make the resolution better, they simply complained that since the replacement resolution was not perfect, they would vote against the repeal.

Remember just because I quote you in my sig doesn't mean I agree with it.

There is another reason as well, frankly this forum is horrid. We all love the quaint notion that we should discuss proposals before they get frozen when placed on the system for approvals, but the fact is that resolutions that are proposed here get so torn to shreds that most are never placed on the queue and those that do never get passed. The ones most likely to be passed are the ones that either pop up as [SUBMITTED] or never see the light of day in this forum in the first place. Sad but true.

What happened? The replacement sucked? I'm not sure how you will control people's motivations, but I vote for repeals based on what sort of replacement I expect to see passed, or the odd's no replacement will occur.

Is it really always necessary to be snide and condescending? The replacement did not "suck". The discussion of the repeal became bogged down in discussion of the replacement. And the honorable representative of Karmicaria is not trying to "control people's motivations". She's trying to keep discussion and consideration focused on the repeal and its merits.

Lorelei M. Ahlmann
Ambassador-at-Large

First of all, I would like to thank the Ambassadors from Cluichstan and Ausserland defending the merits of the repeal.

Now, if I hear one more bloody person say that they are not going to approve or vote for this because they haven't seen a bloody replacement, I will gladly take a page from the book of Kivisto and start choking random endangered critters with random cute, cuddley critters.

I have had it! Drop the replacement and focus on the fucking repeal!

Dahlia Black
UN Representative
Queendom of Karmicaria

I sense a need to tread lightly here. ;)

I, ah, have faith in the proposing delegate's intentions with regards to the replacement, having seen an earlier version. As such, I will lend my support should this repeal hit the floor.

Benedictions,

Thank you for the support, but this baby ain't hitting the floor. It's going to be sucked into the void just like every other failed proposal.

Pity. I just don't understand why people insist on keeping crap resolutions on the books.

Now, if I hear one more bloody person say that they are not going to approve or vote for this because they haven't seen a bloody replacement, I will gladly take a page from the book of Kivisto and start choking random endangered critters with random cute, cuddley critters.
You could always choke the person asking about the replacement. That's what I would do.

Dammit, why can't you bloody clowns judge a repeal on the merits of the repeal itself, rather than whining about a fucking replacement?

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Lol, what merits? The wording of a repeal matters very little to me, except when it is deliberately designed to mislead (saying 40 when it should say 80, that sort of thing).

All a repeal does is undo a previous resolution. One of the biggest impacts all resolutions have is they block future resolutions. The merit of a repeal is decided by it's likely replacement.

If you care more about wording then content, then you can "judge a repeal on the merits of the repeal itself."

I don't. As everyone must be aware by now, I'll support a flawed resolution over a repeal, if I expect it's replacement to be worse, or I think the resolution is better then a blocker. I would think that to be common sense. Doesn't everyone else vote based on the expected future impact?

Lol, what merits? The wording of a repeal matters very little to me, except when it is deliberately designed to mislead (saying 40 when it should say 80, that sort of thing).

All a repeal does is undo a previous resolution. One of the biggest impacts all resolutions have is they block future resolutions. The merit of a repeal is decided by it's likely replacement.

If you care more about wording then content, then you can "judge a repeal on the merits of the repeal itself."

I don't. As everyone must be aware by now, I'll support a flawed resolution over a repeal, if I expect it's replacement to be worse, or I think the resolution is better then a blocker. I would think that to be common sense. Doesn't everyone else vote based on the expected future impact?

You really are dense! That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard! You would rather keep the shit laws on the books? The repeal has merits. Most repeals do. What are their merits? They get rid of the fucking crap laws that don't do a bloody thing except take up space that could be used by a GOOD resolution.

I do not vote for a repeal on the basis of a replacement. I vote either FOR of AGAINST based on the repeal itself. If it's getting rid of a crap resolution, fucking great! Pass it! Get rid of the shite on the books! I'd love to see every single crap law removed from the books. They're all a waste of space. Much like you.

Dahlia Black
UN Representative
Queendom of Karmicaria

You really are dense! That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard! You would rather keep the shit laws on the books? The repeal has merits. Most repeals do. What are their merits? They get rid of the fucking crap laws that don't do a bloody thing except take up space that could be used by a GOOD resolution.

I do not vote for a repeal on the basis of a replacement. I vote either FOR of AGAINST based on the repeal itself. If it's getting rid of a crap resolution, fucking great! Pass it! Get rid of the shite on the books! I'd love to see every single crap law removed from the books. They're all a waste of space. Much like you.

Dahlia Black
UN Representative
Queendom of Karmicaria

Um, perhaps I mistated my point? You seem to be agreeing with me.

"They get rid of the fucking crap laws that don't do a bloody thing except take up space that could be used by a GOOD resolution."

I'm all for getting rid of crap laws if I think they will be replaced by a GOOD resolution.

Crap resolutions are crap resolutions. If everyone hates a resolution then it will get repealed easily, right?

I'm talking about controversial resolutions. The ones that are partly crap, and partly useful.

If they're crap, they're not useful. Run along now.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Wouldn't repealing a resolution before worrying about a replacement law be the logical thing to do?

One would think, since it is a legal necessity to do things in that order. Even if there was an AMAZING replacement in the works, there's no guarantee that it would go through. It might get defeated. Which means it would have to try again later. So the end result is the same, we've repealed a bad Resolution and have no replacement... for the time being. One would eventually go through. So, it's necessary to get rid of the old, bad ones... you know what? nevermind. The "Replacement! Replacement!" people that I've seem don't show any sign of changing, so it really isn't worth it. Karmicaria, my condolences on this attempt, and we will back you entirely every time. UNR 7 is very, very bad, even if well-meant.

I'm talking about controversial resolutions. The ones that are partly crap, and partly useful.

And Sexual Freedom is not part of this category, it is a crap resolution and needs to be flushed.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

I think it is important to make the following point on the following resolution. "Sexual Freedom" cannot be replaced. It is completely impossible to write a resolution to replace the pile of manure that is titled "Sexual Freedom." IMPOSSIBLE.

I will go one step further. It is possible, because this resolution is so awful, that one can actually write a decent resolution on sexual freedoms without ever needing to repeal this resolution at all. (All you need to do is avoid whatever goes on in the privacy of your home and there is no conflict.)

Given this argument the notion of "where's the replacement" is exceptionaly bizzare in this case. What about the replacement for "Keep The World Disease-Free?" I don't hear you insisting on this line of argument in that repeal currently under vote. Will you make the same argument for the repeal of "Support Hemp Production" currently on the queue? Somehow I don't think so. Yes there are some resolutions that need to be taken off of the books because they just need to be taken off of the books.

I think discussing the replacement in a thread that is supposed to be about the repeal creates unnecessary distractions. Let's stop it.

I think discussing the replacement in a thread that is supposed to be about the repeal creates unnecessary distractions. Let's stop it.

Agreed, any replacement would need it's own thread. I like the idea of their being a UN resolution titled "Sexual Freedom" that accomplishes very little, but recommends a lot.

I'm glad that you agree. It is now time to leave this thread alone. Let it die, just as the repeal has.