NationStates Jolt Archive

Traditionally when we talk about RL Facism the classic example is Nazi Germany. There are a number of NS UN Categories, but based on how "ambassadors" / "nations" behave and vote here in the UN forum, who would you equate with some of the NS UN Categories.

You can limit your response to your nation's goal *or* you can talk about how you perceive the way other players respond via roleplaying to things. Basically think of it this way ... what would the Most Glorious Hack be? Certainly not a New York Times Democracy.

Well, OK. Squaring NS nations with the categories is kinda boring for me, because me and nearly everyone with whom I regularly interact would be Psychotic Dictatorship (me, in the sense that even though I'm a democracy [on paper, at least], in actuality the corporations in OMGTKK run everything -- in a completely benevolent fashion, of course).

But if I were to try and square OMGTKK and other NS nations with RL counterparts, and the Federal Republic were a relatively weaker version of the United States, Cluichstan would be Saudi Arabia, a rich, shady regime with which the U.S. maintains ties for strategic (economic) purposes; only in this case, instead of oil, it's Cluichstan's sex trade we're after.

Gruenberg would be Pakistan, another powerful (and very radical and religious) state with which the U.S. has a close relationship. Kivisto would be like Egypt, same story: close ties, tyrannical government, unelected leaders. HOCEK is Iran with a more Japanese flavor, and I suppose The Palentine is Japan (strong diplomatic and economic ties), only more American, more psychotic and oppressive, and less democratic. I've always seen Mikitivity as Switzerland for some reason. Compadria is France.

Ausserland's kind of hard to place, since it's a democratic society with a benevolent, unelected ruler; they're highly intelligent and diplomatic, but at the same time very macho. I don't know, post-Franco Spain, but with tougher citizens?

HotRodia, I have no idea. Anyone know of an RL anarchy with eleventeen million puppets?

[Yes, I already know I'm weird. Shut up.]

Discoraversalism is like North Korea, they won't listen to a thing you tell them.

Discoraversalism is like North Korea, they won't listen to a thing you tell them.

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"I so ronery..."

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"I so ronery..."

ROFLMFAO

I've tried to make Ceorana a cross between a Civil Rights Lovefest, New York Times Democracy, and an Innoffensive Centrist Democracy with sizable economic freedoms. And that Hearing Impaired resolution sure didn't help. :p

As for an RL entity, I'd say it's actually a lot like some West (and, in some areas, some East) Coast US states: significant trade, big tech sector, left-leaning on social issues, etc. I've always RP'd it on that scale anyway; it only has one major university, a few cities, etc. *stands in front of the label for 2 billion + population* :p

Razat is classified as a Psychotic Dictatorship. Originally, Razat was my "evil terrorist" nation, quick to start with the :mp5: . In recent years (NS time) it's mellowed quite a bit, occasionally using diplomacy, and even joining the UN :eek:! But the violence is still there and it wouldn't take much to set Razat on the warpath again.

Witchcliff is supposed to be a benevolent dictatorship, but is a Libertarian Police State at the moment because I answered a few issues wrong, and the last couple of UN resolutions affected it. I'm working on getting it back to the catagory it is supposed to be, because I'm playing this nation as one that is ruled by a queen who has no intention of ever giving up power, but has no wish to oppress the citizens. They can do what they want, except challenge the government.

Just thought of something, isn't Libertarian Police State somewhat of a oxymoron? I always thought libertarian meant living life as you pleased without government interference.

As for real life nation comparisons, I can't think of any nation off hand that would fit benevolent dictatorship, except Howard's Australia maybe, or libertarian police state. Most RL dictatorships both won't give up power and oppress citizens.

Just thought of something, isn't Libertarian Police State somewhat of a oxymoron? I always thought libertarian meant living life as you pleased without government interference.
Well, according to the description, you can do what you want as long as you don't challenge the government (those who don't enjoy their freedom are hustled off in dark cars), so I guess it would be a political police force...

Under the control of the Prime Minister of Tzorsland, the nation has moved to an "Inoffensive Centrist Democracy."

While currently classified as a New Yorks Times Democracy, Bevatt considers itself more of a Civil Rights Lovefest, or a Left-Leaning College state. We've just kept getting issues where we feel common sense dictates a few restrictions on civil liberties. In real life we'd probably be like the Netherlands, small, very liberal on social issues, but more centrist economically, maybe with a touch of Sweden and the UK (OOC: Which is where I'm actually from)

Well, Our attempts at becoming a Psychotic Dictatorship while still retaining a strong economy and UN membership have only been partially successful, since We seem stuck at Iron-Fist Consumerists at best.

We don't really have much in the way of a RW counterpart, but the closest approximation would be a cross between Singapore and Afghanistan under the Taliban. We're firm believers in politeness and order.

It is a technical impossibility* to have a psychotic dictatorship and a strong economy.......by the engine, a psychotic dictatorship has squandered its economy.

* Maybe. Gruen thinks he may have heard an indication that there are a few other factors we don't know about......but the mods aren't saying anything

Anarchy
Corporate Police State
Left-wing Utopia
Authoritarian Democracy
Corrupt Dictatorship
Liberal Democratic Socialists
Benevolent Dictatorship
Democratic Socialists
Libertarian Police State
Capitalist Paradise
Father Knows Best State
Moralistic Democracy
Capitalizt
Free-Market Paradise
New York Times Democracy
Civil Rights Lovefest
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy
Psychotic Dictatorship
Compulsory Consumerist State
Iron Fist Consumerists
Right-wing Utopia
Conservative Democracy
Iron Fist Socialists
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise
Corporate Bordello
Left-Leaning College State
Tyranny by Majority

Enn... started out probably Liberal Democratic Socialists, ended up somewhere near Libertarian Police State. Though the game stats themselves were nowhere near that.

So there are a number of notable UN forum nations that *I* have opinions about and a number I honestly don't.

Axis Nova -- hasn't posted in some time, but threatening to toss nukes everywhere all the time here was a Corrupt Dictatorship in the eyes of Mikitivity.

The Most Glorious Hack -- made an impression upon my people when going over the edge about whaling and seem to think in terms of short-term profits, so Mikitivitians still think of Hackers as Iron Fist Consumerists

Hirotia -- Progressive, confindent in their own abilities and value systems, more than willing to work with other nations, thus are thought of as Democratic Socialists

Sophista -- a reserved government that would work with others, but equally likely to withdrawl and focus on their own financial interests are considered a seminal example of a Conservative Democracy

Hersfold -- Always willing to take the mantel of leadership, but only to start nations working together no matter the cost ... favors educational and sporting events, is thought of as a Left-Leaning College State

Frisbeeteria -- If they can sell something to you or want to buy something, they'll talk to you, though surprisingly they will take a short term loss to make a long-term gain ... otherwise Frisbeeterians can't be bothered ... and have a reputation as being a Corporate Bordello

Ceorana -- Liberal leaning government, always listening and working with other nations, but also subject to rather dramatic changes based on the domestic topic of the week ... it is almost as though the media is just always looking for something new and hot, and thus Mikitivians think of Ceorana as being a New York Times Democracy

The Most Glorious Hack -- made an impression upon my people when going over the edge about whaling and seem to think in terms of short-term profits, so Mikitivitians still think of Hackers as Iron Fist ConsumeristsI suppose that's fitting, even though, for the longest time, my nation was Jennifer Government-style Capitalizt. IC, they called it "hyper-capitalism", but the gist was the same.

I think Iron Fist Consumerists is a little harsh. I mean, the freedoms are staggering (especially since we've gone Anarchy).

Frisbeeteria -- If they can sell something to you or want to buy something, they'll talk to you, though surprisingly they will take a short term loss to make a long-term gain ... otherwise Frisbeeterians can't be bothered ... and have a reputation as being a Corporate Bordello
When I was running the show, we actually paid attention to "teh peepul", and tried to keep the workforce happy as a method of keeping profits maximized. It worked, too. It's amusing that the UN then classifed us as a 'Left-Leaning College State' for most of my tenure as CEO.

However, since Winston Riegel took over The Chair, he's pretty much ignored the so-called issues, and now the UN calls us a 'Compulsory Consumerist State'. Profits continue to climb, and the workforce seems happy anyway. Bread and circuses, what can I say.

MJ Donovan, CEO Emeritus
The Conglomerated Oligarchy of Frisbeeterian Corporate States.

Who is I, then?

OOH, OOH! Do me, do me!

I suppose that's fitting, even though, for the longest time, my nation was Jennifer Government-style Capitalizt. IC, they called it "hyper-capitalism", but the gist was the same.

I think Iron Fist Consumerists is a little harsh. I mean, the freedoms are staggering (especially since we've gone Anarchy).

Hey, what can I say ... Hacker radio shows are not being imported to even the SpOoKy sectors of Mikitivity, while Cluichstanian smut is worth the paper its printed on (not much more because there is so much of it). Perhaps if my domestic media were to run huge adds showing a different perspective of the Most Glorious Hack then all those Miervatian tourists would be flocking over your ... um, your industrial ... uh wasteland instead of the clear and beautiful (and very very safe) shores of Norderia (which in Mikitivity is viewed as being a Liberal Democratic Socialist nation).

Though it could be worse ... as the Father Knows Best State of Ohmigodtheykilledkenny is home to a people whom are fun to invite to parties and social functions (everybody loves it when Kennites burn things), but the wrestling outfit sweatshops ... er I mean factories just don't really scream "please visit".

But don't ever expect to be able to compete with the Left-wing Utopia of Kelssek. Sure if you fall in love there and have a kid, the Kelssekians will keep your child and teach him poetry, music, and how to brew a cocktail that will command the respect of all ... but the buses run on time, the libraries rock, and the zoos are all outside and essentially Kenny proof.

I try to keep Flibbleites as a moralistic democracy, however the Grand Poobah occasionally has major disagreements with the legislature and invokes his power to disband them, hence our current designation as a corrupt dictatorship.

How 'bout us? :D

Felicitations, brethren. It's been some time.

Ecopoeia is, I reckon, the very paragon of a Civil Rights Lovefest, despite slipping into Anarchy every now and then. I can think of no RL equivalent, save for maybe a Pacific island nation doped up to the gills on fluffy dust.

I disagree with most of Mik's examples, actually (sorry, mate!). Sophista and Hirota are both 'cusp' nations in my eyes. Inoffensive CD's that flirt with left-leaning college state status, economies more open than closed, politically freer than the average. Ditto Mikitivity, come to think of it.

Fris was, prior to modhood oppression, the embodiment of Capitalizm, though with a sprinkling of social concessions. Hack and Cluich the same without any such concessions.

_Myopia_ rivals Ecopoeia for fluffy Rights-lovin', East Hackney represents socialism with a beery face in the utopian lefty camp, Flibbleites combine social (moderate) conservatism with leftish economics: exactly the constituency the US Democrats should be trying to win back, as it happens.

More utopian leftists, but with hard noses: Norderia and Kelssek.

Ceorana: left-leaning student types or NYT readers?

Kenny: the ultimate Corporate Bordello.

It is a technical impossibility* to have a psychotic dictatorship and a strong economy.......by the engine, a psychotic dictatorship has squandered its economy.

* Maybe. Gruen thinks he may have heard an indication that there are a few other factors we don't know about......but the mods aren't saying anything
Aha! No - a psychotic dicatorship has low economic freedoms. The economy can still be frightening. Likewise, a capitalist paradise can have an imploded economy.

Hirotia -- Progressive, confindent in their own abilities and value systems, more than willing to work with other nations, thus are thought of as Democratic SocialistsI've always tried to work along lines of a more moderate version of a "Scandinavian Liberal Paradise". Indeed, Scandanavia is the inspiration behind the nations ethos.

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I am fairly new to this game by most standards (a couple months is short here, go figure) but my country is a “Capitalist Paradise” mostly modeled after British ruled Hong Kong.;)

I'd say Canada. Nicely liberal, higher taxes, but good services for those taxes.

That would be a Scandinavian Liberal Paradise, then. Not too sure how long it'll stay that way if Stephen "Bush Lite" Harper continues to rule though.

Aha! No - a psychotic dicatorship has low economic freedoms. The economy can still be frightening. Likewise, a capitalist paradise can have an imploded economy.

Ah.......my sources say otherwise

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11538062&postcount=4

This matches what I've read from Euro's list, etc.

Ah.......my sources say otherwise

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11538062&postcount=4

This matches what I've read from Euro's list, etc.
No.

There is a difference between economic strength and economic freedom. Hence a nation like East Hackney has low economic freedoms but a very strong economy.

There are psychotic dictatorships with Frightening economies, I assure you.

No.

There is a difference between economic strength and economic freedom. Hence a nation like East Hackney has low economic freedoms but a very strong economy.

There are psychotic dictatorships with Frightening economies, I assure you.

Conceptually economic freedoms are about who controls the wealth, while economic strength is just a measure of (human) productivity.

Fris was, prior to modhood oppression, the embodiment of Capitalizm, though with a sprinkling of social concessions. Hack and Cluich the same without any such concessions.Tut-tut! You're just saying that because we used to be a member of the WBO! And because we... er... said the whole of CACE and ACA were "terrorists and commie scumbags". But, we've changed quite a bit from those days. Just look at our "Excessive" civil rights. Sure, you're still screwed if you're poor, but those people are in the Warrens and nobody sees them anyway.

Miervatian tourists would be flocking over your ... um, your industrial ... uh wastelandBAH! Clearly you've never seen the splendor of the Tindalos Megalopolis. You should visit some time and we can take you to the top of Gibson Tower. On a clear day, you'll be able to see for over 100 miles. Simply breathtaking.


Hm. This reminds me of the aborted card game Galdago was working on... still have my card somewhere... It's a little out of date, but:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Tindalos/mgh.png

That would be a Scandinavian Liberal Paradise, then. Not too sure how long it'll stay that way if Stephen "Bush Lite" Harper continues to rule though.
I don't think even Sweden is a Scandinavian Liberal Paradise. Significantly mixed economies kinda rule out the low economic freedom classifications like SLP. I don't know what the civil rights situation is in Canada, but is it really so good that it would rank high in NS terms?

Anyway.

Galdago cards. That takes me back.

Tut-tut! You're just saying that because we used to be a member of the WBO! And because we... er... said the whole of CACE and ACA were "terrorists and commie scumbags".
Joking aside, I didn't realise you were involved in that. 'Twas before my time, grandad.

Galdago cards. That takes me back.http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~lst4606/ns/Galdago/cards/

Found them