NationStates Jolt Archive

This has been on the proposal list for about half a day now :

Intellectual Value Protection

As the current society tends to protect abnormal minorities and individuals which natural selection would eliminate in a few years, a new law to protect intellectuals and valuable individuals was in order.

1.Any individual which has been acknowledged as a valuable addition to the domain of activity he works in,whether he is mentally superior or simply gifted, should be granted special social protection. The special social protection should consist in a free life insurance, lower mortgage rates, and better law protection. In case the individual should be charged of any felony, the lawyer fees should be supported by the state.

2.Any young citizen which shows great potential in a certain domain, although he does not have the legal age to practise, should be offered the possibility of going to a special school where his aptitudes could develop more. This will be done free of charge.

3. The decision of whether or not an individual can be granted the above rights, should be made after the respective individual supplies a C.V or report sheet of his current and past activities. Also a psychological check should be performed. If these documents and the psychological check prove his value, he is eligible for the afore mentioned privileges.

4.If an individual of inferior standards should kill or severely wound a valuable individual, his legal punishment should be raised, according to each state's own legislation.

For the Republic's response, I defer to Chief Serph, of the Guild of Paladins:

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Office of the Chief Paladin
City of Valak
Republic of Krioval

Where to begin. This proposal is an endless pit of suck from which there is no release.

As the current society tends to protect abnormal minorities and individuals which natural selection would eliminate in a few years, a new law to protect intellectuals and valuable individuals was in order.

What constitutes an "abnormal" minority? In terms of statistics, aren't all minorities "abnormal" by simple virtue of lying further from center? Taking this further, wouldn't extreme intelligence, along with extreme idiocy, be among the minority in a given population? Seems contradictory to complain about minorities while working to protect...a minority. Way to strike a blow for the intelligent.

Any individual which has been acknowledged as a valuable addition to the domain of activity he works in,whether he is mentally superior or simply gifted, should be granted special social protection. The special social protection should consist in a free life insurance, lower mortgage rates, and better law protection. In case the individual should be charged of any felony, the lawyer fees should be supported by the state.

What if that individual has been "acknowledged as a valuable addition to the domain" of theft or murder? Right. That's about what I thought. A "gifted" serial rapist could, and likely would, be "granted special social protection", including the misappropriation of government funds to pay for criminal attorneys.

Any young citizen which shows great potential in a certain domain, although he does not have the legal age to practise, should be offered the possibility of going to a special school where his aptitudes could develop more. This will be done free of charge.

You mean that your public educational institutions don't already do this? How sad for you. I'd invite you to see how it's done in the White City, but I can't bear the desecration your footfalls would bring to the Guild.

The decision of whether or not an individual can be granted the above rights, should be made after the respective individual supplies a C.V or report sheet of his current and past activities. Also a psychological check should be performed. If these documents and the psychological check prove his value, he is eligible for the afore mentioned privileges.

Perhaps the proposer should be asked for a CV, and the delegate's UN ambassadorship be revoked if certain standards of intellect are not met? I bet I could convene a panel toward this end within hours.

f an individual of inferior standards should kill or severely wound a valuable individual, his legal punishment should be raised, according to each state's own legislation.

I think that this proposal is of "inferior standards", and may very well "severely wound" many "valuable individual[s]" in the form of psychological traumas. I'll go get the bullwhip. You just stand right there...yeah...be back in a few minutes.

Chief Serph Dekker
Guild of Paladins
Valak, Krioval

OOC: Yes, the entire post above was *in character*. While my views would tend to match the fictitious Chief's, I would normally be far more polite than that. Unless I was in a really bad mood.

4.If an individual of inferior standards should kill or severely wound a valuable individual, his legal punishment should be raised, according to each state's own legislation.Bucking for getting knocked again for "Grossly Offensive"?

As the current society tends to protect abnormal minorities and individuals which natural selection would eliminate in a few years, a new law to protect intellectuals and valuable individuals was in order.What standards does one use to determine these so called 'intellectuals and valuable individuals' as don't see any in this.

1.Any individual which has been acknowledged as a valuable addition to the domain of activity he works in,whether he is mentally superior or simply gifted, should be granted special social protection. The special social protection should consist in a free life insurance, lower mortgage rates, and better law protection. In case the individual should be charged of any felony, the lawyer fees should be supported by the state.Do we have to use softer ropes when we hang these for crimes that require such? Talk to our lawyers about how will they will be to work for free to get anyone out of hanging or prison. If they agree to serve the individual for free then so be it. If not then the individual needs to come up with the fee if they want a lawyer. And the fee is not based on ones IQ...

2.Any young citizen which shows great potential in a certain domain, although he does not have the legal age to practise, should be offered the possibility of agoing to a special school where his aptitudes could develop more. This will be done free of charge.First all future citizens here must complete certain required education courses before they even become citizens.. Those that prove above the rest move into areas that they are suited to fill the rest move into areas they are suited to fill. If one is smart or shows they are smart then they are given every change to move up the ladder of life.. One can be smart and not survive in this world simply because they lack the skills in other areas to survive.. Placing them on a pedistal leaves a greater chance somebody will bump the pedistal they fall on their arse and don't survive the fall. This would be doing that thus putting them at rish by separating them from citizens who work just as hard to be productive as they might and give as much to the society as they might.

3. The decision of whether or not an individual can be granted the above rights, should be made after the respective individual supplies a C.V or report sheet of his current and past activities. Also a psychological check should be performed. If these documents and the psychological check prove his value, he is eligible for the afore mentioned privileges.Pordon me but what is a CV...? We during growth test all our future citizens to find a proper place in out society for them. All of them are able to serve some function in this society and are considered equal in it until they commit a crime or choose to not be productive in it. This would bring these to a welfare role in our society and thus give rise to them being deprived of any citizenship rights. As we don't believe anyone has special rights above another.

4.If an individual of inferior standards should kill or severely wound a valuable individual, his legal punishment should be raised, according to each state's own legislation.So if Joe Blow IQ 70 rapes or kills Jane Doe IQ 80 we hang them twice! Or lock them up longer for what they did wrong? We don't consider ones IQ when trying citizens for crimes we consider the crime and the mental state of the person that did the crime. Punishment for certain crimes is hanging, murder is main one... if one repeats a crimes that first time around results in prison time then second time hanging is what they get, rape is such here. We don't consider IQ of the accused when they come to trail.... their mental state we do consider but this has no relation to IQ as we find folks with higher IQ tend to be crazier than those with lower IQ.. especialy when folks with higher IQ want to be singled out for specail considerations.... as we see being done here.

We in Gruenberg cannot support this for reasons of national sovereignty. In any case, it is illegal (it contradicts "The Universal Bill of Rights", which mandates be treated equally under the law).

Nonetheless, we like the general idea, and approve in general of your campaign to instate some moral decency to the UN. Perhaps if you slowed down and concentrated on one proposal at a time, you would have more success.

~Lori Jiffjeff
Legal Aide
Minister of Sandy Vaginas
Chair, "Mothers Against Weird Stuff"

Well, there was another amendment and also a small disambiguation note on the domains which should be considered benefic, but I decided to cut them out so I wouldn't overpass the word limit. I now think it was not such a great idea.

Amendment 4 was meant to be a little more specific, but it could be resumed like this :

"If you kill a valuable individual, your legal punishment should be higher than if you killed a lower standards individual, such as yourself".

Because no, people are not equal from birth. In fact they are not equal in any circumstance !

C.V = Curriculum Vitae = resume

You weren't even close to the limit.

This has got to be one of the most bizarre things I have ever seen. And I've seen Vice President Morgan doing crunches, naked. There are limits to a woman's attractiveness. And apparently, to a United Nations diplomat's reason and sanity.

Therefore, it is with great pride that I confer upon you the Jack Riley Award. Congratulations.

Sammy Faisano
Ambassador to the United Nations

Tommo the Stout glowers

Ohhhhh how gargantuan the amount of shame you bring to the word "Mighty."

You write proposal after proposal with words like "deviant," "abnormal," "inferior," "superior," and such and it makes me sick. Your body of work has got to be one of the most atrocious by anyone who has attempted to author in the UN and posts in this forum. Your pedastal is too tall to climb off of, so work your way down to a high horse, and then come through the clouds, and head back to solid ground. I see such despicable undertones in your work of some kind of superiority complex. Come off it, please.

Ok, I might have gotten a little bit "carried away" lately.

Therefore, I will request this thread to be closed in the moderation forum, because I somehow sense this is going to generate an endless debate\invective proferation, even after the proposal disappears from the proposal list (it's low vote number fortells that).

Oh, sorry for the double post, but I advise some of the previous posters to do a little research on the concept of IQ and try not to mix it with the idea of culture, value and intellectuality (sure, it has a role in developping the last trait, but not decisive !)