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This is step one of a repeal and (hopefully) replace effort of UNR #114. The goals of “Establish UNWCC” are commendable, but I feel that the science behind it is flawed.
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE UNITED NATIONS

ACKNOWLEDGING the principle of the basic Human Right to sanitary water;

APPLAUDING the efforts of the authors of UN Resolution #114, “Establish UNWCC”;

CONCERNED, however, with the validity of the scientific arguments used in support of UN Resolution #114, specifically:
A) The questionable claim that “sewage and waste water pumped in from surrounding areas” can serve as a viable source of clean drinking water.
B) The further claim that artificial oases and reserves using “hydroponic plants” can adequately cleanse the wastewater and sewage, making it safe for human consumption.

FURTHER, believing that there are more conventional and scientifically proven methods of providing safe drinking water;

WISHING to remove UN Resolution #114 so as to make way for suitable replacement legislation;

HEREBY repeals UN Resolution #114, “Establish UNWCC”.
I'm sure the masses will have numerous helpful comments and an invigorating discussion will ensue.

The original resolution can be found here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9385184&postcount=115

The replacement currently being drafted can be found here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=495065

Change log:
Removed "BELIEVING that the term “hydroponic plant” is ambiguous and it is unclear from the text if it refers to factories or plant life;" as advised by Ausserland.

IC Such stations are actualy an extreme cost and it is not affordable espicaly to those countries that need to do such things. It would be much more cost effective to get water ther ways for most nations too. So I do support this repeal.

OOC(RL costs) there are 3 differnt levels of water sewage treatment(as taught in my science class) the third would still not by most standards drinkable but it would be ok I guess.

The first level just takes out the solids. the second is a bioological process witch takes out alot of biological stuff left. The third takes out things like phosphorus in the water and this is chemcial. Each one is way more expensive to do then the one before it.

My city has 125,000 people in it to have a FIRST LEVEL plant it cost 93 million dollers. Now think about having a tertiary providing for an entire nation.

IC Such stations are actualy an extreme cost and it is not affordable espicaly to those countries that need to do such things. It would be much more cost effective to get water ther ways for most nations too. So I do support this repeal.

My city has 125,000 people in it to have a FIRST LEVEL plant it cost 93 million dollers. Now think about having a tertiary providing for an entire nation.Trouble is if this is repealed and a new one is put in place that mandates changes in how we clean our water supply then think of the cost that will cause. As currently nations are in complience with this thus spending funds on such to meet what is required. Thus a change in how we have to do it means a new cost..... Do you want to pay that new cost.

Also any nation that don't have an effective treatment system for water supplies is a dead nation... As the things one finds in untreated water supplies builds on the national health programs as people get sick. Think of the cost in health if your city didn't have any level of water treatment...... Thus what one don't pay in health related probems should offset any one pays to have clean water. Then add the time lost from work due to water viral related sicknesses to people as well as the animals we eat... a good clean water system cuts costs in so many other areas that one would offset the other toward the clean water system paying for itself so to say by having healthy people to work earn and pay taxes.

They say in health prevention is the best cure and one can believe that; only doctors don't like that idea as they make more money on us when we are sick and alive; than when we are well.

Thus would like to see what one would do to replace this and how far it goes to cause drastict changes in how we now treat our water supplies under this one.

Viruss Htwooh,
Minister of Health Zeldon

We'd first like to commend the representative of Iron Felix for his efforts. It's always nice to see a new member post a draft of a well-written and carefully formatted proposal. We'd also like to thank him for his courtesy in posting a link to the original resolution. Making things easy for people is smart politics.

Now for the repeal.... We admit to being blissfully ignorant on matters of water supply, so we'll wait to hear what others have to say on the validity of the proposal. For now, we'd just like to suggest that the "BELIEVING" clause be dropped. It smacks of word-weaseling and "piling on arguments," and we don't think it will help get a single vote. If the statements in the "CONCERNED" and "FURTHER" clauses hold up under informed scrutiny, they certainly provide strong enough justification for the repeal.

Lorelei M. Ahlmann
Ambassador-at-Large

For now, we'd just like to suggest that the "BELIEVING" clause be dropped. It smacks of word-weaseling and "piling on arguments," and we don't think it will help get a single vote.
Yes, you're right about that. I'll remove it. That hydroponic "plants" article just bugs me.

Thus a change in how we have to do it means a new cost.....
No, it doesn't. If UNR #114 is repealed you won't be forced to dismantle any of the "artificial oases and reserves" that you have already constructed. You can continue to operate them (or not), the UN just won't require you to build any more. Even if there is a replacement, how is that going to lead to increased costs?

IC Such stations are actualy an extreme cost and it is not affordable espicaly to those countries that need to do such things. It would be much more cost effective to get water ther ways for most nations too. So I do support this repeal.
Thank you for your support.

OOC(RL costs) there are 3 differnt levels of water sewage treatment(as taught in my science class) the third would still not by most standards drinkable but it would be ok I guess.

The first level just takes out the solids. the second is a bioological process witch takes out alot of biological stuff left. The third takes out things like phosphorus in the water and this is chemcial. Each one is way more expensive to do then the one before it.

My city has 125,000 people in it to have a FIRST LEVEL plant it cost 93 million dollers. Now think about having a tertiary providing for an entire nation.
Yes, sewage treatment is very expensive, and that's just to get the water to the point that it is safe to put back into the environment. Now imagine treating sewage and wastewater to the point that you would drink it. This is another reason for my skepticism about the hydroponic methods suggested in #114.

I'd like to see any replacement emphasize the use of water reclamation for irrigation or industrial purposes. If drinkable water was used only for human (and animal) consumption, it would cut down on the level of purification used to, say, water the lawn. The infrastructure might be too daunting to extend this effort to every residential neighborhood, but it should be feasible for large consumers of water, such as corporate farms or nuclear reactors, to install a separate system for reclaimed water.

I'd like to see any replacement emphasize the use of water reclamation for irrigation or industrial purposes. If drinkable water was used only for human (and animal) consumption, it would cut down on the level of purification used to, say, water the lawn. The infrastructure might be too daunting to extend this effort to every residential neighborhood, but it should be feasible for large consumers of water, such as corporate farms or nuclear reactors, to install a separate system for reclaimed water.
An excellent suggestion. I'd like to see some water conservation measures included in the replacement.

*note: I'm not writing the replacement, although I will be helping out with it. I'd like to hold off on making specific comments on it's content until after the author has posted it in it's own thread.

OOC: I don't think a dual system would be feasible for residential use, but in RL many large facilities do recycle their water. My employer, for instance, has it's own water treatment plant and recycles all water used in the manufacturing process. So it's certainly do-able.

I'd like to see any replacement emphasize the use of water reclamation for irrigation or industrial purposes. If drinkable water was used only for human (and animal) consumption, it would cut down on the level of purification used to, say, water the lawn. The infrastructure might be too daunting to extend this effort to every residential neighborhood, but it should be feasible for large consumers of water, such as corporate farms or nuclear reactors, to install a separate system for reclaimed water.

It might be possible. In many places in the world the water is not drinkable, but high end hotels will have their own filtration systems to make the water drinkable. Less expensive systems are being developed for poorer nations to reasonably pruify water, and these would definitely work with partially purified water. While it may be nice to get both washing and drinking water from taps, having washing water from a tap and drinking water from a neighborhood filtering center could be a viable alternative.

While it may be nice to get both washing and drinking water from taps, having washing water from a tap and drinking water from a neighborhood filtering center could be a viable alternative.
Another good suggestion for the replacement. Thanks Tzorsland.

These suggestions for the replacement point out why UNR #114 should be repealed. We can do better. Under #114, nations are expected to construct what amounts to man-made reservoirs for the purpose of turning sewage into sanitary water. What if a nation is located atop a huge aquifer and feels that drilling wells would be a better way to provide water?

Also any nation that don't have an effective treatment system for water supplies is a dead nation... As the things one finds in untreated water supplies builds on the national health programs as people get sick. Think of the cost in health if your city didn't have any level of water treatment...... Thus what one don't pay in health related probems should offset any one pays to have clean water. Then add the time lost from work due to water viral related sicknesses to people as well as the animals we eat... a good clean water system cuts costs in so many other areas that one would offset the other toward the clean water system paying for itself so to say by having healthy people to work earn and pay taxes.

The water that goes to my citizens is clean. This is not too expensive because I take it from lakes and streams. If I was taking it from the sewage I could not do this though. I do not have a problem with giving my citizens clean water. But, I do have a problem with having to give my citizens sewage water or having to pay the extreme expense of cleaning it.

The water that goes to my citizens is clean. This is not too expensive because I take it from lakes and streams. If I was taking it from the sewage I could not do this though. I do not have a problem with giving my citizens clean water. But, I do have a problem with having to give my citizens sewage water or having to pay the extreme expense of cleaning it.

Hence my suggestion that sewage treatment and water reclamation be used primarily for indirect consumption - not necessarily for drinking. It is a terrible idea to allow untreated sewage to be dumped into the environment without a modicum of purification. Besides, doing so will allow greater access to unpolluted water for drinking.

For undeveloped nations, having a protocol in place for ensuring access to pure water is even more important. The Republic of Krioval is perfectly capable of tertiary purification of all water. Seeing as how many nations are not (and why should they be?), a resolution that deals with the issue would be useful.

Ambassador Jevo Telovar
City of Neo Tyros
Republic of Krioval

An excellent suggestion. I'd like to see some water conservation measures included in the replacement.

*note: I'm not writing the replacement, although I will be helping out with it. I'd like to hold off on making specific comments on it's content until after the author has posted it in it's own thread.

OOC: I don't think a dual system would be feasible for residential use, but in RL many large facilities do recycle their water. My employer, for instance, has it's own water treatment plant and recycles all water used in the manufacturing process. So it's certainly do-able.

I'll be doing that now methinks.

I'll be doing that now methinks.
Ah, good! There is a lot of interest in the replacement and it will help to be able to point people to it. I'll put a link to the replacement in the first post once you have it up.

The repeal has been submitted, possibly as a test run, it will depend on how much time I have for TGing.

Approval Link (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=UN_proposal1/match=UNWCC)

The repeal has been submitted, possibly as a test run, it will depend on how much time I have for TGing.

Approved.

48 so far.

OOC: Would help with this, but I'm *probably* starting job tommorrow, and it is not great when you run a TG campaign the first day of a new job. I ought to give it at least a week or two. :D

Otherwise I'd be helping out, since this needs to be taken out before the draft replacement is submitted.

The repeal has been resubmitted.
Approval link (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=UN_proposal1/match=UNWCC)

Quorum.

Repeal "Establish UNWCC"

A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal


Resolution: #114


Proposed by: Iron Felix

Description: UN Resolution #114: Establish UNWCC (Category: Social Justice; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE UNITED NATIONS

ACKNOWLEDGING the principle of the basic Human Right to sanitary water;

APPLAUDING the efforts of the authors of UN Resolution #114, “Establish UNWCC”;

CONCERNED, however, with the validity of the scientific arguments used in support of UN Resolution #114, specifically:
A) The claim that “sewage and waste water pumped in from surrounding areas” can serve as a reliable source of safe drinking water.
B) The further claim that artificial oases and reserves using “hydroponic plants” can adequately cleanse the wastewater and sewage, making it safe for human consumption.

UNCONVINCED that these methods represent the most efficient and economical means of delivering safe drinking water, particularly in developing nations and areas where sanitary sewage systems are non-existent;

FURTHER, believing that there are more conventional and scientifically proven methods of providing safe drinking water;

HEREBY repeals UN Resolution #114, “Establish UNWCC”.

Approvals: 124 (Iron Felix, Ala cuisene, Havl, Flibbleites, Safalra, Luna Synadi, Gruenberg, Compulsoria, Merrillion, Asragoth, Chubbica, New Pattonia, Tarmsden, Witchcliff, Leg-ends, Mindatia, The Shaimung Dynasty, WolentedBears, Naughty Slave Girls, Quintaros, Eviltef, NewTexas, Equalitarianism, The Extremes, St Edmundan Antarctic, Pessimism land, The Puddle Isles, UltimaWeapon, Oblivion-Oathkeeper, Termato, The Wolf Guardians, Chumbalakka, Roberto Luongo, Lamahkae, SkillCrossbones, Shujun, The Fighting Mongii, UberPatLand, Celtic christians, Opatia, Mishianna, Impertinence, Ashkevronia, Hoppa, Koukon, Kyott, TamelRalen, USA Great Lake, Mancialcha, Oceanist, Ellenburg, Eternal Nova, Iznogoud, Gingerapolis, Sergeant Ghetto, Flightopia, A12ftpizza, Vekkeul, Allech-Atreus, Quibad, Pickwick and Yuna, Futuristic America, James_xenoland, Nevadar, Incandescense, Stichomythia, Zekks, Jaarm, Mommy D, Neo-Platonia, Leians, Dres, Bul-Katho, Imperial Moose, Trigger Happy PPL, New Stuvotopia, Freemen Lands, Kytheros, Hafizan, OCR, Corellisi, Jazz and class, Xarvinia-Wurttemburg, Frozensun, SeraphimHubris, Wolfish, ErwynJ, Veritasu, Mongero, Shorak, Otorinian, Zubelle, Woollymice, General BenjaminA, AlkebuLan, Riddim, Caraz, Adfgban, Amphrii, Sandra DeMaret, Intangelon, BcBuddiez, The Sharding Squirrel, Zaita, Jey, Great Denizistan, Iamthey, Notsofree, Veritas Aeternus, Celebros, Coolguyistan, Libre Arbitre, Norderia, Rezslekovia, Yuanda Zhu, Mystery Stuff, Chandelier, Kanu Tanu, Budingerschik, Anarckieo, Zargotz, Sejosk, Newsclomerian Nations, Olverica)

Status: Quorum Reached: In Queue!
I considered making a new thread (and I might when it goes to vote) but this will do for now.

Sorry, but I cannot support a proposal which use the name of the creator of the gulags ("Iron Felix" - Felix Dzerzhinsky).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/monitoring/media_reports/803171.stm
Last paragraph.

1. You've pointed this out before.
2. I fail to see how it is relevant.

If you agree with a proposal, support it; if you disagree with a proposal, oppose it; if you have your own reasons for opposing a proposal, vote against it -- but for purposes of this discussion, "I don't like your nation's name" doesn't resemble anything even close to a valid or useful argument.

Sorry, but I cannot support a proposal which use the name of the creator of the gulags ("Iron Felix" - Felix Dzerzhinsky).
OOC: *sigh* LAE, I'm sorry you feel that way, but I think you're missing the point. Felix is intended to be humorous. I'm not using him to glorify the Gulags or the Soviet state security apparatus. It is a parody and it involves irony and satire. I wish I could get you to understand.

IC: *coos softly while sharpening a bayonet* My dear Ambassador Pazu-Lenny Kasigi-Nero-Cougar-Mellencamp, I am not a bad man. My days as a chekist are behind me now and I am merely a humble diplomat, like yourself. I've done you no harm. If The People's Democratic Republic of Yelda can put their trust in me, why can't you?

Look! They even held a parade in my honor.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b106/Yelda/felixparade.jpg
Now tell me, what sort of people would have a parade for someone as villainous as you have made me out to be?

OOC: *sigh* LAE, I'm sorry you feel that way, but I think you're missing the point. Felix is intended to be humorous. I'm not using him to glorify the Gulags or the Soviet state security apparatus. It is a parody and it involves irony and satire. I wish I could get you to understand.

IC: *coos softly while sharpening a bayonet* My dear Ambassador Pazu-Lenny Kasigi-Nero-Cougar-Mellencamp, I am not a bad man. My days as a chekist are behind me now and I am merely a humble diplomat, like yourself. I've done you no harm. If The People's Democratic Republic of Yelda can put their trust in me, why can't you?

Look! They even held a parade in my honor.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b106/Yelda/felixparade.jpg
Now tell me, what sort of people would have a parade for someone as villainous as you have made me out to be?

I didn't try to portray you as villainous or anything, sorry if you feel my words were harsh, it was not intended. But my point was just that, as human beings we have some dignity, and I think it's important to respect the memory of millions of people who died or were sent to gulags. It was less than 1 century ago.

I didn't try to portray you as villainous or anything, sorry if you feel my words were harsh, it was not intended. But my point was just that, as human beings we have some dignity, and I think it's important to respect the memory of millions of people who died or were sent to gulags. It was less than 1 century ago.
OOC: Yes, of course I think it's important to remember those who perished in the gulags. I also think it's good to be able to satirize those who sent them there. I offer this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11707852&postcount=3375) and this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11711061&postcount=3376) as evidence that Felix is intended as humor, not as a glorification of Soviet oppression.

(can we talk about the repeal now?)

Look! They even held a parade in my honor.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b106/Yelda/felixparade.jpg
Now tell me, what sort of people would have a parade for someone as villainous as you have made me out to be?

Intimidated ones?

You're up next, Yelda. Gonna make a voting thread?

You're up next, Yelda. Gonna make a voting thread?
Hey! I was just looking for this. Let's just use this one. It'll probably end in a maelstrom of sniper-smilies and Felix throwing chairs at people anyway, right?

Well I've cast my vote FOR this fine resolution. And yes it is already up for vote.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

So let me get this straight. This is about saving money at the cost of the cleanest water you can get ? Fine by me then. More money means more servants and more for evil things.

We support this proposal. We almost certainly won't support a replacement (even if someone tags a "free trade in water pipes" rider onto it).

Tzorsland supports the repeal. We agree, more or less, with the arguments of the repeal. The "science" of UNWCC works well in theory and in specific cases, but cannot be adequately extended to all conditions and to overcrouded low technology nations; there is simply not enough area available and most overcrouded low technology nations do not have the water resources needed to afford to hold such vast amounts of semi-fresh water in marshland for purification.

I personally don't think this resolution needs a replacement. There is a question of fresh water but that is a seperate problem. Frankly the whole issue of international fresh water rights is far too complex to put into a single UN resolution and I don't think anyone has the wisdom of solomon to divide the potential baby.

I'll have more thoughts later.

We support this resolution because of the bad science in the original, and for reasons other ambassadors have already stated, and I won't bore you by recounting, repeating, readdressing, rearguing, or rearranging...

[Lopez goes off into a half-hour lecture on the merits of orange juice consumption during periods of fever between 40 and 43 degrees centigrade.]

Enrique Lopez
Ambassador to the United Nations

Yeah, babies! Repeal this thing and be done with it so we can all sit together, puffing and singing! Yeah!

Love, luck and lolliopops,
Sheik Larebil bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

After making his official statement, Sheik Larebil pulls a joint out of his pocket, lights it, and starts puffing away. He then breaks out his guitar and begins singing:

To everything -- turn, turn, turn
There is a season -- turn, turn, turn
And a time for every purpose, under heaven...

The slight figure in head-to-toe white robes shrank nervously from the singing sheik. Nonetheless, she had a job to do and was determined to do it.

"As the senior members of my delegation are, at the moment, otherwise engaged --"

"Yeah, in the Strangers Bar!" came a raucous interjection. She ignored it.

" -- it is both my duty and my pleasure to cast Ardchoille's vote for this proposal."

The duty bit was true, the pleasure wasn't. She knew perfectly well why she'd been left on her own to cast this vote. If the replacement appeared and matters went as expected, they'd say she'd done a nice little job in an easy debate.

If it didn't -- if, for example, the repeal succeeded but no replacement appeared, leaving the poor folk of the world with yet another human right stripped from them -- then it would be because, "You rushed in too early with an ill-considered vote instead of waiting to see how matters panned out."

Such is the way of the intern.

Sheik Larebil bin Cluich pauses briefly in his singing and says to the white-robed intern, "Here, baby, have a flower!"

http://www.uni-graz.at/~katzer/pictures/papa_06.jpg

The sheik raises his voice to a forte and goes back to strumming on his guitar.

A time to be born, a time to die
A time to plant, a time to reap
A time to kill, a time to heal
A time to laugh, a time to weep...

Allech-Atreus supports the repeal of this legislation.

That's really about all I have to say about it. I'm much more in amazement at this new ambassador from Cluichstan...

Landaman Pendankr dan Samda
Ambassador to the UN
Baron of Khaylamnian Samda

Allech-Atreus supports the repeal of this legislation.

That's really about all I have to say about it. I'm much more in amazement at this new ambassador from Cluichstan...

Landaman Pendankr dan Samda
Ambassador to the UN
Baron of Khaylamnian Samda

Amazed? Why, dude? Here, have a flower!

http://www.atpm.com/7.07/flowers-ii/images/poppy-420.jpg

Love, luck and lollipops,
Sheik Larebil bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

The New Cultural Revolution of Dashanzi abstains.

Benedictions,

“Ladies and gentlemen, if you will excuse me for a moment,” The Monk replied on the floor. With that he pulled out a small plastic vial and preceded in spray something into both of his nostrils. “Allergy medication,” he explained. “Anyway it must be something in the water, and since water is the nature of the discussion, it is only necessary that we immerse ourselves in the subject as much as possible.”

“Now ladies and gentlemen, I want to make it perfectly clear that I think that it is vital that everyone should have safe drinking water. I would even go so radically far as to say that, with a few exceptions, water is a shared global resource. Where do nations get their water from? They get their water from rivers and streams, which in turn get their water from rainfall, which comes from clouds which form from the evaporation of oceans in international waters. Now some nations may get their water from desalination plants, but those nations typically can afford their own safe drinking water.”

“I think that safe drinking water is something the UN should consider. I also think that reasonable safe drinking water is something the UN should consider. But that is not the purpose of this discussion. The purpose of this discussion is to consider the repeal of the UNWCC, or the build a better swamp thing for all peoples everywhere. Under the current resolution the swamps of Tzorsland are a beautiful thing, at least on paper. In practice the current population of Tzorsland of over five and a quarter billion is far too overcrowded on our nation as it is without having to dedicate enough space to cover a swamp of such size as to adequately provide everyone with clean drinking water through it.”

“It is said that when ever one invokes bad science a cat-girl dies. Think of the cat-girls I beg of you. There are no cat-girls in Tzorsland, and I’m convinced that this is because of this resolution. The genocide of the cat-girl population in the nations of the UN can be blamed directly on this resolution. So think of the remaining cat-girls and vote to repeal the UNWCC. Thank you, and have a nice day.”

Oh and for Sheik Larebil bin Cluich, here is a picture of a little garden which used to be near the residence of some very Frustrated Franciscans who used to rule Tzorsland.

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL291/1756382/8543005/115617535.jpg

OOC: Hey Cluich- is it simply coincedence that the flowers are all poppys? Or does that have something to do with Larebil? Eh? :)

Kenny votes FOR!!! WHOOOOOOOO!!!!! PEACE AND LOVE!!! HORNY INTERNS (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11792146&postcount=4228)!!! BEST POLL EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111 Yeah!

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/teddygrahams113/jessie.jpg
Jessie McArthur
Deputy Ambassador to the United Nations

I'd have to agree with the proposal to repeal, as the law is extremely vague and does little to truly further the topic of clean water. A replacement must me made, and it must be deeply thought over and considerate of the many diverse nations, locations and environments. For example, our region of Isoslavia is an island with a newly formed set of nations, and as such needs nothing more than a desalinization plant to provide water to our burgeoning citizens, but in the future a set of regulations as to the overall quality of water would help us to move towards keeping our water safe to drink through our inevitable expansion.

Thank you,
Western Isoslavia

Wolfgang's holographic double rose. "We of the Commonwealth support this Repeal, and will likely support a well-founded replacement. Mr. Wolfgang commends Mr. Dzer... Dzerz..." The computer-generated wolf fumbled with the foreign name. "Er... Mr. Felix for his efforts."

Norderia supports the repeal with the hope that a sufficient replacement (that I believe Hirota is drafting) will take the original's place.

I preferred Mr. Biscuitbarrel.....

If this resolution proposed an alternative, more economically effective means, then by all means, I would vote for it. However, it does not propose anything new to possibly rectify the situation of unclean water in impoverished nations. The current resolution in place may be an inefficient solution, but it's still a solution.

If this resolution proposed an alternative, more economically effective means, then by all means, I would vote for it. However, it does not propose anything new to possibly rectify the situation of unclean water in impoverished nations. The current resolution in place may be an inefficient solution, but it's still a solution.Sigh ... another one of these bozos. Here:

The fucking rules (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465)

If this resolution proposed an alternative, more economically effective means, then by all means, I would vote for it. However, it does not propose anything new to possibly rectify the situation of unclean water in impoverished nations. The current resolution in place may be an inefficient solution, but it's still a solution.

Furthermore, it is not a solution by any stretch of the imagination. Norderia has voted against previous attempts to repeal the Resolution, but at this point, we are no longer kidding ourselves. Number 7 is just plain bad.

I assure you, though, a replacement has been drafted that will prove sufficient.

who cares about water i say let ppl clean there own water by boilin it we should just filter it so theres no mud in there let ppl boil it on there gas or electric stove then the gas and electric industry will rise and the ppl will have to pay less for gas i am completely against this notion and am goin to try and stop it at any costs :eek: :sniper:

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You're not real clear on this whole concept of Repeals yet, are ye lad?

frisbeeteria i no full well wat a repeal is it is a bill that has been up for debate by the un before was rejected and is now tryin to get the same garbage as before in probably hoping som new more ppl caring person than myself will care and it seems it has i still have voted against it in hope that others will open there eyes and see the garbage in front of them is a waist of money wat is your position on this issue

frisbeeteria i no full well wat a repeal is it is a bill that has been up for debate by the un before was rejected and is now tryin to get the same garbage as before in probably som new more ppl caring person will care and it seems it has i still have voted against it in hope that others will open there eyes and see the garbage in front of them is a waist of money wat is your position on this issue

ya lyk so no wai ges wat repeelz r akchulee lyk pwnz0ring uther resalooshunz that r alredy in da un so lyk u phayl @ reeding & noing thingz lawlz:sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :gundge: :mp5: :sniper:

it is a bill that has been up for debate by the un before was rejected and is now tryin to get the same garbage as before inYeah. See, that's not what a Repeal is.

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Wolfgang looked confused. "Why can't I hear what he's saying?" he whispered to his computer.
"Stupidity filters in effect. The system detected that the words about to be said would've been hazardous to your IQ."
"Oh. Er... Thanks."

OOC: No, seriously. You're thinking of an APpeal, not a REpeal, and, as far as I know, there are no appeals in the NSUN. The point of this resolution, the one at vote, is to get RID of the current water-filtration proposal. So, if that's how you feel, vote FOR.

Now, on to yet another Language Rant: Please, for the love of all that is good, TYPE. Were you wearing MITTENS when you typed that? Is your backspace key damaged? Was someone holding a gun to your head telling you to finish typing that message in thirty seconds or die? Are North Korea's nukes, not, in fact, defunct, and at this very moment headed to destroy the UK, where the Jolt servers are?

No, I thought not. There's likely nothing substantial keeping you from being able to type correctly if you'd just slow down. Furthermore, you're sitting at a computer. This means, in addition to the fact that the forums aren't, in fact, under attack and about to be destroyed, thus preventing your wonderful message to be perpetuated, you have several resources at your disposal. This includes whatever word processor might be on your computer, and easily available over-the-net spelling and grammar checkers.

I apologize for continuing this crusade against such poor, lazy, idiotic English, but, dammit, it's not that hard. It's almost forgivable when you're handwriting, or some other such limited means of communication. However, when you're typing in a form of non-live communication such as this one, there are no excuses.

-The Vicar of Verbs,
the Nazi of Nouns,
the Protector of Punctuation,
the Savior of Sentence Structure,
the Enforcer of English in General,
the Author of Wolfgang

That took way too long. I'm glad I had nothing productive to do today.

[/threadjack]

EDIT: I'm intrigued, Hack. Our posts occurred at the same time (to the minute), and though mine seems to be more recent in the list, it shows your name as "most recent post." I've never seen that happen. Neat.

I think I'll propose some repeal or law of some sort. Judging by how this hollowed body reacts, the odds are it will be approved no matter what it is. Let's make spotted owl a staple!

I think I'll propose some repeal or law of some sort. Judging by how this hollowed body reacts, the odds are it will be approved no matter what it is. Let's make spotted owl a staple!

Wha-- What are you trying to say?

So after I read the rules a little more carefully this time, I retract my statement. I'm for the repeal.

So after I read the rules a little more carefully this time, I retract my statement. I'm for the repeal.

Good show. Thank you for not simply looking for another reason to be opposed, so that you might save face.

Welcome to the UN.

(I am role playing, don't be offended)

Leviticus states that anybody whom comes in contact with human waste is ceremonially unclean until the next evening. Therefore you can put no great a price on the cleanness of holy nation. We the chosen see that the repeal if passed will give the UN a chance to reconsider their policy on waste management, and therefore have voted for the UN motion.

ArchPriest
Temple Health Department

ppl of the un im sorry fr my previous message i was misunderstanding wat a repeal was confusing it with an appeal i will now agree to repeal it seeing i want wat i stated earlier with the ppl clean there own water and wat not and also i will talk in web talk all i like i will remeber wat i have learned today but will vote against the improved version of this issue seing as i want to save as much money as possible and make as much money as possible so i will end this message now...!:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

also i will talk in web talk all i likeFeel free.

Of course, don't be surprized when you're mocked, marginalized, and generally regarded as an idiot.

So after I read the rules a little more carefully this time, I retract my statement. I'm for the repeal.

It's always nice to meet a newcomer who is willing to keep an open mind and change it when appropriate. Welcome to the Assembly, Mosiaca!

Patrick T. Olembe
Minister for Foreign Affairs

(I am role playing, don't be offended)

Leviticus states that anybody whom comes in contact with human waste is ceremonially unclean until the next evening. Therefore you can put no great a price on the cleanness of holy nation. We the chosen see that the repeal if passed will give the UN a chance to reconsider their policy on waste management, and therefore have voted for the UN motion.

ArchPriest
Temple Health Department

You know, if that's the case I've got to wonder if your people are ever ceremonially clean. Think about it, if you become unclean simply by touching human waste, then you guys become unclean simply by going to the bathroom.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

*snip*

OOC: Wait, are you apologizing or not? I'm teh kOnFuZorzED, it that helps.

Oh, Wolfagang: Congratulations! You win the Iron Cross of the Grammar Nazis! First Grade!

I will also support the proposal if you would consider implementing indirect consumption as the frontline method for testing the systems prior to becoming mainstream practise in the pottable water system. The test should include public health considerations, volume output, and economics.

You know, if that's the case I've got to wonder if your people are ever ceremonially clean. Think about it, if you become unclean simply by touching human waste, then you guys become unclean simply by going to the bathroom.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Honorable Representative Flibble, perhaps they do not wipe. Please, be a bit more considerate of other cultures, won't you? I don't think Leviticus says anything about wiping yourself.


Landaman Pendankr dan Samda
Baron of Khaylamnian Samda
Ambassdor to the UN
Self-appointed Toilet Paper Replacer


OOC: :D

Honorable Representative Flibble, perhaps they do not wipe. Please, be a bit more considerate of other cultures, won't you? I don't think Leviticus says anything about wiping yourself.

Indeed, it's quite apparent that SOME book SOMEWHERE needs to have a section about the proper use of toilet paper. It seems that there is much debate about the subject (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=397276&page=231) yet.

Whoever thought that "hydroponics plants" magically cleansed pollutants out of water was a complete idiot. Whatever the intended followup resolution to this is, it should contain some suggestions for dynamic, localized solutions involving water disease and sanitation experts a la the Peace Corps' efforts in Africa.'

I will vote for this repeal on the basis that it will be immediately replaced by the so-called better resolution. Until this time, I will adopt the silly option. :gundge:

I preferred Mr. Biscuitbarrel.....

Oh, Tarquin Fin-tim-lim-bim-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'tang-F'tang-Ole-Biscuitbarrel is still around.

http://www.montypython.art.pl/obrazki/lcmp19-15.jpg

Gotta have someone to roll my joints for me, y'know, dude.

Love, luck and lollipops,
Sheik Larebil bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Whoever thought that "hydroponics plants" magically cleansed pollutants out of water was a complete idiot.

I have friends in the waste management business. The person is clearly not a complete idiot, the process could work ... in some cases. For a given community, in a specific climate under given conditions, the process could work exceptionally well. But as a global solution the system doesn't work. The "bad science" is the false notion that any small scale system can be scalled up and that any system that can work in a specific case can work for all cases. This pollyannish approach fails.

If you take an insect, say a praying mantis, and make him a 500 foot tall creature, you will wind up with a dead creature, as the biological systems used in a praying mantis only work for the scale of the praying mantis.

OOC: I should also point out that I've been giving real world arguments for the most part. I'd guess that over half of the NS nations are not only massively overcrowded compared to the RW nations, but due to those delightful daily issues are wonderful toxic wastelands in and of themselves. So the solution will clearly not work at all in any shape and form for a majority of most NS nations, due to the combination of those two forces.

The Palentine shall cast its vote For the removal of this flaming piece of crap in a hat. However, an unsubtle offering of some Fine Yeldan Cheese(TM) to go with my WT Rare Breed(TM), would help ensure my vote will not change.
Excelsior,
Sen. Horatio Sulla

*handed in on a hand illuminated scroll*

"The Holy Republic of Arationa would fisrt like to extend it's gracious blessings to the United Nations, as well as to the kind old man who delivered this for us.

Secondly, we support clear, clean drinking water, but of a reasonable scientific and religious origin, rather than a hit or miss method of water sanitation. We fell that dirty water promotes the developemnt of thetans which weigh people down to earth with sin and thoughts of chocolate cake. Almighty permitting, we may find a more cost effective method to promote this noble and sefless cause of clean water. We believe that clean water promotes clean minds and a more sinless environment. To this end, we offer one of our missionaries to every nation of the world to sanctify and bless the water of thier nation, as well as reveal to you the truths of the Almighty.

They are house broken.

In meditation,

The Republic Prelate, Cardinal Josek Tiridates Mesrops

(OOC: Hiya! I'm new...forgive my poor Republic Prelate, he's a tad insane, but means well, even when he preaches or more accurately rambles about the very vague and unusual religion of Arationa.)

After reading through this thread my nation casts it's vote in favor of this repeal. We are all for clean drinking water. We are convinced this original resolution does not provide the best solutions to that. We also make no commitment at this time towards a replacement as we are not convinced yet one would be necessary. But as always, we will reserve judgment until such replacement merits a response (reaching quorum) and we will then decide to vote for or against. We commend Iron Felix for the work necessary to write this repeal and get it to quorum. Best of luck on the final stage!

This is a well crafted resolution, but the most important thing is that it is preparatory to a well crafted alternative resolution being in the pipeline to actually offer a solution to a flawed resolution.

Why this must be done in two parts still amazes me. As I have always thought that "repeal only" resolutions are flawed and a waste of floor time.

Ahh, but to ask the UN to reduce the level of bureacracy in it can be likened to asking an American Republican to stop going after former President Bill Clinton on a variety of issues. Both are addictive and are crack to their respective progenitors.

The Commonwealth of Schwarzchild will support this resolution contingent upon the speedy establishment of a viable alternative.

Sir Geoffrey Gosford
Prime Minister of the Commonwealth of Schwarzchild

Why this must be done in two parts still amazes me. As I have always thought that "repeal only" resolutions are flawed and a waste of floor time.
You do understand that's a mechanical constraint of the UN - and that repeals must be only a repeal, or they will be deleted.

Why this must be done in two parts still amazes me. As I have always thought that "repeal only" resolutions are flawed and a waste of floor time.

You do understand that's a mechanical constraint of the UN - and that repeals must be only a repeal, or they will be deleted.

OOC:

Gruenberg is correct. Due to game mechanics and the difficulty involved in coding in an amendment feature, repeals are all that's available for us to use.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Schwarzchild
Why this must be done in two parts still amazes me. As I have always thought that "repeal only" resolutions are flawed and a waste of floor time.


You do understand that's a mechanical constraint of the UN - and that repeals must be only a repeal, or they will be deleted.

Not only that, but there will be some people voting FOR the repeal hoping to get a replacement passed that is better. Others will be voting FOR the repeal that would not be in favor of a particular replacement or any replacement at all for that matter. So it makes the whole thing much more politically interesting.

Her Excellency, Prime Secretary Nuriyah bint Rashad Khadhim (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Nuriyah_bint_Rashad_Khadhim),
People’s Democratic Social Republic of Ariddia

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1992/ungabnr5.jpg

An Arab woman walked up to the podium, coughed lightly, and looked around the vast room of the General Assembly before beginning.

“Ladies, gentlemen and other assorted beings, esteemed representatives of the United Nations Member States,

Good morning.

Don’t worry; I won’t keep you long. I’ll try to keep this short and painful. . . painless.

I come here today as the newly elected leader of the PDSR Ariddia, and I’d like to say it’s a great honour for me to be addressing this august assembly. As my predecessor (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Aj_Ud) once said (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11734323&postcount=44) in this very room, the United Nations has been a force for progress, and for the betterment of countless lives. It has also, more recently, been used as a tool for the advancement of a perverse capitalist agenda, forging a path towards misery and the extinguishing of essential social rights. It saddens me greatly to see that apathy and malignancy can combine to such devastating effects within an organisation which should enshrine the values of progress, dignity and sentient rights.

If I may, I would like to say a few words on the proposal currently at vote – with kind permission from Her Excellency Ambassador Zyryanov. It has been a long time since my country has voted in favour of any proposal which has reached this assembly, and it pleases me to say that we can finally put our support, small as it may be, behind this text. Although we fully commend the intentions expressed in Resolution #114, we must, after careful consideration, agree with its repeal. Although Resolution #114 was the expression of essential sentient rights, it did indeed contain notable flaws, and we believe that there cannot be any successful nation which does not, of its own accord, make the utmost efforts to provide safe drinking water to its people.

Your Excellencies.

If I may beg your indulgence a few moments longer. These august United Nations have become sadly notorious for the low standard of the arguments put forth by many representatives, and the complete absence of many others from these halls during debates.” Her arm swept out to encompass the many empty seats in the mind-bogglingly vast room. “Indicative of this is the lack of attention paid by representatives to the text and details of proposals submitted to this General Assembly for their careful consideration. I ask of you, solemnly, to reflect upon your duties as representatives of the international community, of your countries and of countless sentient beings, whose lives we have been given the awesome yet humbling power to affect. I ask you, also, to consider what the essential rights of the peoples of this world should and must be, and to strive the enact them through that power we have, and not use our power against the helpless masses for the selfish benefit of the few, nor restrict essential rights on the basis of subjective moral codes. It is in this spirit that my delegation will, shortly, be resubmitting a proposal entitled ‘Housing Act’, which I recommend to your discerning attention.

Your Excellencies.

My country will continue to work with the international community for the furtherment of basic rights. It is our hope that we will not stand alone.

I thank you for your kind attention.”

Prime Secretary Khadhim nodded politely at the gathered delegates, smiled slightly, and stepped off the podium, returning to her seat.

i said earlier that i was sory for my misunderstanding of the difference between a repeal and an apeal i will stand by wat i believe even in the event of defeat as for the issue on me being an idiot because of my web talk i will continue i am not an idiot it is a trait of man kind to make things as short and as easy as possible.this is just a game and i will not takeit so seriously that i will spell check and and talk in complele sentences u my notice lol that this is a run-on senence lol.

i said earlier that i was sory for my misunderstanding of the difference between a repeal and an apeal i will stand by wat i believe even in the event of defeat as for the issue on me being an idiot because of my web talk i will continue i am not an idiot it is a trait of man kind to make things as short and as easy as possible.this is just a game and i will not takeit so seriously that i will spell check and and talk in complele sentences u my notice lol that this is a run-on senence lol.

Forgive my bluntness, but nobody here will take you seriously if you use "web talk". It may be "easy" to type, but it is very HARD to read, and if it's hard to read, many people won't bother.

i said earlier that i was sory for my misunderstanding of the difference between a repeal and an apeal i will stand by wat i believe even in the event of defeat as for the issue on me being an idiot because of my web talk i will continue i am not an idiot it is a trait of man kind to make things as short and as easy as possible.this is just a game and i will not takeit so seriously that i will spell check and and talk in complele sentences u my notice lol that this is a run-on senence lol.

Thanks for that one period. If you're trying to make things easy, make it so that we don't have to sit here for five minutes trying to decipher your cave drawings.

ucantpossiblyexpectanyonetounderstandwhatthehellurtalkingaboutevenifyouspellmostwordscorrrectlyifyou dontusethestructurethatmakesthemunderstandablekthxbye.

Grammar exists not to make things difficult and stuffy. They exist so that the written word can be understood. Right now, the trait of mankind that's shining through is not ingenuity, it's innanity.


Edit:
Like Sirat, and every literature teacher I've ever had said, "Easy writing makes hard reading."

Her Excellency, Prime Secretary Nuriyah bint Rashad Khadhim (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Nuriyah_bint_Rashad_Khadhim),
People’s Democratic Social Republic of Ariddia
*snip*

Tommo the Stout rises from his seat to applaud the Ariddian Prime Secretary. "Goden lohga!" he calls out, 'good speech,' in Norderian, a term akin to "bravo."

Tommo the Stout rises from his seat to applaud the Ariddian Prime Secretary. "Goden lohga!" he calls out, 'good speech,' in Norderian, a term akin to "bravo."

Prime Secretary Khadhim paused a few steps away from the podium, looked up and smiled gratefully at the Ambassador. Ambassador Zyryanov had told her about Tommo the Stout, and, although Norderian was not one of the languages she spoke, she could guess what he was saying.

"Je vous remercie!" she called up, smiling slightly. "Le'ewi au."

i said earlier that i was sory for my misunderstanding of the difference between a repeal and an apeal i will stand by wat i believe even in the event of defeat as for the issue on me being an idiot because of my web talk i will continue i am not an idiot it is a trait of man kind to make things as short and as easy as possible.this is just a game and i will not takeit so seriously that i will spell check and and talk in complele sentences u my notice lol that this is a run-on senence lol.

There's a difference between "web talk" and gibberish. If you want anyone to pay attention to what you have to say, you're going to have to show you have enough brain cells to say it intelligibly. If you don't care, why are you bothering to clutter up the discussion?

Lorelei M. Ahlmann
Ambassador-at-Large

Landaman Pendankr stared in open-mouthed fascination as the Octovanyan delegate spoke. Leaning over to Chief Umdiroplach, he whispered.

"Is he even speaking a language? I can't understand a word he's saying."

Umdiroplach grunted and pulled a flask from his waistpack, along with a collapsible cup. Pouring some golden liquid from the flask into the cup, he handed it to the ambassador.

"Here, this'll help." he said, taking a swig from the flask.

Prime Secretary Khadhim paused a few steps away from the podium, looked up and smiled gratefully at the Ambassador. Ambassador Zyryanov had told her about Tommo the Stout, and, although Norderian was not one of the languages she spoke, she could guess what he was saying.

"Je vous remercie!" she called up, smiling slightly. "Le'ewi au."

"C'est rien," Tommo the Stout replies, waving away the thanks to him. "Vous parlez la vérité! Bien, bien!" With a slight bow at the neck, the Stout resumes his seat.

"C'est rien," Tommo the Stout replies, waving away the thanks to him. "Vous parlez la vérité! Bien, bien!" With a slight bow at the neck, the Stout resumes his seat.

Despite herself, Prime Secretary Khadhim grinned. Now I know why Christelle likes him... She glanced over at the Octovanyoan delegate, who seemed to be talking in some obscure language without anyone translating, and returned to her seat.

*Strangely, this quote has been VAPORIZED by the GuardSat defense system of the Commonwealth. We apologize for the convenience.*

Wolfgang roars after his computer told him it had translated the Octovanyoan's... er... speech.
"I SHOULD KILL YOU WHERE YOU STAND!"
The computer, detecting death in his voice, summoned three holographic Guardian soldiers to hold Wolfgang still.

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OOC: No, seriously. It isn't lol funny. It's not funny at all. While your character may speak however he or she may like, it's absolutely DISGUSTING to read that post. If you can't devote FIVE BLEEDING MINUTES to a single post, then go away. You say "It's a game, I'm not going to take it so seriously blah blah gibberish." Can you drive? You don't use your turn signals, do you? That also pisses me off. You know why? BECAUSE ALL IT TAKES IS A PINKY! ANYONE too lazy to use their TURN SIGNAL should not be DRIVING. But, I digress. The point is, if you can't devote a minimum of effort to it, then DON'T DO IT. You know how long it takes, say, Microsoft Word to load? Maybe... oh... ten seconds, on a very slow machine. You know how long it takes it to do a spelling/grammar check? Oh, right, no time at all, because it does it on the fly. And, I'm in agreement with the fact that there's a difference between netspeak and real English. What my sister uses in her IMs is netspeak. You, however, pass the line of comprehensibility, and thus it requires anyone who reads it about five tries to understand what the flying fuck you're trying to say. How old are you? Have you gone through any schooling?

Just... for the love of whatever powers that might or might not be... shape up or ship out.

I, once again, apologize for the rant, but we've got to draw the line somewhere. I've only encountered one other person on Jolt that irritatingly persistant at being foolish, and his/her posts you could usually understand after about two readings. This is just plain not cool.

-The Vicar of Verbs,
the Nazi of Nouns,
the Protector of Punctuation,
the Savior of Sentence Structure,
the Enforcer of English in General,
the Author of Wolfgang
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//begin hijack//

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a188/kuroutesshin/GoebbelsJoseph2.jpg

//end hijack//

My fellow nations...

Resolution #114 is clearly a noble issue. It recognizes a very serious problem facing third-world countries. However, the method in which it achieves its goal is highly innefficent and very costly. Resolution #114's "hydroponic plants" seem ridiculous; considering recently developed technology can extract pure water from the moisture in the air, a literally unexhaustable source. This article (http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,71898-0.html?tw=rss.index) describes the technology.

Therefore, I support the repeal of Resolution #114, and propose that new legislation should encourage the development of this new water-producing technology.

You know, if that's the case I've got to wonder if your people are ever ceremonially clean. Think about it, if you become unclean simply by touching human waste, then you guys become unclean simply by going to the bathroom.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

(I am role playing, don't be offended)

Human beings spend a great deal of time being unclean, because we are nothing before the glory of God and Jesus Christ. However, with diligent practices and unwavering faith we can remain clean when possible and please the Lord.

ArchPriest
Temple Health Department

(I am role playing, don't be offended)

Human beings spend a great deal of time being unclean, because we are nothing before the glory of God and Jesus Christ. However, with diligent practices and unwavering faith we can remain clean when possible and please the Lord.

ArchPriest
Temple Health Department

Pendankr, on his seventh shot of whatever it was Umdiroplach carried around with him, blinked.

"Huh? Your god needs to be "pleased?" His eyes mist over and a creepy schoolboy smile comes over his face. "Yeah, I bet he does. He's a god who has needs, and dammit, he wants them satisfied!"

He laughs uncontrollably, tilting back in his chair. He proffers the cup to his Chief of Affairs again, who calmly takes it and collapses it.

"The Delegation from Allech-Atreus must unfortunatley retire. Ambassador Pendankr needs a bit of rest, and I'm not nearly drunk enough to get back up on that podium and speak."

i said earlier that i was sory for my misunderstanding of the difference between a repeal and an apeal i will stand by wat i believe even in the event of defeat as for the issue on me being an idiot because of my web talk i will continue i am not an idiot it is a trait of man kind to make things as short and as easy as possible.this is just a game and i will not takeit so seriously that i will spell check and and talk in complele sentences u my notice lol that this is a run-on senence lol.

Meanwhile in the UN Building Management Offices, Communications Department, Translation Division.

As the Ambassador from Octovanyo finished speaking suddenly every phone in the room started ringing. The division manager, Ida Ratherbe came out and demanded to know what's going on. "I don't know ma'am, all of a sudden we're getting reports from everyone in the General Assembly that their Universal Translators are malfunctioning."

"All of them? What caused it?"

"Unknown at this time, all we know is that the reports started coming in shortly after the ambassador from Octovanyo finished speaking."

"All right, run the diagnostic programs on the UTs, if they come up empty start searching the translation matrix codes line by line..."

"Line by line!" the technicial interrupted, "that's crazy, we've got over half a million lines of code in those programs, it'll take us months just to finish one of them."

"Then you better stop complaining about it, start with the Octovanyoese matrix, in the meantime, I'm going to go make an announcement."

A short time later in the General Assembly hall.

Ladies and Gentlemen, and the Kennyites. If I could have your attention for just a second, I promise to give it back. I'm Ida Ratherbe, I'm in charge of the Universal Translator division for the UN Building Management. I'd like to ask everyone to please stop calling us about the recent malfunction of the translators, we know about it and we're working to correct the problem. Thank you for your time.

OOC: Kenny, I had to do it, it was either you or Cluich and you lost the coin flip.:D

This is a well crafted resolution, but the most important thing is that it is preparatory to a well crafted alternative resolution being in the pipeline to actually offer a solution to a flawed resolution.

Sir Geoffrey Gosford
Prime Minister of the Commonwealth of SchwarzchildActually Sir Gosford, if I recall correctly the Hirotan delegation is currently working on a replacement.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Actually Sir Gosford, if I recall correctly the Hirotan delegation is currently working on a replacement.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

In fact, they have been:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=495065

I know that my government tends to place a higher priority on proposed resolutions when other governments express an interest in the drafts -- so if any nation is interested in a viable replacement, I'd highly encourage them to contact Hirota.

-Howie T. Katzman

My fellow nations...

Resolution #114 is clearly a noble issue. It recognizes a very serious problem facing third-world countries. However, the method in which it achieves its goal is highly innefficent and very costly. Resolution #114's "hydroponic plants" seem ridiculous; considering recently developed technology can extract pure water from the moisture in the air, a literally unexhaustable source. This article (http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,71898-0.html?tw=rss.index) describes the technology.

Therefore, I support the repeal of Resolution #114, and propose that new legislation should encourage the development of this new water-producing technology.

I agree completely good resolution but I think needs some more detail on how they're going to fix the problem, or better ways!

The Nation of Havvy completly agrees to this BAN. I was looking at it, and I noticed the title. Form UNCMM or something like that. Well, according to the rules, you can't make a resoulution form an organization only. Well, it also comes with some crappy laws to go with it. We should get a new proposal, that states something about the polution of rivers in a region is illiagle as it polluts all rivers. Now, outside of that, I am fine.

Nations grow rediculously fast.
That isn't Web-Speak. It's Gibberish.
All Hail Grammar Nazis! We have 3 in Havvy, just to make sure people speak correctly. Now, they aren't after Jews though. They are just after bad grammar and wish to rid of the world of such sin.

----The Ambassador, Jerry Trimley (Made up name I think) than makes random hand signs. At best quess, you think it's some sort of sign language for the deaf. *Hint Hint*.----

Thank you and good night. --Steals the flask. "No beer for you".

The Nation of Havvy completly agrees to this BAN.
What ban? It's a repeal, it does nothing but strike a Resolution from the books.
I was looking at it, and I noticed the title. Form UNCMM or something like that. Well, according to the rules, you can't make a resoulution form an organization only.
The title doesn't mean anything. Since the Resolution does more than just make a committee, it doesn't violate the rule.
Well, it also comes with some crappy laws to go with it.
Precisely why it didn't break the rules.
We should get a new proposal, that states something about the polution of rivers in a region is illiagle as it polluts all rivers. Now, outside of that, I am fine.
Hirota is working on a replacement. It's coming along well, I've seen earlier drafts.

As bad form as it is to comment and then Moderate, I'm going to.

Comment: One often overlooked problem with so-called "web speak" is the disasterous effect it can have on non-native speakers. Even simple typos can make words into utter, unintelligable gibberish. Think about it... if native speakers can't make heads or tails of it, what's the poor bastard who learned English as a second language going to do.

Moddy-Type Comment: We've all had our fun, and it's obvious that the poster won't change. Simply ignore silently, or respond to the... ah... "content". Further Nazi'ing is unnecessary.

I vote in favor of appeal. The science behind this method does not seem sound to me. I do not think that plants can make sewage water drinkable, I would not drink it. And I would not let my people drink water i would not drink myself.

H.I.M Indriss XI, Padishah Emperor of Maetron

"The Delegation from Allech-Atreus must unfortunatley retire. Ambassador Pendankr needs a bit of rest, and I'm not nearly drunk enough to get back up on that podium and speak."

I find this helps, man...

Sheik Larebil bin Cluich passes a joint over to the delegation from Allech-Atreus.

Her Excellency, Prime Secretary Nuriyah bint Rashad Khadhim,
People’s Democratic Social Republic of Ariddia

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*snip*Successful in freeing Riley from the clutches of the godless Ardchoilleans, Sammy had sounded his retreat from the Strangers' Bar, and once again found himself in the sanctuary of the General Assembly, safe from the arresting stare of Amb. Zyryanov's "watchful eye," whatever mischievous curse Dicey Reilly could rain down upon him if she changed her mind, and he didn't even want to think about what Dahlia Black was doing with that 120-year-old fossil up in his office.

He expected to walk in on some heated exchanges about the proposal at vote, but was disappointed to find instead that no one had even started to discuss the repeal yet: only a few pedantic back-and-forths about one delegation's syntax, a singing sheik distributing joints and (what else?) pansies, a white-robed intern stealing flirty glances at him, some paper-pusher from UNBM taking cheap shots, and, of course, Jessie McArthur, snorting crack in the back of the chamber with those "American Republicans" the congenital moaner from Schwarzchild was on about earlier. Nonetheless, Sammy took his seat, hoping at least to catch some entertaining defenestrations before the roll was called.

Alas, that would be awhile, as Anne Hathaway (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Nuriyah_bint_Rashad_Khadhim) was apparently holding the floor, taking the Kennyite back to his lazy college summers at Grandma's house, and those God-awful Disney DVDs his little sister used to make him sit through. ... What was this lady yammering about, anyway? The "advancement of a perverse capitalist agenda, forging a path towards misery and the extinguishing of essential social rights"? "Using our power against the helpless masses for the selfish benefit of the few"? If the UN was advancing anything, it was hollow demagogic rhetoric from misinformed anti-trade advocates like this Ariddian gal, bemoaning the assembly's few pro-economy agreements, which actually helped the poor. The NS stats proved it (or at least he thought they would). The only way to get the poor out of their "misery" was to pull the economies of their nations out of their protectionist doldrums. No (typically) empty communist drivel could change that. And what was this about "restricting essential rights on the basis of subjective moral codes"? This woman sounded exactly like his college professors with their claptrap about "moral relevancy," "social justice" and "progressivism." He wondered whether he ought to get up and offer a few words himself about this body's propensity toward finger-wagging nonsense about "human rights," and several delegations' loud, arrogant denunciations of "backward regimes" and how they must be saved from themselves? Maybe even crack a joke about how the (red) devil had just appeared before the assembly, and how the dais still reeked of sulfur? Made him laugh.

There wouldn't be much to say about the actual proposal the body was supposed to be discussing. The corporate sponsors liked it, the State Department liked it, so he liked it. That was about it.

He dispensed with the idea of a floor rebuttal. When in doubt about a diplomat's motives, his international affairs professors had taught him, handle things like a Kennyite. And that he would. He leaned in toward Cmdr. Chiang, whispering: "I wonder if you can find out if this commie has any connections to--?"

"Terrorism? There's no 'wonderment' about it, Ambassador. Her name and facial features are a dead giveaway. I'm on it." Chiang cracked her knuckles as she pulled out a few slender pointed reeds. "Them manicured hands won't look so pretty when I'm done questioning her!"

"No, actually, I was wondering if she had any connection to 'The Princess Diaries' movies. They're a far greater crime against humanity."

Originally Posted by Allech-Atreus
"The Delegation from Allech-Atreus must unfortunatley retire. Ambassador Pendankr needs a bit of rest, and I'm not nearly drunk enough to get back up on that podium and speak."

I find this helps, man...

Sheik Larebil bin Cluich passes a joint over to the delegation from Allech-Atreus.
Sen. Sulla sits listening to the debate with a contented expression. On his desk is a large wheel of Fine Yeldan Cheese(TM), a box of crackers, a cheese knife, and a bottle of Wild Turkey Rare Breed(TM) He looks over at the Cluichstani hippy freak, and the delegate from Allech-Atreus and says,

"If you need some booze or munchies, help yourself. I've got plenty more where that came from."
He gives a withering look at the hippy freak and says icily,
"And no, I don't want a damned flower"
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My fellow nations...

Resolution #114 is clearly a noble issue. It recognizes a very serious problem facing third-world countries. However, the method in which it achieves its goal is highly innefficent and very costly. Resolution #114's "hydroponic plants" seem ridiculous; considering recently developed technology can extract pure water from the moisture in the air, a literally unexhaustable source. This article (http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,71898-0.html?tw=rss.index) describes the technology.

Therefore, I support the repeal of Resolution #114, and propose that new legislation should encourage the development of this new water-producing technology.

Quite simply the resolution gave room for a committee to be created to deal with the sanitation of water. Now you have to realise that the committee are human and so have brains and this means that they have the means to advise the UN on any alternative methods to recycle water. Therefore the government of mushat so advises that the resolution shouldn't be repealed otherwise the committee will go with it. The government therefore advises that the resolution should be modified to reflect changes in technology as at the time of creation, the type of technology was thought to be a sound piece of tech and now this new technology has come out then it should be implemented. So again, the resolution shouldn't be repealed but all nations should say that it should move with the times of technology. Or you create another resolution to supercede #114 and subsequent others so as to keep the up to date with technology and keep the committee up to speed and have the UN backing to implement the technologies that are set before them.

The science is available to clean sewage waste to drinking water.....it will cost plenty of money. Lets move forward to provide water to the needy.

The government therefore advises that the resolution should be modified... Or you create another resolution to supercede #114 and subsequent others so as to keep the up to date with technology and keep the committee up to speed and have the UN backing to implement the technologies that are set before them.

No, and no. The first would be an amendment, which we cannot, nor should not be dealing with.

The second is likely to be deleted for duplication. Furthermore, a replacement that answers the concerns of the delegation of Mushat is currently undergoing the drafting process, led by Hirota. It's as close to an amendment as can be made.


Tommo the Stout
Ambassador

The UN was created to collectively decide on things. Therefore they should collective spend money on things therefore making life easier and money not having to be an issue at all.

The science is available to clean sewage waste to drinking water.....it will cost plenty of money. Lets move forward to provide water to the needy.

Your stance on the repeal then?

Deletion shouldn't be an issue because it can cause unneccessary delusions of grandure from other parties that will come to the wrong conclusion. The UN would be seen to create and delete resolutions at will and the very delegates could be in questions ie can't we decide and stick with anything? Simple modification is far better. In this respect, it is an issue of new technology and so you'd rather throw out a resolution rather than shall we say......change the wording. Hence why superceding was suggested and in that respect, as it is a supersession then the old one can be deleted.

Deletion shouldn't be an issue because it can cause unneccessary delusions of grandure from other parties that will come to the wrong conclusion. The UN would be seen to create and delete resolutions at will and the very delegates could be in questions ie can't we decide and stick with anything? Simple modification is far better. In this respect, it is an issue of new technology and so you'd rather throw out a resolution rather than shall we say......change the wording. Hence why superceding was suggested and in that respect, as it is a supersession then the old one can be deleted.

Sigh ... another one of these bozos. Here:

The fucking rules (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465)

Like I said. We CANNOT and should not make amendments.

Beyond that, look through the list of Resolutions. See how many have been repealed. And for good reasons. Tell me, who but some haughty upstart who has never read the rules has ever complained about the UN delegates? And which of these delegates, including myself, has ever cared?

Like I said. We CANNOT and should not make amendments.

Beyond that, look through the list of Resolutions. See how many have been repealed. And for good reasons. Tell me, who but some haughty upstart who has never read the rules has ever complained about the UN delegates? And which of these delegates, including myself, has ever cared?

And how many delegates are lazy and we're all guilty of that on occassion.

If silence were to fall abruptly in the halls of the UN, everyone would swiftly become aware of a noise emanating from somewhere that is either at the end of the 'C' section or the beginning of the 'D' section of the Assembly. The unmistakable strains of Metallica, at volumes which would kill a lesser being -- despite the headphones -- are filtering through to the rest of the United Nations from close proximity to the ears of a small man approximately twenty-eight inches in height. Next to him a giant badger has noticed that the small man is making a spectacle, or whatever a spectacle's equivalent is in terms of hearing, of himself.

The badger taps the midget's shoulder with a heavy paw, and the short man appears to awake from a sound slumber, the music abruptly shutting off as he blinks around, recognising the gently repudiating features of the badger as he reluctantly grumbles, "Oh, what is it now?"

"There's a resolution up for vote, Starfire."

"Again? The last one was only eighteen albums ago!"

The diminutive fellow, Czardániel i Starfire, stands up on his chair, which makes him appear to be as tall as everyone else. "What's this one about?"

Eria, the badger, hands him two sheets of paper. i Starfire glances at them, nods. "Oh yes, that's the resolution that forced us to spend billions on trying to refine our sewage for human consumption. Not as though anyone cared... they all bought bottled water anyway. Bloody idiots." He hops onto the table, grabbing a microphone and yelling, "I have something to say."

No-one listens, but he presses on bravely.

"The Whole Sort of General Mish Mash of Czardas has chosen to vote in favour of the current resolution. We would also not support a replacement unless it included some lines about allowing us to hunt down country musicians with pitchforks.

"That is all."

i Starfire sets down the microphone, jumps off the table, and puts his headphones back on. He has songs he wants to keep, and miles to go before he sleep.

Sleeps. Whatever.

..."The Whole Sort of General Mish Mash of Czardas has ...

[benign threadjack]

Excellent Douglas Adams homage thingy, that. Hitchhiker's Guide and its 'sequels' are the best things to ever be printed. The size of the book is the only thing keeping me from carrying it around and reading random bits whenever the world gets me down.

*goes to find an electronic version to put in his handheld*

[/benign threadjack]

Pendankr, on his seventh shot of whatever it was Umdiroplach carried around with him, blinked.

"Huh? Your god needs to be "pleased?" His eyes mist over and a creepy schoolboy smile comes over his face. "Yeah, I bet he does. He's a god who has needs, and dammit, he wants them satisfied!"

He laughs uncontrollably, tilting back in his chair. He proffers the cup to his Chief of Affairs again, who calmly takes it and collapses it.

"The Delegation from Allech-Atreus must unfortunatley retire. Ambassador Pendankr needs a bit of rest, and I'm not nearly drunk enough to get back up on that podium and speak."

(Again Role Playing)

You disgusting bag of flesh, may you regret the day you ever spoke such hubris! It is only at the wise council of higher level officials that I do not recommend a declaration of war on you miserable country, and demand that you be drawn a courtered before a altar of the Lord Almighty! How dare you speak such blasphemies! Do you not know that it was the Lord who breathed life into our bodies, that it was the Lord who showed us the proper way to live without filth or disease, and that it was the Lord who sacrificed his son so that we may be forgiven?! May you feel his anger! Be fore warned you drunken imbecile, that judgment day draws nearer, and on that day Satan’s armies will rise up out of Hell, and then you and all scum like you will be left to face the four horsemen and the rest of Lucifer's armies! They will tear you faithless body limb from limb, and then after you last dying breath is uttered you will have the wrath of God to deal with! Don't ever come near me again, or I swear with the Lord as my witness that I will kill you myself! May the fires of Hell consume you!

Archpriest
Temple Health Department


(I love role playing religious, it is so much fun!)

You disgusting bag of flesh, may you regret the day you ever spoke such hubris! It is only at the wise council of higher level officials that I do not recommend a declaration of war on you miserable country, and demand that you be drawn a courtered before a altar of the Lord Almighty! How dare you speak such blasphemies! Do you not know that it was the Lord who breathed life into our bodies, that it was the Lord who showed us the proper way to live without filth or disease, and that it was the Lord who sacrificed his son so that we may be forgiven?! May you feel his anger! Be fore warned you drunken imbecile, that judgment day draws nearer, and on that day Satan’s armies will rise up out of Hell, and then you and all scum like you will be left to face the four horsemen and the rest of Lucifer's armies! They will tear you faithless body limb from limb, and then after you last dying breath is uttered you will have the wrath of God to deal with! Don't ever come near me again, or I swear with the Lord as my witness that I will kill you myself! May the fires of Hell consume you!

Archpriest
Temple Health Department

Melodramatic, aren't you? I think I'll just mind my business, and not worry to much about your dear and fluffy lord.

Former Minister of UN Affairs
Edward Jones

You disgusting bag of flesh, may you regret the day you ever spoke such hubris! It is only at the wise council of higher level officials that I do not recommend a declaration of war on you miserable country, and demand that you be drawn a courtered before a altar of the Lord Almighty! How dare you speak such blasphemies! Do you not know that it was the Lord who breathed life into our bodies, that it was the Lord who showed us the proper way to live without filth or disease, and that it was the Lord who sacrificed his son so that we may be forgiven?! May you feel his anger! Be fore warned you drunken imbecile, that judgment day draws nearer, and on that day Satan’s armies will rise up out of Hell, and then you and all scum like you will be left to face the four horsemen and the rest of Lucifer's armies! They will tear you faithless body limb from limb, and then after you last dying breath is uttered you will have the wrath of God to deal with! Don't ever come near me again, or I swear with the Lord as my witness that I will kill you myself! May the fires of Hell consume you!

Archpriest
Temple Health DepartmentI dub thee Reverend Strawman (http://www.elfonlyinn.net/d/20040528.html).

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Doctor Denis Leary
Ambassador to the UN
The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

OOC: Must ... Not ... Give ... Way. No more religious rantatory in public, I promi--

... the godless Ardchoilleans ...

Well, maybe just a few paragraphs more wouldn't hurt ...

IC: She had stayed in the Assembly out of a sense of duty, though most of her attention had been focussed on the chart she was making for yet another cross-stitched cushion for her quarters. But then that poor man from Jehovah's Chosen began his anguished outpouring, and her heart was torn. So much hate! Such self-hatred!

She waited for the Cardinal from Mushat -- surely, by his rank, someone much older and surer in his faith, which was, like all faiths, but one of the many faces of The Lady -- to pour balm on the wounds of this straying sheep. But no, it seemed this was her time of trial. She had always known there would be a time like this. A time when she would have to Speak.

"Oh, my poor Reverend, do not blame yourself like this!" she cried. "Don't you understand, you condemn others only because you fear you are condemned? But The Mother loves you! She will not cast you aside, any more than She will reject dear Ambassador Pendankr! Yes, our bodies may be filthy -- especially if the replacement proposal isn't as good as we're expecting, though, of course, it will be ..."

She felt for a moment that she was falling into confusion, fearful that she might seem to be criticising the noble Hirotans, but seized the thread of argument in her teeth and resumed, " ... for are we not all of us, ourselves and our world, merely separated parts of Her great lovingness? And how could She hate any of us, who are part of Herself? It is true, some may be further away than others" -- she was careful not to turn her head in any discernible direction -- "but we will one day all unite in the great Coming-Together, and I implore you and the other fine delegates to consult that loving part of Her that is in your hearts, and vote for this repeal, that we may bring in a newer, finer, cleaner resolution and move all of us one step closer to Herself."

She would be on her guard, of course, against the sin of self-pride, but she wondered, as she sat shyly down, if Ambassador Faisano might have noticed. She didn't think she'd done too badly, for an intern, though perhaps it wasn't quite what Co-President Reilly had told her to say.

Without a link to the report(s) of the UNWCC, this resolution is meaningless. The Committee has had over a year to effect their changes and determine the merits of this method for providing clean water to the (unwashed) masses – how can we judge the validity of the approach without those reports?

The hubris of such a proposal to repeal Resolution #114 without providing adequate information for consideration is considerable. Making such an ill-conceived proposal is tantamount to making the assumption that the United Nations is just a debating society and does not have very real effect on millions, nay, billions, of lives. We, the good people of ThisNameForRent, cannot and will not support such a measure.

I voted against the repeal

MH

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/8199/accelerusgatesvilleflagny3.gif (http://imageshack.us)

The Regional Delegate of Gatesville, The Gatesville Princess of Nevadar, has voted FOR the Repeal of "Establish UNWCC" after reviewing the opinions of the members of the region. Once again, this the position currently shared by the majority of UN voters who have registered their votes.

Hellar Gray

General Thunk of the Allied States of the Federation of Ethical Soviet Socialist Republics has voted against this repeal, which would hurt our peerless industry by forcing our ingenious engineers to find new ways to get drinking water and purify it.

Measure 114 is more than good enough to stay, nyet?

General Thunk of the Allied States of the Federation of Ethical Soviet Socialist Republics has voted against this repeal, which would hurt our peerless industry by forcing our ingenious engineers to find new ways to get drinking water and purify it.


Actually, no. A repeal doesn't force you to do anything. A repeal means that the repealled resolution is no longer recognised by the United Nations. But you're perfectly free to not abolish it within your own nation.


Christelle Zyryanov,
Ambassador to the United Nations,
PDSRA

General Thunk of the Allied States of the Federation of Ethical Soviet Socialist Republics has voted against this repeal, which would hurt our peerless industry by forcing our ingenious engineers to find new ways to get drinking water and purify it.

Measure 114 is more than good enough to stay, nyet?

Nyet, it is not good enough to stay. Especially since its main measure (the use of hydroponic plants) is not effective in much of the world. Norderia included.

Go ahead and keep doing it, by all means, as the Ariddian delegation has pointed out, repealing the Resolution will not force you to cease your practice of it.

Without a link to the report(s) of the UNWCC, this resolution is meaningless. The Committee has had over a year to effect their changes and determine the merits of this method for providing clean water to the (unwashed) masses – how can we judge the validity of the approach without those reports?

The hubris of such a proposal to repeal Resolution #114 without providing adequate information for consideration is considerable. Making such an ill-conceived proposal is tantamount to making the assumption that the United Nations is just a debating society and does not have very real effect on millions, nay, billions, of lives. We, the good people of ThisNameForRent, cannot and will not support such a measure.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9385184&postcount=115

There, have fun. If you know anything about hydroponic flora water purification, you'll know that it is not a solution for every nation.

I dub thee Reverend Strawman (http://www.elfonlyinn.net/d/20040528.html).

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Doctor Denis Leary
Ambassador to the UN
The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

Lol, loved the thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9385184&postcount=115

There, have fun. If you know anything about hydroponic flora water purification, you'll know that it is not a solution for every nation.

Thank you for your attempt to help enlighten me, but it would appear that you did not bother to read my message.

The link you provided is to the text of original UN Resolution 114, which I have, indeed, read, of course. However, what I was requesting was the report generated by the Committee that was established by Resolution 114, the UNWCC. It's not as if this Committee has been in existence for over a year without producing a single report!

Yes, I do indeed know something about hydroponic flora water purification. I suspect that you know something about hydroponic flora water purification. However, this august body of the United Nations created a committee of experts to study and enact it. I would like to see the work and conclusions of that body of experts before I vote to abolish the Committee. I simply think that those who rush through such proposals are being rash.

Respectfully yours,

Thank you for your attempt to help enlighten me, but it would appear that you did not bother to read my message.

The link you provided is to the text of original UN Resolution 114, which I have, indeed, read, of course. However, what I was requesting was the report generated by the Committee that was established by Resolution 114, the UNWCC. It's not as if this Committee has been in existence for over a year without producing a single report!

Yes, I do indeed know something about hydroponic flora water purification. I suspect that you know something about hydroponic flora water purification. However, this august body of the United Nations created a committee of experts to study and enact it. I would like to see the work and conclusions of that body of experts before I vote to abolish the Committee. I simply think that those who rush through such proposals are being rash.

Respectfully yours,

OOC: No, you misunderstand how committees work around here.
nations do not sit on committees, they are staffed by mystical beings that instantly spring into existance and live only to serve on said committee.So as you can see, there are no players on the UNWCC, and the game is not coded to be able to produce any reports from the committee, so there is no report for you to read.

Thank you for your attempt to help enlighten me, but it would appear that you did not bother to read my message.

The link you provided is to the text of original UN Resolution 114, which I have, indeed, read, of course. However, what I was requesting was the report generated by the Committee that was established by Resolution 114, the UNWCC. It's not as if this Committee has been in existence for over a year without producing a single report!

Yes, I do indeed know something about hydroponic flora water purification. I suspect that you know something about hydroponic flora water purification. However, this august body of the United Nations created a committee of experts to study and enact it. I would like to see the work and conclusions of that body of experts before I vote to abolish the Committee. I simply think that those who rush through such proposals are being rash.

Respectfully yours,

Ah, I see. I dug one up.


*snip snippity snip*

... [It] doesn't work.

*snip snip snippo*

Satisfied?

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I think there was another one that was just as boring. But it was so boring I don't even remember what it was. [Yawn]

Hurlbot Barfanger
Ambassador to the United Nations

*throws a chair*

OOC: But, hey! If this passes (and it looks like it will), I'll be the first player to ever pass resolutions with three different nations. Four if you count Yelda's co-authorship of NERA. Now that's something to argue about, isn't it? Yeldan arrogance! [/blatant attempt to stimulate debate/argument]

This had better not be a trend..... I remember the fun debates, like the failed abortion and anti-terror debates and such. 50+ pages and what not.

what? There was something that was more exciting than I agree tons of times? Let's get a real debate started. Well, I think we shall have some interesting debates for some of the next proposals.

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Would you prefer a debate along the lines of the one we had for Repeal "Gay Rights?"

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Rack walks in, bemused by all the noise. "Certainly wouldn't happen like this back home..." he mutters, a little amused by the novel experience of not having the entire room go silent upon entering it.

Taking his seat, and looking up the agenda, he notes the discussion is still on that still on that silly water thing his aids were telling him about. He was sure he insisted that his PA schedual his arrival when more important topics are up for discussion...

He pulls up a pen, and starts to draft a speach about how countrys with water problems only have themselves to blame for not looking after the environment or choosing to live in such dry areas, but that either way Rackinghams prisons are conclusive proof that untreated waste water is drinkable, so the repeal should go through... without a followup proposal forcing countrys to waste money on rubbish issues like this.

Just as Rack is finishing his speach, he is forced to duck as a chair strikes the weirdo in army fatigues seated beside him. Instead, Rack simply presses the "Repeal" button, mutters something about getting his PA to organise an invasion of that silly little chair throwing country before he has her replaced for screwing up his schedual and walks out the room.

Would you prefer a debate along the lines of the one we had for Repeal "Gay Rights?"

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Imagine the one for the upcoming Repeal "Sexual Freedoms."

Imagine the one for the upcoming Repeal "Sexual Freedoms."

Yes, but we have at least 3 weeks before we have to worry about that. Let's focus on this repeal.

I voted FOR.

Imagine the one for the upcoming Repeal "Sexual Freedoms."

I don't want to.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

I don't want to.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Aww... it won't be that bad, Bob.

Dahlia Black
UN Representative
Queendom of Karmicaria

Aww... it won't be that bad, Bob.

Dahlia Black
UN Representative
Queendom of Karmicaria

That's not what my psychic advisor said.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

How about the agricultural one? I like to focus on the crappy ones better though, like the ones made by Crenna...

That's not what my psychic advisor said.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Bah! Psychic advisor? The debate for Repeal 'Sexual Freedom' will be just as boring as the last few At Vote debates.

Dahlia Black
UN Representative
Queendom of Karmicaria

Well, the Bar's open 24/7 ...

A tall, slender man in a suit with black hair in a topknot steps up to speak.

"Fellow members of the U.N., my name is Jaris Krytellin, and I am the ambassador of the Kingdom of Altanar. I would first like to thank you for admitting my nation to this noble assembly. We appreciate the gesture and hope to return such faith with noble service and dedication."

"Second, after further review of the possible options to UNWCC, I would like to announce that Altanar is changing its vote and is now in favor of this proposal. Thank you."

After this speech, Krytellin sits back down quietly, calmly watching the rest of the room. This is certainly an....interesting....place. Not much different from debates in the Senate back home, actually, he thinks wryly, remembering the chair that had flown across the room.

The people of the Grand Duchy of Walcoznat are particularly concerned with the quality of water, seeing as we are currently located underwater. We feel that a UN-regulated system for maintaining clean water for the world is a vitally important factor in providing quality of life. While I agree that the scientific merits of the prior method are low, I can not endorse an effort to remove the UNWCC until after a BETTER system has been proposed and put into effect.

If we merely trust that the various nations who are moving to remove the preexisting system for establishing clean water will grace us with a better system after this one has been removed, I feel we are taking great risk. Suppose this better system is never proposed or turns out to be worse than the previous system? Even if the new system is proposed and does provide better protection for our water, suppose it does not receive the number of votes necessary to put it in place? Are we willing to throw away the water cleansing techniques currently in place when better methods may never be provided?

I think now is decidedly not the time to take such drastic steps as to remove this system, and that the proposal should be made again after an improved system has been proposed, elected, and established.

While I agree that the scientific merits of the prior method are low, I can not endorse an effort to remove the UNWCC until after a BETTER system has been proposed and put into effect.


OOC: That's not possible, due to game mechanics. A resolution cannot duplicate another, so you need to first repeal the resolution, then see about replacing it. Which is far from ideal, but it's unfortunately the way the game works.

Would you prefer a debate along the lines of the one we had for Repeal "Gay Rights?"

Bob Flibble
UN Representative
Or Fair Sentencing Act!? I pray for boring debates on my resolutions.

The resolution Repeal "Establish UNWCC" was passed 9,812 votes to 3,455.

This calls for a "Yay!"

Yay!

Or Fair Sentencing Act!? I pray for boring debates on my resolutions.The FSA debate doesn't even hold a candle to the IWF one. Good God.

Yay!

Well, the Bar's open 24/7 ...OOC: Which reminds me, Bob's been sitting in there motionless since what's her name from Enn died.

Or Fair Sentencing Act!? I pray for boring debates on my resolutions.

The FSA debate doesn't even hold a candle to the IWF one. Good God.

IC: And I still maintain that the Repeal "Gay Rights" debate is the worst of all time. Hell we were this close to haveing an all out flame war in the General Assembly.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

This had better not be a trend..... I remember the fun debates, like the failed abortion and anti-terror debates and such. 50+ pages and what not.

Failed? The Abortion Legality Convention and the UN Counterterrorism Initiative both passed. I'd offer you a hit of my joint, but wow...you're memory's already bad enough as it is.

Instead, have a flower.

http://www.friendsofsaguaro.org/poppy-arizona.jpg

Love, luck and lollipops,
Sheik Larebil bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Failed? The Abortion Legality Convention and the UN Counterterrorism Initiative both passed. I'd offer you a hit of my joint, but wow...you're memory's already bad enough as it is.

Love, luck and lollipops,
Sheik Larebil bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

I think he might have been referring to the debate itself. I wasn't around for the Abortion Legality Convention debate, but I was around for the last UN Counterterrorism Initiative debate. That one was fun. At least I enjoyed it.