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Just a thought. This would be redrafted but i wanted to know what other people thought.


Cannabis Laws

Cannabis should be legalised in all states as it is the people's democratic right to decide whether or not they wish to take the drug. Cannabis in its pure form, has been linked to some mental deterioration, but the main danger of it is via chemicals it is mixed with.

Under this proposal, cannabis would be sold through licensed retailers. The tax placed on it would be 200%. Therefore, it would be abled to finance the burden on the NHS it would place. It would also help to stop people taking harder drugs, which are more dangerous.

Allowing drug laws will also free up polcie time to deal with other issues and get more bobbies on the beat.

Thoughts ppl?

I would also be grateful if ppl would message me with their views.

Illegal for a RL reference. You should check the rules (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465).

If u are implying the mention of the NHS, im syure countries on here must have an equivalent. Certainly in my country i would like to think i spend money on health and thus a National health service.

If u are implying the mention of the NHS, im syure countries on here must have an equivalent.
No, they don't. Gruenberg certainly doesn't. Besides, there would be no guarantee they'd have the same initials. And, even if they do, then it would be a MetaGaming violation.

Like I say, you really should read the rules.

EDIT: Just spotted another illegality - it contradicts Res #128. So yeah, this is going nowhere.

Ok i will redress the proposal.

Cannabis Laws

Cannabis should be legalised in all states as it is the people's democratic right to decide whether or not they wish to take the drug. Cannabis in its pure form, has been linked to some mental deterioration, but the main danger of it is via chemicals it is mixed with.

Under this proposal, cannabis would be sold through licensed retailers. The tax placed on it would be 200%. Therefore, it would be abled to finance the burden on the Health service of the nation's which are in the UN. It would also help to stop people taking harder drugs, which are more dangerous.

Allowing drug laws will also free up polcie time to deal with other issues and get more bobbies on the beat.

Its because of issues like that, that i put this on here so thanks gruenberg, because f i had of submitted that im sure i would have got many complaints. But apart from that, is it a good proposal.

Greetings from the nation of Kuraurisand! It pleases us to see that we are not the only new face in the Assembly prepared to offer an idea. You should be commended for your courage.

I hope you have an equal fortitude, and can excuse the bluntness of my response. :) Rest assured, it is intended solely to make you a better idea-proposer in the future.

That said, let's get into the details, because there's a lot that needs work.

Cannabis should be legalised in all states as it is the people's democratic right

Surely you don't think every member nation of this body is a democracy? I can assure you, we have plenty of heirarchical and even dictatorial nations represented here, so mention of democracy is counterproductive at best.

to decide whether or not they wish to take the drug. Cannabis in its pure form, has been linked to some mental deterioration, but the main danger of it is via chemicals it is mixed with.

This is scientifically interesting, and kudos for being up front on this not being a "completely harmless" drug. However, I'd put this somewhere down below - you're really not going to sell anyone on an idea if you start bashing it /before/ you tout it's merits.

Under this proposal, cannabis would be sold through licensed retailers.

Again, you're assuming a free market economy which may not exist in every nation. What if my nation has no licensing practices for business? Or, conversely, what if private citizens aren't /allowed/ to run companies?

The tax placed on it would be 200%.

Okay, admittedly a tax system is a much safer assumption. However, you're not going to win any support by mandating exactly how much each nation should tax any of it's goods. You should leave things like this open-ended, so that nations can tax, or not, as appropriate for their country.

Therefore, it would be abled to finance the burden on the Health service of the nation's which are in the UN. It would also help to stop people taking harder drugs, which are more dangerous.

So essentially, you're saying we should sell them dope to get them off crack? Isn't that a little bit like stopping bank robbers by making it legal to hit up convenience stores?

Allowing drug laws will also free up polcie time to deal with other issues and get more bobbies on the beat.

"Bobbies"... wow. :) Again, some assumptions in here. What if I don't have police? Or what if I have policemen whose sole job is to go after drugs?

I would encourage you, as a first step, to go over other proposals and mimic their format when you rewrite this. For example, you might start with, "ASSERTING that it is the individual's right to decide what risks are acceptable when it comes to their own health", which is essentially the same as saying people have a right to decide whether or not they take the drug.

Mind you, our government has a lot to say on the /wisdom/ of such a proposal, but we will reserve critique of the actual idea for a time when you've rewritten the proposal to conform to spec.

Regards,
Ambassador Arin mac Nihil
The Community of Kuraurisand
"In labor the body, law the mind, and care the heart."

The tax placed on it would be 200%.
Still illegal. You cannot mandate taxes on solely domestic activities.

I should warn you too Pixil Indians that the last time a drugs resolution was attempted, ("Recreational Drug Legalisation") one that was far more inclusive and open in its scope, it failed, shot down by trigger-happy anti-drug legislators. Your proposal therefore, is unlikely, even if it were made legal, to get off the ground.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

shot down by trigger-happy anti-drug legislators
I'm not sure that's a fair assessment (and before you start, we voted FOR that one).

Nonetheless, your warning is a good one.

Don't worry, I wasn't accusing you specifically.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

P.S. OOC: Incidentally, can I just say that the most annoying thing to have happen you is to spend half-an-hour meticulously replying to about 15 points in two separate posts and then lose the entire reply when you try and log it. Bloody forum controls!

P.S. OOC: Incidentally, can I just say that the most annoying thing to have happen you is to spend half-an-hour meticulously replying to about 15 points in two separate posts and then lose the entire reply when you try and log it. Bloody forum controls!

This is why I always Copy & Paste the post before pressing the submit button...

OOC: I know and normally I do that too. For some reason I forgot today, to my immense cost.

I've had that happen, but Firefox usually keeps everything in memory, so doing a page back restores everything. Dodged losing a 6000 word RP like that once.

As far as the official HotRodian view on this legislation goes...

We recommend that y'all toke up, enjoy your freedom to do so, and stop worrying that not every nation in the UN wants to have that freedom.

We'll start off by saying that I'm probably one of the trigger happy anti-drug advocates being referred to. Don't worry though, I'm not aiming to get it banned throughout the UN, we just don't wish to have mind or body altering substances legalized within Kivisto for anything other than medicinal purposes.

As has been mentioned, not everyone here is running a democracy. In fact, not so long ago, I was one of the rabid, fanatical supporters of a repeal to remove a law that enforced some small level of democracy in every nation. That aside, however, you would need to justify the statement that it is a fundamental right of any nature for a person to choose to do something to themselves that is contrary to their own interests of complete mental and physical health. Just as we, in Kivisto, would not pass legislation that allowed our people the choice to cut off their arms for recreational purpose, we would oppose any legislation that legalized their choice to do something that will have a deleterious mental effect on them.

As for the tax, I'm not so sure that that would be illegal. The UN cannot collect a tax directly from the citizens of the nations, but I don't think it would be illegal for the UN to mandate a tax levied upon certain products. It certainly would be unnecessarily infringing upon a nations rights to set their own tax schedules on domestic products or activities, but that's just another reason to oppose it.

It certainly would be unnecessarily infringing upon a nations rights to set their own tax schedules on domestic products or activities, but that's just another reason to oppose it.
Rights recognised and reserved under Resolution #128, "Representation in Taxation".

I'm leaving any discussion of this "proposal" to my assistant, Tarquin Fin-tim-lim-bim-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'tang-F'tang-Ole-Biscuitbarrel.

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