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Basically I fell we need a resolution that prohibits members from developing or using Ballistic WMD this would Include all missle deployable weapons.

Why are ballistic weapons inherently more dangerous than, say, cruise missles, smart bombs, truck bombs, or other weapons that don't depend on a ballistic delivery method? Such a resolution would be incredibly open to abuse and loopholing, as all you need to do is add a couple of wings or steering thrusters to correctly claim that your missle is not 'ballistic' in nature, and therefore exempt.

Ballistic weapons have a much larger range than cruise misslies a full range ICBM has a range of 12,000 km whereas a long range cruise misslie has a range of only 1000km by comparison meaning you could blow up a city from the other side of the globe without risking pilots or ships

So it's ok to kill people nearby to you with nuclear weapons, but not those far away from you?

Not that I'd support a ban of any kind of nuclear weapon.

You have to remember that non-UN members will still have ICBMs, making UN member states vulnerable.

which is why another resolution I'm draafting will propose a joint ballistic missile defence program

I, for one, can not support this ban. The possibility of retaliation is the only thing that keeps certain rogue governments from attacking other nations, and by removing access to ballistic weapons from only UN member nations, you may be removing those nations' only means of deterrence and/or retaliation.

which is why another resolution I'm draafting will propose a joint ballistic missile defence program

The UN is not allowed to have an army. A nuclear defence system, I would imagine, falls into this category.

Here is the proposed draft resolution:
The UN acknowledges the substantial benefits of reasearch and development of nuclear technology for peaceful means and actively encourages its members to do so.

However disturbed by the prospect of a full scale nuclear war the UN seeks to further reduce the risk of a full scale nuclear conflict.

The UN believes that further research and development of Ballistic Nuclear Weapons greatly increases the danger of a full scale nuclear conflict.

Is greatly disturbed and frightened at the immense threat posed to international security by the possible acquistion of Ballistic weapons technology by rogue states.

The UN defines a ballistic nuclear weapon as a device that relies on nuclear fission or fusion for its destructive effect and uses ballistic propulsion and guidence for its delivery system. Exempt from this definition shall be any other integrated guidance, safety and security systems, or any other peripheral system not related to the detonation of the payload of the device.

The General Assembly of the United Nations hereby enacts and enforces the following:

Article 1. UN members shall not:
1. Conduct further research and development into Ballistic Nuclear weapons technology.
2. Assist or induce any other nation to manufacture or seek control of Ballistic Nuclear weapons technology.
3. Seek or recieve assistance in the development of Ballistic Nuclear weapons technology.

Article 2. UN members shall:
1. Immediatly discontinue any ongoing research and development of Ballistic Nuclear weapons.
2. Immediatly decommission its existing Ballistic weapons arsenal.

Article 3: Nothing contained in this legislation prevents member states from developing nuclear weapons using other technolgies or manufacturing techniques.

Article 4: Nothing contained in this legislation shall prevent any UN nation sharing technologies related to any and all other safety and security systems, guidance systems, delivery systems or any other peripheral systems not directly related to the design or manufacture of the nuclear weapon itself as long as such activities conform with article 1 of this legislation.

Article 5: Nothing contained in this legislation shall prevent any UN nation from sharing technology and research that allows member nations to produce nuclear energy for peaceful purposes or exchange equipment for peaceful purposes as long as such activities conform with article 1 of this legislation.

Hey, if you're going to propose stupid legislation, at least don't be a plagiarising fuck (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10737951&postcount=152).

Anyway, the way I see it, this conflicts with Nuclear Armaments. It doesn't have to: because NA doesn't define "nuclear weapon", you could make a case for these being exempt. However, you've defined the thing you're trying to ban as a sort of nuclear weapon. Therefore, I call contradiction.

Oh, and don't go ahead with this. For one, there's no tangible benefit to this given the range of technologies in use, and the existence of 70,000 non-members free to develop ballistic weaponry. For two, you'll elicit lots of dumb jokes about ballistic weapons being disposed on your nation hurr hurr.

~Lori Jiffjeff
Legal Aide
Minister of Sandy Vaginas
Chair, "Mothers Against Weird Stuff"

Umm ... did Jiffjeff just use a swear? :eek:

Umm ... did Jiffjeff just use a swear?
Hmm, you're right that it's out of character. However, she's been under a lot of stress, being as she's the only one left in the UN office at the moment who isn't stoned on deodorant and furniture polish.

sorry any riping off of previous resolutions was utterly un-intentional

sorry any riping off of previous resolutions was utterly un-intentional

Meaning, I suppose, "I copied it and shuffled a few words around, but my mind and my fingers were disconnected from each other at the time, so it's not my fault"?

You've made a really bad first impression here. Maybe you ought to just drop this and come in again later.

Rogue Nations will get nukes and use them. People will also find loopholes in the system. I would prefer a system of Patriot style missles for protection.

Meaning, I suppose, "I copied it and shuffled a few words around, but my mind and my fingers were disconnected from each other at the time, so it's not my fault"?

You've made a really bad first impression here. Maybe you ought to just drop this and come in again later.

I will I'll drop this and try again with you guys

however I would like to discuss other possible defense resolutions in this thread

however I would like to discuss other possible defense resolutions in this thread

OOC: Hey, it's nice to see a newcomer who has sense enough to realize he made a bad move and back off. I'd suggest that, if you have some other ideas for defense-related ideas, you get your stuff together on one of them and start a new thread. No sense having what might be a good idea "tainted" by the negative stuff in this one.