NationStates Jolt Archive

I have been requested, by original thread creator of "Individual Working Freedoms", not to post on his thread. He has proposed a blocker, with little substance.

As he can't be civil, I think perhaps here would be a better place to discuss said legislation.

Its a blocker. That's it. Nothing more to say about it... because it doesn't accomplish anything. It's only purpose is to make it harder for the UN to protect workers in the future.

OOC:

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For fuck's sake, post in the original thread then. I don't want it spread over two discussions.

OOC:

:headbang:

For fuck's sake, post in the original thread then. I don't want it spread over two discussions.

You didn't see this coming, Gruen? :p

You didn't see this coming, Gruen? :p

OOC: Seriously! What did you think I was going to do? Besides, your thread is dead :P

Because it was submitted. No more debate until either it reaches quorem or fails.
Please request this gets locked before a mod does it for duplication.

Because it was submitted. No more debate until either it reaches quorem or fails.
Please request this gets locked before a mod does it for duplication.

I really never understood that. Why do people stop debating when things get submitted? It pissed me off greatly when I came here. I watched a bad proposal goes through every step of the process. I could never understand why everyone just stopped debating, at regular intervals.

Because nothing can be done. Except withdrawl.
If it fails then people debate a tag campaign, or they consider editing it before resubmitting.
If it reaches quorum then either they'll start a new thread or the debate continues - except it should be more about opinion than format. Obviously the idea of the pre-submission debate is to make a proposal that most will agree with, but it will sometimes have 'we don't agree with this...but here's how to make it better'. The quorum debate will then be 'we don't agree because'.
You see?

Hey Disco! If you want to rant, rave and bitch to your heart's content and not have to worry about getting deleted(the thread that is), then take it Outside. The site is there for just this reason. Go. Vent. It'll feel good. Come on. You know you want to......;)

I really never understood that. Why do people stop debating when things get submitted? It pissed me off greatly when I came here. I watched a bad proposal goes through every step of the process. I could never understand why everyone just stopped debating, at regular intervals.

You seem to have troubles distinguishing between debating the issue and debating the legislation. There are times where we will debate extensively while a proposal is in quarom - when that happens, we're continuing an unresolved debate of the issue. The vast majority of our discussions here are debating the legislation. When those happen, there's little point in continuing the debate while we're waiting

This is due to a problem with the way the UN works. The fact of the matter is that between all the regulars on these forums, there aren't 300 votes between us and between all that read through the entire thread before voting, I doubt you'd make 500 votes in most cases, 1000 if it's an ACCEL proposal. Compare that to 13 000 votes cast for the average resolution these days, this is a rather miniscule amount. There's no point in debating the issue to the ground - it just makes us pissed off at each other (and perhaps ourselves) than is strictly necessary. There's no reason to have continual debates over the issue.

Deal with it

I really never understood that. Why do people stop debating when things get submitted? It pissed me off greatly when I came here. I watched a bad proposal goes through every step of the process. I could never understand why everyone just stopped debating, at regular intervals.

I can speak for my own reasons ... but there are often so many things happening OUTSIDE of the UN (not just citing real life) that I can't watch everything.

Ultimately what I like most about NationStates is working *with* other players ... at first I liked helping write good proposals. I was here back when most of those horrid proposals were submitted. But when a resolution gets those 6% endorsements I really hate seeing people call even a poorly written *idea* a bad idea -- so I tend to defend resolutions (not proposals).

But once NSWiki came, I found it much more enjoyable to nation build there and interact more with my region (or nations visiting us). The UN is now just a small part of the game to me.

I can speak for my own reasons ... but there are often so many things happening OUTSIDE of the UN (not just citing real life) that I can't watch everything.

Ultimately what I like most about NationStates is working *with* other players ... at first I liked helping write good proposals. I was here back when most of those horrid proposals were submitted. But when a resolution gets those 6% endorsements I really hate seeing people call even a poorly written *idea* a bad idea -- so I tend to defend resolutions (not proposals).

But once NSWiki came, I found it much more enjoyable to nation build there and interact more with my region (or nations visiting us). The UN is now just a small part of the game to me.

NSWiki seems to have been down whenever I tried to use it.

NSWiki seems to have been down whenever I tried to use it.
Let me guess, you get something that looks like this
A database error has occurred
Query: BEGIN
Function: Database::begin
Error: 1226 User 'goobergunch1' has exceeded the 'max_questions' resource (current value: 72000) (mysql.servage.net)

Backtrace:

* GlobalFunctions.php line 602 calls wfbacktrace()
* Database.php line 473 calls wfdebugdiebacktrace()
* Database.php line 419 calls databasemysql::reportqueryerror()
* Database.php line 1545 calls databasemysql::query()
* Database.php line 1515 calls databasemysql::immediatebegin()
* Database.php line 393 calls databasemysql::begin()
* Database.php line 1647 calls databasemysql::query()
* LoadBalancer.php line 202 calls databasemysql::getstatus()
* LoadBalancer.php line 355 calls loadbalancer::getreaderindex()
* DatabaseFunctions.php line 52 calls loadbalancer::getconnection()
* User.php line 716 calls wfgetdb()
* User.php line 667 calls user::loadfromdatabase()
* Setup.php line 229 calls user::loadfromsession()
* index.php line 80 calls require_once()

If that's the case, keep trying eventually you'll get through.

Let me guess, you get something that looks like this
*snip*
If that's the case, keep trying eventually you'll get through.
I just hold down F5 for a few secs. and it usually works.

I just hold down F5 for a few secs. and it usually works.

OOC: Good advice! Could we put that recomendation on the home page? :) I hate to lost things like post data. Some websites are poorly designed (I work at MySpace). On myspace, when you try to go from A to B, you will often be forced to login, and after logging in you will be back at the home page.

If holding F5 does the trick I'll likely do more NSwikiing. Perhaps to the relief of the entire NSUN community ;)

:confused:

A programmer who doesn't know that F5 is the refresh hotkey for pretty much every browser since Mosaic?

Huh.

:confused:

A programmer who doesn't know that F5 is the refresh hotkey for pretty much every browser since Mosaic?

Huh.

Maybe he doesn't know cached data entry......

Still pretty bad, though.

I didn't know it...

Edit: Wait, I'm not a programmer...

:confused:

A programmer who doesn't know that F5 is the refresh hotkey for pretty much every browser since Mosaic?

Huh.

OOC: I didn't know what happened to the post data! I knew F5 refreshed, I didn't know I wouldn't lose my post data on nswiki.

(I haven't worked too much on web applications for PC browsers, just phone browsers).