NationStates Jolt Archive

REALIZING that garbage is a waste of space on Earth and can be severely harmful to the environment;

NOTING that nobody wants to live near a dump or landfill;

WHEREAS every square inch of space used for garbage dumping is one square inch of space less that can be used for habitation, agrigulture, and wildlife conservation.

REMEMBERING that the exponentially growing population of humans requires an increasing amount of physical space here on Earth;

REQUESTING that more highly industrialized nations assist others in developing the appropriate programs and technologies;

CALLS UPON the international community to launch trash that is neither recyclable nor reusable nor safely biodegradable into Outer Space.

This proposal was put forward by The Most Serene Republic of New Hampshire Jews, and, in short, asks UN countries to, instead of using landfills, fire non recyclable, non biodegradable trash into outer space.

Because trash is taking up valuable space on our Earth and because this is a potential solution, the Outer Space Waste Disposal Act must come to vote so that it can be fairly judged by the World.

-Malpeque Bay

We have several issues with this I'm afraid:

Firstly, many nations have neither the resources nor the technology to do this. And although you "request" that those who do help the others out, this is highly unrealistic. Most nation-states do not act altruistically, and will not spend millions, if not billions, on disposing of other nations' waste, let alone their own.

Secondly, many NS nations exist in space. I do not think they would appreciate us dumping our waste there. Furthermore, I do not believe dumping waste in space is an adequate solution, and will no doubt come back to bite us in the ass, especially as space exploration becomes more commonplace.

Rather, I think we would be better off promoting means to reduce the amount of waste we produce, rather than just finding new places to dump it, such as recycling programmes, or finding means of destroyin it.

Edited to correct poor spelling and grammar attributable to it being 3:20am

I'd personally launch it somewhere specific, the sun, or a black hole. Of course, there is still the issue of cost and technology differences brougth up by Gwenstefani. Although well intentioned, this is an inimplementable resolution.

The honorable representitive from Gwenstefani is correct in saying that many developing nations cannot support a space program. However, history has shown that advanced technology can only become commonly available when it ceases to belong solely to the elite and beomes popularized. The need to universalize space dumping technology will lead to the development of cheaper methods, which will not only reduce polution, but also provide oppurtunities to the underpriviledge and better global markets for major corporations. As to nations which are located in outer space, that issue could easily be solved by selecting only black holes as dumping sites.

REALIZING that garbage is a waste of space on Earth and can be severely harmful to the environment;
Not much of a realization but a note.

NOTING that nobody wants to live near a dump or landfill;
Not true. There's bound to be some people who like living near them. Also, a note about landfills forthcoming.

WHEREAS every square inch of space used for garbage dumping is one square inch of space less that can be used for habitation, agrigulture, and wildlife conservation.
Not true. I need only point to Chicago (my OOC home) and the north shore. Lake Shore Drive and most of the buildings built along it are on top of a landfill.

REMEMBERING that the exponentially growing population of humans requires an increasing amount of physical space here on Earth;
Noting, rather than remembering. Remembering implies a reference to the past.

CALLS UPON the international community to launch trash that is neither recyclable nor reusable nor safely biodegradable into Outer Space.
Space launches are very, very expensive. Beyond that, there are members of this body that are in space. Beyond that, there is likely more aforementioned waste than you might imagine, especially with a UN population of several hundred billion people, that the amount of space launches occuring would do more to pollute the earth than would burying the garbage.

The honorable representitive from Gwenstefani is correct in saying that many developing nations cannot support a space program. However, history has shown that advanced technology can only become commonly available when it ceases to belong solely to the elite and beomes popularized. The need to universalize space dumping technology will lead to the development of cheaper methods, which will not only reduce polution, but also provide oppurtunities to the underpriviledge and better global markets for major corporations. As to nations which are located in outer space, that issue could easily be solved by selecting only black holes as dumping sites.
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We oppose this, strongly, and nudge the delegation from Witchcliff in the direction of their "Space Junk" proposal.

at the moment this idea is impractical since not many nations have space programmes or the money to buy a space shot.

what i would suggest although if nations wanted to send rubbish into space was to ensure that it entered the sun so it could be dealt with instead of floating round space and bothering our space bound neighbours.

Ms Midori Kasigi-Nero
kirisuban deputy ambassador

We oppose this, strongly, and nudge the delegation from Witchcliff in the direction of their "Space Junk" proposal.

After reading this proposal earlier today, believe me, I'm considering it. It's only been a few weeks since ISD passed though, and I'm not sure I'm up to going through another TG campaign again just yet.

I agree with the representative from Hok-Tu. Shooting the trash into a sun is an ok solution, but just letting it float around up there isn't. All that would achieve is moving the problem from one spot to the other. It is much better to solve the problem instead.

Okay you go ahead and shoot your trash at us and we will simply send it back at you. As we don't want to live near a trash dump either. Our nation is not on Earth and we are not human.. We live some place out in that area this would make a trash dump..

As I'm sure there are other members here who also live off Earth and don't want to live near human trash dumps. If humans start dumping their trash near us we will simply return it with ours to them...

The idea of sending it into a sun is probably a good one provided they are carefull not to cause it to nova into something that might wipe out a large chunk of the universe; or leave a huge hole that might just suck all this trash along with the producers into some unknown...

Another point there is an addage that ''what goes up comes back down''.. Well at some point it just might and cause more problems than it would if not sent up. Especily if at some point space can't handle all the trash being sent into it. Every thing has it limits on what it can take before it crashes.

The Rogue Nation of Razat has no space program, nor the ability to create one in a reasonable time. However, we wouldn't object if a more advanced nation were to provide us with rockets, preferably nuclear powered ones, so we could launch our trash into space.

The Rogue Nation of Razat has no space program, nor the ability to create one in a reasonable time. However, we wouldn't object if a more advanced nation were to provide us with rockets, preferably nuclear powered ones, so we could launch our trash into space.It would be best advised that one not mention nukes here as one might find they will get their wish of recieving such if they send their trash into the sectors of space occupied by anyone of a number of nations outside the UN that would see that as an act of agression toward them by humans or anyone else.

As it seems Razat is not aware of just how many other nations either in the UN or out of it might not live on earth and thus not want earth trash or any other dumped in their back yards...

I disagree that technological differences are a problem. Indeed, Cobdenia (whom, as you all know, is currently in 1931) has implemented such a programme, codenamed "Martin", which makes the most of Cobdenia's mastery of steam power and is a technological won...it's a giant catapult, okay?
It's first test flight failed, however, two weeks ago we succesfully landed three thousand tons of waste on Poland.

REALIZING that garbage is a waste of space on Earth and can be severely harmful to the environment;True.

NOTING that nobody wants to live near a dump or landfill;Don't generalize. It's true, but it's bad form and irrelevant anyway.

REQUESTING that more highly industrialized nations assist others in developing the appropriate programs and technologies;
Should be "URGE".

CALLS UPON the international community to launch trash that is neither recyclable nor reusable nor safely biodegradable into Outer Space.Unfeasible and expensive. Bad proposal, sorry, mate.

NOTING that nobody wants to live near a dump or landfill;

I beg to differ. The idea of having landfills really tickles my fancy. I say Texas needs more hills! Flat golf courses aren't much fun at all. And if they are going to make artificial hills anyway might as well fill it with trash! It's a win-win situation...

REALIZING that garbage is a waste of space on Earth and can be severely harmful to the environment;

A great many things are harmful to the environment. Including Mother Nature. I'm guessing we might be against firing her into space.

NOTING that nobody wants to live near a dump or landfill;

Others have covered this better than I could.

WHEREAS every square inch of space used for garbage dumping is one square inch of space less that can be used for habitation, agrigulture, and wildlife conservation.

Not necessarily. Old landfill sites can be used for habitation by building on top of them. Agriculture and wildlife - well nature in almost any form - will take to almost any environment of you give it half a chance. Hell, some of us reside in the antarctic, and we're doing just fine down there.

REMEMBERING that the exponentially growing population of humans requires an increasing amount of physical space here on Earth;

Build up, not out. Reach for the stars with your tallest scrapers. Allow the people to dwell amongst the clouds. Trust me, the view is phenomenal up here.

REQUESTING that more highly industrialized nations assist others in developing the appropriate programs and technologies;

With what incentive? I suppose you are asking nicely enough, but that doesn't pay the tax man.

CALLS UPON the international community to launch trash that is neither recyclable nor reusable nor safely biodegradable into Outer Space.

So instead of cluttering up the land and water with plastic, we'll fill the air with toxic pollution from the daily garbage launches, to fill the universe with our refuse. Sure, why not, I always wanted to have cancer of the everything.

The Rogue Nation of Razat has no space program, nor the ability to create one in a reasonable time. However, we wouldn't object if a more advanced nation were to provide us with rockets, preferably nuclear powered ones, so we could launch our trash into space.The Hack has access to mass drivers that can easily send trash into the sun with no risk. Unlike "nuclear powered" rockets (why would anyone use nuclear power for them anyway? Solid-state fuel is better) which have chances of failure post-launch, the mass driver doesn't run that risk. For a... um... "reasonable"... fee, we could be convinced to rent out usage.

Of course, we wouldn't let you touch the thing, but I'm sure we could reach an arrangement. You pay us to pick up your trash and then, for a "modest" fee, we launch it for you. For a "slight" surcharge, we won't ask too many questions about what's being launched.


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Doctor Denis Leary
Chief Shill to the UN
The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

The Hack has access to mass drivers that can easily send trash into the sun with no risk.
No risk, you say? Had tons of problems with orbital perturbations from 'garbage tossing', "Doctor" Leary. Typical of thoughtless Earth scientists to pay no attention to permanent residents of Lagrange points, or shuttles and freighters we run between. "It's just great big empty space, da?" Spasebo, but we've heard it all before.

TANSTAAFL, Mister Ambassador. Everything has consequences. UN people toss garbage at us, we toss rocks at you. We got lots of rocks. You got a steep gravity well. Think about it, cobber. Think hard.

Manuel Garcia O'Kelly Davis
Defense Minister,
The Centripetal Force of SkyFac TransOrbital

Typical of thoughtless Earth scientists to pay no attention to permanent residents of Lagrange points, or shuttles and freighters we run between.Typical space-going egoists to assume that just because we're on the planet that we have no idea what we're doing.

Everything has consequences. UN people toss garbage at us, we toss rocks at you. We got lots of rocks. You got a steep gravity well. Think about it, cobber. Think hard.And you can shove your threats right up your ass, skippy. Why don't you quit playing with your blaster long enough to fucking read what I wrote? We know exactly what's up and around us and plot courses based on that information. Why the fuck do you think we don't allow other people to use our equipment? It's not just for profit.

We send regular shipments to Mercury with no difficulty, and without hitting anything from other nations. Including backwater shitholes like yours. Don't make the mistake of assuming that your position in space makes you smarter, more advanced, or capable of issuing threats that will be taken seriously.

PS: I went to fucking medical school and earned my title. You can shove those snear quotes up there with your threats.


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Doctor Denis Leary
Ambassador to the UN
The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

Know too well how one-G field makes people cranky. Feet hurt, back hurt, all the time. Apologies to Doctor Leary.

Diatribe intended for all arrogant earthworm scientists, not just Hackian scientists. Assumption that spacers want to be surrounded by garbage offends me, offends orbital citizens in general.

Extend invitation to New Hampshire Jews' representative to fine dining in SkyFac null-G five star hotel. Perhaps they might learn error of their ways and withdraw this travesty.

Regardless, still have plenty of rocks.

Manuel Garcia O'Kelly Davis
Bureau of Tourism and Immigration,
The Centripetal Force of SkyFac TransOrbital

Diatribe intended for all arrogant earthworm scientists, not just Hackian scientists. Assumption that spacers want to be surrounded by garbage offends me, offends orbital citizens in general.I must apologise for the good doctor's outburst. He was hired for his acerbic attitude, but sometimes he goes a little too far.

To clarify: The Hack does not support littering our orbit with garbage. There's enough space-junk up there as leftovers from wars, to say nothing of the countless satellites spinning around up there. Some of our satellites even need to have small lasers on them just to cut a path through the rubbish.

Should, however, a nation wish to launch garbage out of the local neighborhood, specifically to that giant nuclear furnace, we would be willing to facilitate such activities. Of course, most of the drivers are corporate owned, hence the associated costs.

We know of two residents in/near the sun. We know the location of Absolute Light's archologies, and can time launches to avoid them (unlikely as it is that anything would survive long enough to be a threat). The Solar Giants, being sentient plasma, are unlikely to even notice any such "packages". Furthermore, our colony on Mercury has good relations (as good as one can have) with the giants, and would let us know if such practices caused distress.

Please don't assume that we're all -- to borrow from Dr. Leary's lexicon -- "ignorant backwater fucks". The Hack is a world leader in science and technology, and we do consider our surroundings. Again, we are strongly against simply chucking garbage into orbit.

Oh, and while it pains me to bang my shield with a sword, I would be remiss if I didn't point out that your threat of dropping rocks carries little weight (no pun intended). Just because we don't build nukes doesn't mean we are completely ignorant on how to defend ourselves. And in a world where nations are more than willing to use "ortillery", one learns how to defend oneself.


- Anesca PHALANX
Neural Network Administrator
The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

Again, we are strongly against simply chucking garbage into orbit.As are we and many here who live in this so called empty space this will turn into a trash dump. Thus we need to see to it that as this one stands now it doesn't get passed.

The idea of controled launches into a sun is perhaps the best but not without concerns and limits. As not all so called suns can handle some of the waste some worlds like so called earth might produce and dump on it. Thus these waste might create changes in these suns that effect the worlds around then as bad or worse than leaving all the dang trash were it was produced letting those who grew it chew on it.


Zarta Warden,
UN Ambassador Zeldon

Thus these waste might create changes in these suns that effect the worlds around then as bad or worse than leaving all the dang trash were it was produced letting those who grew it chew on it.Um... considering the relative size and potency of any true star, I wager you could probably throw an entire planet in without noticable effect.

- Anesca PHALANX
Neural Network Administrator
The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

Um... considering the relative size and potency of any true star, I wager you could probably throw an entire planet in without noticable effect.Considering the world we live in (NS) we still don't know all there is about every part of this (NS) world thus have a blind (RW) view of it. Even (RW) what we do know or think we know there is always some where/place it don't work just like we think it does in any world (RW or NS)... as we continue to learn new things about our world all the time..

Considering the world we live in (NS) we still don't know all there is about every part of this (NS) world thus have a blind (RW) view of it. Even (RW) what we do know or think we know there is always some where/place it don't work just like we think it does in any world (RW or NS)... as we continue to learn new things about our world all the time..

Also, given the number of nations with planet-sized populations, it's possible that the amount of garbage might mass more than some entire planets. :)

Although I'm not in the UN, I want to say that I'm against space-trash. Unlike some space nations, my region is based in the outer part of this solar system, and some of the nations have shipping in the inner part. Any nation that carelessly shoots their trash into space without caring where it goes (and you know some will) will affect our space traffic.

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I was wondering the same thing... :confused:

The People's Republic of Mossada is a small nation. We don't have enough space to give it to land fills and dump yards.
I would vote for this.


-Office of the President of Mossada.

OOC: This whole thread reminds me that not many of you are old enough to have watched Space: 1999 as a kid. :(

OOC: This whole thread reminds me that not many of you are old enough to have watched Space: 1999 as a kid. :(

OOC: Bah! I can do two years better! 2001: A Space Odessey!





sorry...

OOC: Bah! I can do two years better! 2001: A Space Odessey!





sorry...

OOC: But that didn't have the giant space baggies... :p

'Propserina', one of the other nations in the 'Conservative Paradise' region (OOC: and another of my nations, although not conceptually linked to the Godwinnia/St Edmund group), is also located in the outer reaches of the Solar System and is also opposed to this proposal as it currently stands.

The People's Republic of Mossada is a small nation. We don't have enough space to give it to land fills and dump yards.
I would vote for this.
-Office of the President of Mossada.Thus as your nation is small you would most likely find the cost to shoot things into space is more than what it might cost to impliment better forms of getting rid of your trash on your planet rather than pay to have it shot into space.

As most nations who have trouble getting rid of trash probably have trouble getting into space. Then again maybe they need to devert some of those funds they spend trying to reach space into getting rid of the trash they produce.

As your nation is in a section of that space you would be willing to permit nations to dump trash into under this; you need to relook at how you support this. As many nations already have the ability to dump trillions of tons of trash near your world and this is their green light to do it. Thus the best thing is not to just dump it but find a safe means to dispose of it so that it don't fall back to haunt us years from now.

Zarta Warden,
UN Ambassador Zeldon