NationStates Jolt Archive

(I'm not a member of the UN yet, and of course I would have to join before I made this proposal formally. I just want to see what the feedback is on it, since this is the thing I would probably push for in RL if I had that kind of clout.)


WHEREAS it is in the interest of citizens of the world to remain in communication with one another;

NOTING that it is in the nature of humanity is to move from one place to another during the course of their lifetime;

FURTHER NOTING that email provides a portable, stable method of communication that is intangible and can remain accessible to a person regardless of physical location;

RECOGNIZING that privacy concerns, however, might be raised from exclusive government control of email services;

THEREFORE:

PROPOSES the establishment of an official, unique email address, assigned at birth to every individual in every UN member country;

FURTHER PROPOSES that said email address may be autoforwarded to any server that the individual desires, in order to prevent government regulation or monitoring of email content;

FURTHER PROPOSES that said email may be used for official communications from government and business entities;

SUGGESTS strict penalties applied for the transmission of solicitation requests ("spam") to said email addresses.

Okay, that definitely needs a lot of work, but you get the general idea. :) Suggestions?

1. It's always good to get feedback before you submit a proposal...always.

2. Points for origionality, but assigning email addresses at birth sounds really creepy and Orwellian. Although it's an interesting concept, not alot of people (comparitivley) have email or internet access. Aside from that, email is usually very personal, people don't want an address assigned to them, they want their own address, with their own chosen email server.

3. What government has exclusive control of email?

4. No offense, but this resolution is impractical and pointless, I mean, why do we need to assign everyone an email address? I don't see a reason. And what right do we have to do so in the first place?


OOC: This would make a good issue, though.

There is also the further issue that not all nations have the technology level necessary to manage calculators, let alone net cap;able computers.

Quirk of the game, there are past tech and future tech nations, ranging from slightly post invention of the wheel to hyper intelligent shades of the colour blue.

There is also the further issue that not all nations have the technology level necessary to manage calculators, let alone net cap;able computers.

Quirk of the game, there are past tech and future tech nations, ranging from slightly post invention of the wheel to hyper intelligent shades of the colour blue.
Personally I wouldn't be suprised if there aren't nations out there that are pre invention of the wheel.

Personally I wouldn't be suprised if there aren't nations out there that are pre invention of the wheel.I remember one, actually. There was some war about them in NS a couple years ago. Really strange having cavemen watching gravships blasting each other. :eek:

Anyway, nations like that could be ignored, or one of those "ASSUMING the member nation has the appropriate technology, blah blah blah" lines could allow for nations not using e-mail.

hyper intelligent shades of the colour blue.

Holy jeez, what is that from? We used that term to describe a character in a future version of Twelfth Night a long time ago, since we were suddenly short an actor...

What's that from?

Here:
Hooloovoo

A Hooloovoo is a superintelligent shade of the colour blue.

Little is known of them, except that one participated in the construction of the starship Heart of Gold. At the launching ceremony it was temporarily refracted into a free-standing prism. This is probably analogous to the multicoloured lab coats worn by the rest of the team.

Holy jeez, what is that from? We used that term to describe a character in a future version of Twelfth Night a long time ago, since we were suddenly short an actor...

What's that from?


Hitch-Hiker's Guide To The Galaxy by Douglas Adams. The whole 5 1/2 part trilogy is amazing.

Here:
AKA ... Douglas Adam's Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy

Hitch Hiker's! Of course!!!

Now, to add something relevent to the proposal...

I don't like it. I think it's unnecessary, what with the easily accessable email clients. Sure, one doesn't ever have to read the mail from that address, but then you just have computer space being taken up by unwatched email. There's no reason a person should automatically have a system set up for anyone to communicate with them. It oughta be voluntary. And since there's no way to force a person to use that email address, it just sits there, and it's just...

It's unnecessary.

Although I do want to say, I hope you join the UN soon. You seem a cogent and competent person, and I look forward to seeing you around these forums.


Tommo the Stout
Ambassador

Pretty interesting, Love and esterel support it.
It's a pretty good solution for more productivity, efficiency and cost saving in national administrations.(the RL government in the nation I live in is planning something very similar)

But I will only support it if the goals of the proposal to be only for communication between governemnt and one citizen, and for electronic storage of administrative documents for this citizen, and absolutly not for private communication (email private communication is pretty well provided by private "email" economic entities, both by for-profit and not-for-profit ones)

The following can be misleading, Because of many free mail services already existing through the world (Yahoo Mail, Windows Live Mail, Gmail ...)

WHEREAS it is in the interest of citizens of the world to remain in communication with one another;

There's no reason a person should automatically have a system set up for anyone to communicate with them. It oughta be voluntary

Maybe states may create at first an account for desiring persons, and extend progressively to most persons

Pretty interesting, Love and esterel support it.
It's a pretty good solution for more productivity, efficiency and cost saving in national administrations.(the RL government in the nation I live in is planning something very similar)

But I will only support it if the goals of the proposal to be only for communication between governemnt and one citizen, and for electronic storage of administrative documents for this citizen, and absolutly not for private communication (email private communication is pretty well provided by private "email" economic entities, both by for-profit and not-for-profit ones)

The following can be misleading, Because of many free mail services already existing through the world (Yahoo Mail, Windows Live Mail, Gmail ...)


Maybe states may create at first an account for desiring persons, and extend progressively to most persons

Well, the intent of the resolution is to solve some of the pervasive problems our societies have faced over the years. Imagine the personal value of never having to worry about losing touch with a friend who moves away or changes phone numbers or addresses. Imagine the boon to the economy if companies could be assured that people would be unable to just move away from their bills. Imagine the ability to hold diplomatic elections over the internet because the email addresses would be unspoofable and unreplicatable.

Does it have potential for abuse? Oh yes, very much so. So much so that it might seem an idea that struggles against the very essence of chaos itself. But we believe the world would benefit from such a thing in the long run, as much by forcing us to deal with the problems it would cause as by letting us enjoy it's inherent benefits.

Imagine the personal value of never having to worry about losing touch with a friend who moves away or changes phone numbers or addresses.
Do you really think this is going to solve that. The friend would tell you his new phone and email if you really where freinds. The reason these realtionships generaly break down is not because you don't know how to contact them.

. Imagine the boon to the economy if companies could be assured that people would be unable to just move away from their bills.
Not a problem at all your bills GO WITH YOU. Any half sinceable company will just send the bills on and also would know your email already. Any good government knows where law-abiding citizens live and tell companys if people are avoiding bills.

Imagine the ability to hold diplomatic elections over the internet because the email addresses would be unspoofable and unreplicatable.

Lol that is the most easily cracked system ever. I could get into an email account if I wanted(well some types I actualy hacked one of my own but it was only a test if I could do it). This is the ultimate form of voter fraud ever. I live in a democracy not a computor hackers paridise.

On top of this because the UN does not regulate outside the UN spam companies would go to non UN nations and they would have every UN persons email. Can you imagine how much Spam we would get. The entire email system would be rendered useless. People would go back to other emails.

Well, the intent of the resolution is to solve some of the pervasive problems our societies have faced over the years. Imagine the personal value of never having to worry about losing touch with a friend who moves away or changes phone numbers or addresses. Imagine the boon to the economy if companies could be assured that people would be unable to just move away from their bills. Imagine the ability to hold diplomatic elections over the internet because the email addresses would be unspoofable and unreplicatable.

Does it have potential for abuse? Oh yes, very much so. So much so that it might seem an idea that struggles against the very essence of chaos itself. But we believe the world would benefit from such a thing in the long run, as much by forcing us to deal with the problems it would cause as by letting us enjoy it's inherent benefits.

I was not against your proposal, i'm for, and I like the clause withe the autoforward

But my problem with it is that email service is already free and efficient service for every citizen living in the world where internet is available. There is no need to for governments to compete with the private sector in this area.

If you want your adress for life you can buy your own domain name it cost only several dollars/year and redirect your domain(an example: http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/)

Please, keep this pretty good idea to communication between government/citizen and for electronic stockage of administrative papers, and I will fully support this proposal

I was sitting in my office this morning, enjoying a cup of coffee, and sitting peacefully, when one of my pages came rushing into the office alerting me to this discussion off in the corner of the great big debating room. She told me, in a loud, high-pitched and scared voice, that if we voiced dissent against this idea, we would be guilty of "crimething of the highest order". She urged me to contact Congress straight away and get the green-light for a full support, in order to put us "firmly on the side of Ingsoc". Then, in a hushed whisper, she added "Big Brother is watching us all. This is his wish."

(OOC: OK, so that's extreme. The page was probably from a mental hospital high school. Whatever.)

I don't like this idea because it doesn't seem like it would help a lot. If a person moved away without giving you their email or ANY CONTACT INFORMATION WHATSOEVER, they either are extremely neglectful/forgetful/whatever, or actually don't want you to contact them. This seems like a lot of problems (including privacy and number of addresses available) without a lot of benefits. The privacy wouldn't be so much of a concern if it helped a lot.

I have an idea though. What about turning it into something saying that the government had to allow access to email in each nation or something, if that hasn't been done before.

Enrique Lopez
Ambassador to the United Nations

Although I do want to say, I hope you join the UN soon. You seem a cogent and competent person, and I look forward to seeing you around these forums.


Tommo the Stout
Ambassador

Well, no one's thrown our delegation out of the debate hall yet, so it would appear that even as a non-member, Kuraurisand remains free to express it's views on UN Policy, and even propose legislation in this format.

As for our membership, the debate continues, but sadly, it doesn't look like we're going to make it. The Chancellor's office has received letters of complaint from dozens of individuals and agencies, including:

:( The Housing authority, which is unclear as to whether Resolution #9 requires bathroom facilities on a 1:1 basis (Does a couple need to install a third bathroom when they have a child?)

:( Master Sergeant Mikel C. Alvarez, 13, who is concerned that a distinguished three year career as a computer specialist for the Kuraurisand Army would be scrapped by Resolution #49, and Carla Initez, 11, whose job as a filing clerk for Arson Chemicals would be jeopardized by Resoultion #14

:( The Recording Industry Association of Kuraurisand, concerned that Resolution #10 would effectively plunge the music industry into chaos by eliminating our tally-based compensation system (see the news brief in Ishtar's legal thread)

:( The Kuraurisand Academy of Physics, which would be forced by Resolution #24 to convert from the Yugali Pu System to the Metric System

:( The Tyco Province Board of Medical Accreditation, concerned that Resolution #43 might allow euthanasia to be performed by individuals other than medically certified staff

The list goes on and on. We have only reviewed the first fifty regulations, and we have found a number of provisions our citizens are unlikely to ratify.

Regards,
Ambassador Arin mac Nihil
The Community of Kuraurisand
"In labor the body, law the mind, and care the heart."

:( The Tyco Province Board of Medical Accreditation, concerned that Resolution #43 might allow euthanasia to be performed by individuals other than medically certified staff

Regards,
Ambassador Arin mac Nihil
The Community of Kuraurisand
"In labor the body, law the mind, and care the heart."
Ambassador, I fail to see how #43 does anything as it was repealed by resolution #162.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Ambassador, I fail to see how #43 does anything as it was repealed by resolution #162.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Apparently, the membership docket (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=357572) we received had not made note of that.

Yet another reason why joining the organization is unlikely to be in our future, although when our research is exhausted, we may provide a packet with our compilations to other nations which have considered joining, in order to make the process easier for them.

Regards,
Ambassador Arin mac Nihil
The Community of Kuraurisand
"In labor the body, law the mind, and care the heart."

Apparently, the membership docket (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=357572) we received had not made note of that.

Yet another reason why joining the organization is unlikely to be in our future, although when our research is exhausted, we may provide a packet with our compilations to other nations which have considered joining, in order to make the process easier for them.

Regards,
Ambassador Arin mac Nihil
The Community of Kuraurisand
"In labor the body, law the mind, and care the heart."
Who gave you that membership docket? It's way out of date. We suggest you use this one: The UN Timeline on NSwiki (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/UN_Timeline). It's kept almost perfectly up-to-date by a number of contributers.

Yes, yes... I'm a little behind. I'll try to update that.

This is more useful, but I still feel compelled to point out that a version with all the repealed resolutions (and the resolutions that repealed them) yanked out would be the MOST useful.

This is more useful, but I still feel compelled to point out that a version with all the repealed resolutions (and the resolutions that repealed them) yanked out would be the MOST useful.
And yet even here (http://www.nationstates.net/20092/page=UN_past_resolutions) the repealed resolutions and the repeals are still listed, so why would we remove them from anywhere else? They are, after all, still a part of the history of the UN.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

And yet even here (http://www.nationstates.net/20092/page=UN_past_resolutions) the repealed resolutions and the repeals are still listed, so why would we remove them from anywhere else? They are, after all, still a part of the history of the UN.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

I dunno, to facilitate the ease of new members' assimilation? I'm not saying they should be eradicated from the history books, but it would be useful to encounter a more succinct list.

I dunno, to facilitate the ease of new members' assimilation? I'm not saying they should be eradicated from the history books, but it would be useful to encounter a more succinct list.

Don't be lazy.

But hey, you're actually reading past Resolutions, so... Good.

This proposal, however, would be like giving everyone a phone number from birth. That list has got to be a telemarketer's wet dream.

If people want to stay in touch, they'll get their own e-mail address from one of the myriad servers. This is just entirely unnecessary, if your purpose is to help people.

If your purpose is something else, something not implicitly stated in the proposal, then I wag my finger at you.

Before adressing the specifics of this proposal, I would like to take a moment to welcome the honourable delegate of Kuraurisand to this august Assembly, and thank them for their proposal.


WHEREAS it is in the interest of citizens of the world to remain in communication with one another;

You'll get no argument from us there. Greater knowledge and understanding between the peoples of this world is something to be encouraged, not only to help dispel ignorance and prejudice, but also to make people aware of the value of alternate beliefs and ways of life, and for knowledge for its own sake.


NOTING that it is in the nature of humanity is to move from one place to another during the course of their lifetime;

Not true of all peoples. Some societies are centred on attachment to the land, to the point that it is inseperable from their sense of identity as a people.


FURTHER PROPOSES that said email address may be autoforwarded to any server that the individual desires, in order to prevent government regulation or monitoring of email content;


While we in Ariddia have no objection to that, more authoritarian governments will never support you.


Christelle Zyryanov,
Ambassador to the United Nations,
PDSRA

FURTHER PROPOSES that said email address may be autoforwarded to any server that the individual desires, in order to prevent government regulation or monitoring of email content; I would not ever do that to my citizens I would never regulate the internet really. But I think if some nation wants to do it heck why not. Actualy if I think if you are not a democratic nation it is usualy essential.(I am in a democracy so I don't). So I think this is terrible.

I would not ever do that to my citizens I would never regulate the internet really. But I think if some nation wants to do it heck why not. Actualy if I think if you are not a democratic nation it is usualy essential.(I am in a democracy so I don't). So I think this is terrible.

Perhaps we should discuss your definition of "regulation". To Kuraurisand, regulation involves denial, prohibition, blocking, censorship.... this proposal does none of those things, it's more proactive. Almost too proactive, since it doesn't define exactly how such an address would be used, it only puts out that everyone should have one.

PROPOSES the establishment of an official, unique email address, assigned at birth to every individual in every UN member country;

SUGGESTS strict penalties applied for the transmission of solicitation requests ("spam") to said email addresses.I was thinking about just who would clear this of spam and junk until said individual is able to do it themselves. Since you only Suggest about spam one can only figure how much will get to this addy before the kid is old enough to set it up to dump trash even... Might suggest say something like "Email account will not become active until person it assigned to activates the account. Thus messages to an inactive account will go into hyperspace or the twilight zone or someplace other than account.."