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Thanks to Forgottenlands and HotRodia and now to TelSurin I've issued the third draft of my future proposal. Advice is welcome, yet again (although I intend to propose it in the nearby future)

Subliminal Control Regulation

We define a subliminal message as a signal or message designed to passbelow the normal limits of perception.

The following shall be considered subliminal and shall be subjected to the laws presented in this document.

-any image or movie containing hidden visual or audio messages, imperceptible at a first glance, or imperceptible in a conscious state of mind. This includes publicity ads of written and broadcasted form.

-any media material which can cause a drastic change in behaviour (such as aggressiveness or passivity) due to prolonged exposure. Although this does not fall under the term "subliminal message" it can be used a subliminal persuasion method.

-any press material or publicity material that manages to manipulate the reader without using the subject of the article or material as a persuasive technique. Example : If an article read between the lines or words (following a strict pattern, not randomly) can build an intelligible message (ambiguous messages can be considered accidents) , mainly publicity or propagandistic,this should be considered subliminal messaging. This does not
apply to belletristic writting, and does not outlaw general text interpretation.

-any broadcast, video or audio, of signals that reach beyond the general senses of the dominant species (extremely fast images or ultra-sounds) and can affect one's behaviour.

-any publicity material hidden under harmless media. The ways in which it can be hidden are multiple : from unperceptible images or sounds to visible information which can not be recorded by normal perception due to the brain's normal capacity of direct focusing on subject. (Example : While you are focusing on the main character of a children movie, your
brain will unconsciously record the details of the surrounding area).

-any goods such as clothing, alimentary products, digital or analog accesories, produced in UN countries that contain a barely or unconsciously perceptible message will fall under the label of "subliminal propaganda or publicity".


A country shall not be able to drastically modify or interpret this definition,to prevent the abuse of power. The following shall apply :


1.Subliminal messaging, with a publicity, propagandistic or prohibitive purpose is strictly forbidden. This includes the military development area. Propaganda (such as election propaganda) is allowed, as long as it's being done on a conscious level.

2.Subliminal Message Control Authorities should be founded in each country, to prevent abuse or derogation from the above law. These organisms should be state-controlled and inspected periodically. All regimes should apply the law exactly as it is, thus preventing it to become a political manipulation method. The members of these organisms should have advanced qualificationsand should cover a wide variety of domains such as :
physics, psychology,advertising or public relations.

3.The attributions of the authorities presented above should be the next :
a)Resolving any requests or reclamations coming from citizens subjected to subliminal propaganda \ publicity who managed to realise they were manipulated.
b) Detecting any subliminal material and not allowing it to spread. Since the constant check of materials such as broadcasts or audio materials would be against the freedom of expression, these materials should be checked at irregular intervals or based on the citizen reports.Decoding devices may be used for frame-rate analysis of videos or high definition analysis of video materials.
c) The only legal measures these organisms could take against derrogators should be the making of a complete file of the institution\person responsible for using subliminal means for non-entertainment, legal purpouses. They will be able to notify the local federal enforcement agency, but not directly intervene.
d)Legalizing harmless subliminal message products (such as optical illusions or any material which does not serve a direct purpose other than entertainment and does not cause seizures or other afflictions)

4. In case the material in cause clearly has a tag stating that it's supposed to have a harmless subliminal effect with entertainment purposes (optical illusions, some meditation music material and others), tag which should be legalized at the Subliminal Message Control Authority, it will fall off the jurisdiction of the first law.

I've got a puzzle for you, I'm going to say five words, you figure out the order they belong in.

the business. UN's of None

Timothy Schmidt
UN Rep. (pro-tem)/Bob Flibble's PA

This is a future UN resolution. Instead of filling the resolution form with ideas which are going to be immediately rejected, at least I could have some support on this. I could also see if it falls under any already existing UN reglementation.

This is a future UN resolution. Instead of filling the resolution form with ideas which are going to be immediately rejected, at least I could have some support on this. I could also see if it falls under any already existing UN reglementation.

It's not a Resolution unless ~ 130 Delegates approve it.

Support comes from people who like the idea and think it belongs in the UN.

This is micromanagement to a very extreme level and it is much, much, much too restrictive. There would be a lot of collateral damage done by this. I don't have the time or interest to go into it, but I'm sure someone else will, so give it a while.

This is also the third proposal idea I've seen put forth by you in a day.

Slow down.

Work on one at a time or nothing will get done. Neatly, anyway.

I've mentioned it will be my final proposal for this period.

It's not a resolution indeed, it's a proposal. I'll modify the mistaken words :)

As unlikley as it might be, I need editing help. This next resolution is way to big to fit in and it also has redudant arguments that need to be eliminated. I already spotted a way to eliminate a large part of the "Disambiguation scheme", but it is still not enough. Any help will be appreciated.

That's good. Appreciate away.

Just as a side note, Tactical Grace's "Freedom of Choice" resolution already dealt with subliminal messages, in a simple, elegant, and ironic way, no less.

Subliminal Control Reglementation

Are you trying to be obtuse with the title?

We define a subliminal message as a signal or message designed to pass below the normal limits of perception. This definition includes a wide variety of media material and a brief cover of this media material will be presented in the next disambiguation note.

Try using the word "following" instead of "next". And try "description" in place of "cover".

Disambiguation : The next means of manipulation or publicity should be considered subliminal and should be subjected to the laws presented in this document.

-any image or movie containing hidden visual or audio messages, imperceptible at a first glance, or imperceptible in a conscious state of mind. This includes publicity adds of written and broadcasted form.

-any media material which can cause a drastic change in behaviour (such as aggressiveness or passivity) due to prolonged exposure. Although this does not fall under the term "subliminal message" it can be used a subliminal persuasion method.

-any press material or publicity material that manages to manipulate the reader without using the subject of the article or material as a persuasive technique. Example : If an article read between the lines or words (following a strict pattern, not randomly) can build an intelligible message (ambiguous messages can be considered accidents) , mainly publicity or propagandistic, this should be considered subliminal messaging.

-any broadcast, video or audio, of signals that reach beyond human senses (extremely fast images or ultra-sounds) and can affect one's behaviour.

-any propagandistic or publicity material hidden under harmless media. The ways in which it can be hidden are multiple : from unperceptible images or sounds to visible information which can not be recorded by normal perception due to the brain's normal capacity of direct focusing on subject. (Example : While you are focusing on the main character of a children movie, your brain will unconsciously record the details of the surrounding area).

-any good produced in UN countries that contains a barely or unconsciously perceptible message will fall unde the label of "subliminal propaganda or publicity" although it does not qualify as being media.

Not much disambiguation going on there. And your "unde" needs an "r".


Although this definition is far from complete, a country shall not be able to drastically modify or interpret this disambiguation note, unless it's approved on a UN level ,to prevent abuse of power.

1. Where is the mechanism for the UN to approve a nation's interpretation of these laws?

2. That won't prevent abuse of power, and may piss people off.

The next regulations should be applied in all UN member states.

Redundant line. Strike it.

1.Subliminal messaging, with a publicity, propagandistic or prohibitive purpose is strictly forbidden. This includes the military development area.

2.Subliminal Message Control Authorities should be founded in each country, to prevent abuse or derogation from the above law. These organisms should be state-controlled and occasionally controlled by the UN. Non-democratic regimes should apply the law exactly as it is, thus preventing it to become a political manipulation method. The members of these organisms should have advanced qualifications and should cover a wide variety of domains such as : physics, psychology,advertising or public relations.

Why only non-democratic regimes? Democracies can be quite oppressive and corrupt as well. They just don't have one single person to blame it on, usually.

3.The attributions of the authorities presented above should be the next :
a)Resolving any requests or reclamations coming from citizens subjected to subliminal propaganda \ publicity.
b) Detecting any subliminal material and not allowing it to spread. Since the constant check of materials such as broadcasts or audio materials would be against the freedom of expression, these materials should be checked randomly , at certain intervals or based on the citizen reports.Decoding devices may be used for frame-rate analysis of videos or high definition analysis of video materials.
c) Applying legal punishments should not fall under the jurisdiction of these organisms, but making a complete file of the institution \ person responsible for using subliminal media means should.
d)Legalizing harmless subliminal message products (such as optical illusions or any material which does not serve a direct purpose other than entertainment and does not cause seizures or other affections)

4.People affected by subliminal propaganda \ publicity should be eligible for free psychological treatment.

5. In case the material in cause clearly has a tag claiming that it's supposed to have a harmless subliminal effect with entertainment purposes, tag which should be legalized at the Subliminal Message Control Authority, it will fall of the jurisdiction of the first law.

Overall, needs some spacing work around punctuation marks and re-wording.

The use of such materials is a danger to the human being as a whole, not only to the citizens of a certain country.

The human being as a whole? There's just one human being? And what about non-humans? Think of the non-humans!

This resolution will be proposed by my kingdom, however, any country that provides editing help shall be mentioned ;)

On the whole, the proposal strikes me as a poorly-crafted series of not all that great messages. Ironic, no? I love it when that happens.

Your help is appreciated.

1.I mentioned the non-democratic regimes since most dictatorships in nationstates generally claim that my proposals are somehow trying to exclude them from the UN.

2.The title is variable, since this is only a draft.

3.Noted the "human beings" ambiguos expression. I'll try citizens of UN countries instead.

4.If the disambiguation note will disappear, the spacing will be great. However, there will be lots of messages with "expand the definition of subliminal".

5.The word replacements in the fist paragraph were noted.

6.About the last line - idea theft is a great art around these parts. As stupid or useless as you might consider a resolution, there will always be some to "inspire" from it.

Again, this is only a draft and nobody confines you to agree with the content, even if it was a final version.

As unlikley as it might be, I need editing help.

There are very few proposals these days that haven't spent a long time being vetted by the UN community at large - whether it be focus forums such as ACCEL, NSO, GTT, etc or general forums such as this and Reclaimation.

Suggesting that such a process is beneath you shows both your arrogance and your failure to understand how complex the UN is and the task that is passing a proposal. It is a significant undertaking to pass a proposal, you must be prepared to spend a lot of time on it.

This next proposal is way to big to fit in and it also has redudant arguments that need to be eliminated. I already spotted a way to eliminate a large part of the "Disambiguation scheme", but it is still not enough. Any help will be appreciated.

Of course

Subliminal Control Reglementation

Reglementation? Is that even a word? Dictionary.com says no. Got a source that says otherwise?

We define a subliminal message as a signal or message designed to pass below the normal limits of perception. This definition includes a wide variety of media material

Stop here. You further explain it in disambiguation, don't tell us you will because you don't have the luxury to waste those characters.

and a brief cover of this media material will be presented in the next disambiguation note.

Disambiguation : The next means of manipulation or publicity should be considered subliminal and should be subjected to the laws presented in this document.

Actually, strike that entire statement out.

The following shall be considered subliminal and should/shall(your choice) be subjected to the laws presented in this document

-any image or movie containing hidden visual or audio messages, imperceptible at a first glance, or imperceptible in a conscious state of mind. This includes publicity adds of written and broadcasted form.

adds -> ads

-any media material which can cause a drastic change in behaviour (such as aggressiveness or passivity) due to prolonged exposure. Although this does not fall under the term "subliminal message" it can be used a subliminal persuasion method.

No. Kill. Propoganda is not subliminal messaging and should be considered completely seperately. There's a lot of reasons for this, but the most important is every single political ad could.....qualify to meet this category resulting in just about every campaign ad (except for the party in power) to be pulled from the air. Just no.

-any press material or publicity material that manages to manipulate the reader without using the subject of the article or material as a persuasive technique. Example : If an article read between the lines or words (following a strict pattern, not randomly) can build an intelligible message (ambiguous messages can be considered accidents) , mainly publicity or propagandistic, this should be considered subliminal messaging.

"If you can absolutely misread this article or it can be interpreted in such a way that might make it a different message than what it's actually giving, it should be outlawed"

No. Every single GOOD English teacher will tell you that any good piece of literature will make you able to interpret several different things from the same item. The same is true from an article. If you have different past knowledge about something, you might see more depth into an article than what is there and make more connections that have absolutely nothing to do with the article at hand and it is because it is YOUR perception.

-any broadcast, video or audio, of signals that reach beyond human senses (extremely fast images or ultra-sounds) and can affect one's behaviour.

I was going to make a special comment but.....actually it might be best if we didn't throw in that wrench. A) There's already too many problems and B) it isn't necessarily a bad thing to pick an arbitrary starting point and one that's based upon a specific species is probably not a bad marker, especially since it is unquestionably the dominant species.

-any propagandistic or publicity material hidden under harmless media. The ways in which it can be hidden are multiple : from unperceptible images or sounds to visible information which can not be recorded by normal perception due to the brain's normal capacity of direct focusing on subject. (Example : While you are focusing on the main character of a children movie, your brain will unconsciously record the details of the surrounding area).

I've already said what I need to say about propoganda. Deal with it seperately.

-any good produced in UN countries that contains a barely or unconsciously perceptible message will fall unde the label of "subliminal propaganda or publicity" although it does not qualify as being media.

Define good

Although this definition is far from complete, a country shall not be able to drastically modify or interpret this disambiguation note, unless it's approved on a UN level ,to prevent abuse of power.

Calls for ammendments, illegal.

The next regulations should be applied in all UN member states.

MANDATES:

Amazing how much you can cut by doing that

1.Subliminal messaging, with a publicity, propagandistic or prohibitive purpose is strictly forbidden. This includes the military development area.

Against

2.Subliminal Message Control Authorities should be founded in each country, to prevent abuse or derogation from the above law. These organisms should be state-controlled and occasionally controlled by the UN.

UN ARMY: illegal. It can never be under the control of the UN

Non-democratic regimes should apply the law exactly as it is, thus preventing it to become a political manipulation method. The members of these organisms should have advanced qualifications and should cover a wide variety of domains such as : physics, psychology,advertising or public relations.

Democracy is irrelevant in this case. Drop the clause entirely. Your earlier issue dealt with voting so it becomes relevant to discuss democracy. This doesn't concern democracies vs dictatorships, it deals with media control.

3.The attributions of the authorities presented above should be the next :
a)Resolving any requests or reclamations coming from citizens subjected to subliminal propaganda \ publicity.
b) Detecting any subliminal material and not allowing it to spread. Since the constant check of materials such as broadcasts or audio materials would be against the freedom of expression, these materials should be checked randomly , at certain intervals or based on the citizen reports.Decoding devices may be used for frame-rate analysis of videos or high definition analysis of video materials.
c) Applying legal punishments should not fall under the jurisdiction of these organisms, but making a complete file of the institution \ person responsible for using subliminal media means should.
d)Legalizing harmless subliminal message products (such as optical illusions or any material which does not serve a direct purpose other than entertainment and does not cause seizures or other affections)

*groans* Basically, what we have here is another rubber stamp to all democracies that want to have a corrupt government.

4.People affected by subliminal propaganda \ publicity should be eligible for free psychological treatment.

LOL. I'm sorry, that's fucking hilarious.

5. In case the material in cause clearly has a tag claiming that it's supposed to have a harmless subliminal effect with entertainment purposes, tag which should be legalized at the Subliminal Message Control Authority, it will fall of the jurisdiction of the first law.

One would've thought that this had already been dealt with.

The use of such materials is a danger to the human being as a whole, not only to the citizens of a certain country.

The human being as a whole is a single individual, a single citizen.

That line doesn't make any sense

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

I only used the expression "as unlikely as that might be" because of the fact that my previous proposals have been subjected to debate, only after their addition.

Reglementation - another regional English word...will be supressed.

All the suggestions that you've made earlier will be held into account. The "human being" expression has already been cut out :).

I've actually chosen to follow all your advice, except for the propaganda means. I will define the concept of "subliminal propaganda", thus not interfereing with the idea of propaganda and free speech.

THE SECOND DRAFT WAS ISSUED. HELP IS STILL APRECIATED !

There is already a UN-mandated moratorium on subliminal advertising (courtesy of "Universal Freedom of Choice").

This seems like one extended piece of duplication.

I've checked the legislation suggested here. It does not establish any particular method of combating subliminal advertising, and it also fails to analyze the different aspects of subliminal materials.

I've checked the legislation suggested here. It does not establish any particular method of combating subliminal advertising, and it also fails to analyze the different aspects of subliminal materials.
Banning it seems a fairly good way of combating it.

Simply banning something will not prevent accidents. Even so, a clear distinction must be made between what should be considered subliminal messaging and what shouldn't.

Simply banning something will not prevent accidents. Even so, a clear distinction must be made between what should be considered subliminal messaging and what shouldn't.
Well, then this reads like an amendment. I think you'd have to repeal Resolution #53 before being more specific about subliminal advertising.

Well, then this reads like an amendment. I think you'd have to repeal Resolution #53 before being more specific about subliminal advertising.

It's not exactly an amendment since the measures taken against subliminal messages and the description and rtracking of such materials is only presented in this material.

Resolution 53 , "The Universal Freedom of Choice", states the next (among other facts which actually compose the main body of the resolution) :

"Description :
...Deeply disturbed that the practice of subliminal advertising appears to erode the fundamental human trait of free will, ...

...6) Declares a moratorium on the use of subliminal advertising pending independent internationally-coordinated research into its effects on the capacity of individuals and wider society to make rational decisions...."

It demands a wider attention and surveillance, without explaining or proposing an actual solution.

Any edits are mine, and will be marked as such...this is intended to clarify the intent and wording of the proposed bill.

Subliminal Control Regulation

We define a subliminal message as a signal or message designed to pass below the normal limits of perception.

The following shall be considered subliminal and shall be subjected to the laws presented in this document.
-any image or movie containing hidden visual or audio messages, imperceptible at a first glance, or imperceptible in a conscious state of mind. This includes publicity ads of written and broadcasted form.

Good so far.

-a material which can cause a drastic change in behaviour (such as aggressiveness or passivity) due to prolonged exposure. Although this does not fall under the term "subliminal message" it can be used a subliminal persuasion method, only if its purpouse is not clearly stated. (Elections or similar events propaganda are not a subject of this definition).

So it is legal to have subliminal messaging during election communications messages?

-any press material or publicity material that manages to manipulate the reader without using the subject of the article or material as a persuasive technique. Example : If an article read between the lines or words (following a strict pattern, not randomly) can build an intelligible message (ambiguous messages can be considered accidents) , mainly publicity or propagandistic, this should be considered subliminal messaging. This does not apply to belletristic writting, and does not outlaw general text interpretation.

So if reading an article in an unconventional pattern reveals a publicity message or series of propaganist directives, it will be defined as a subliminal message, unless said article has an election as its subject?

-any broadcast, video or audio, of signals that reach beyond the general senses of the dominant species (extremely fast images or ultra-sounds) and can affect one's behaviour.

-any publicity material hidden under harmless media. The ways in which it can be hidden are multiple : from unperceptible images or sounds to visible information which can not be recorded by normal perception due to the brain's normal capacity of direct focusing on subject. (Example : While you are focusing on the main character of a children movie, your brain will unconsciously record the details of the surrounding area).

This is directly in line with the commonly held definition of subliminal messaging.

-any goods such as clothing, alimentary products, digital or analog accesories, produced in UN countries that contain a barely or unconsciously perceptible message will fall under the label of "subliminal propaganda or publicity".

So I can ban my alphabet soup if I don't like what it spells?

A country shall not be able to drastically modify or interpret this definition,to prevent the abuse of power.

What I've seen so far of this bill allows subliminal messaging only where it affects the voting process, and also allows governments to petition to have articles banned on the basis that they are in contravention of this bill.

The following regulations shall apply to all UN members :

This happens whenever a UN bill is passed.

1.Subliminal messaging, with a publicity, propagandistic or prohibitive purpose is strictly forbidden. This includes the military development area. Propaganda is allowed, as long as it's being done on a conscious level.

This is in line with the stated purpose of this bill.

2.Subliminal Message Control Authorities should be founded in each country, to prevent abuse or derogation from the above law. These organissations should be state-controlled and occasionally controlled by the UN.

Under what circumstances will the UN assume control of a local SMCA?

(Edited)All regimes should apply the law exactly as it is, thus preventing it from becoming a method of manipulating local politics. Employees of these organisations should be highly educated in a wide variety of domains such as: physics, psychology,advertising or public relations.

Why physics?

(edit)3.The responsibilities of each SMCA are covered below:
a)Resolving any requests or reclamations coming from citizens subjected to subliminal propaganda \ publicity.

This should be changed to reflect that any citizen who is a victim of subliminal messaging is unlikely to realize it. However, citizens may be able to uncover subliminal messaging and come to the SMCA to report it.

b) Detecting any subliminal material and not allowing it to spread. Since the constant check of materials such as broadcasts or audio materials would be against the freedom of expression, these materials should be checked randomly at certain intervals or based on the citizen reports. Decoding devices may be used for frame-rate analysis of videos or high definition analysis of video materials.

I would personally be more comfortable with the phrase "at irregular intervals" rather than "randomly at certain intervals", but that's a very minor change.

(edited)c) The only legal measure the SMCA may take in the event of a contravention of this bill shall be the creation of a complete file of the institution\person responsible for using subliminal means for non-entertainment, legal purposes.

Why create the file and not notify local federal enforcement agency?

d)Legalizing harmless subliminal message products (such as optical illusions or any material which does not serve a direct purpose other than entertainment and does not cause seizures or other affections)

I'm reasonably sure that you meant afflictions rather than affections, otherwise this is in line with the stated purpose of the bill.

4. In case the material in cause clearly has a tag claiming that it's supposed to have a harmless subliminal effect with entertainment purposes, tag which should be legalized at the Subliminal Message Control Authority, it will fall of the jurisdiction of the first law.

I've read this repeatedly, and I haven't yet been able to understand it. Please clarify the purpose of this point.

The use of such materials is a danger to all the UN citizens, not only to the citizens of a certain country or regime.

This last point is not clear about what danger subliminal messages present, thus presenting a barely perceptible message. It is therefore in contravention of the very bill of which it is part.

Hope this helps bring the intention of this bill into focus.

Thank you for your support. A third draft has been issued, in which I've modified the following.

1.Eliminated election references, clearly stating that propaganda is allowed as long as it is done on a conscious level.

2.The grammar corrections were taken into account.

3.Added a brief explanation to the last law

4.Modified UN involvement and prohibitive measures capacity of the SMCA.

5.Physics - advanced subliminal messages can be hidden using extremly well crafted machinery and ideas. Example : The human eye has low fluid frame rate perception (the fps from which the human eyes percepts fluid images). This meas that any image inserted from a certain fps rate will not be perceptible by the human eye, but it may be recordable subconsciously. The detection should be made by personel licensede in Physics.


P.S : If at the end of the resolution I mention the three nations who helped with the editing, would that fall under any UN proposal post law ?

P.S : If at the end of the resolution I mention the three nations who helped with the editing, would that fall under any UN proposal post law ?
Yes. Branding. You really should read the Rules for UN Proposals (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465) thread. It's there for a reason.

Yes. Branding. You really should read the Rules for UN Proposals (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465) thread. It's there for a reason.

I read them after "the incident", but I only insisted on particular ones, since I didn't think I'd rejoin :)

Who would ever stoop No way to something that crazy to can weget people support to think an idea what one might like this want them to think...

Won't even bother answering to the specimen above.

If someone still has suggestions about shortening the resolution, please post.

...6) Declares a moratorium on the use of subliminal advertising pending independent internationally-coordinated research into its effects on the capacity of individuals and wider society to make rational decisions...."

It demands a wider attention and surveillance, without explaining or proposing an actual solution.Yes, but as I'm reading, it's effectively acting as a blocker.

By declaring a moratorium, it is banning subliminal messages until the UN decides one way or the other. The problem is, the way the NS UN works, there's not really a legal way to address that without Repealing. You'll either find yourself hitting a Duplication violation or a House of Cards violation.

I'm gonna need some convincing.

Yes, but as I'm reading, it's effectively acting as a blocker.

By declaring a moratorium, it is banning subliminal messages until the UN decides one way or the other. The problem is, the way the NS UN works, there's not really a legal way to address that without Repealing. You'll either find yourself hitting a Duplication violation or a House of Cards violation.

I'm gonna need some convincing.

1.The problem with this regulation is that it bans subliminal messages without defining or clasifing them.

2.I don't think I could repeal a regulation that adresses the issue "Freedom of choice". It would be somehow unecessary, since my resolution will only modify a single article of the initial resolution, article which is not that important to the whole.

3.Would it be alright if I integrated this resolution, regarded at a minimal level into a wider one ?

1.The problem with this regulation is that it bans subliminal messages without defining or clasifing them.True. That's a problem with plenty of (especially older) Resolutions. They still have to be worked around, though.

2.I don't think I could repeal a regulation that adresses the issue "Freedom of choice".No, probably not.

3.Would it be alright if I integrated this resolution, regarded at a minimal level into a wider one ?If you find a way to make it work... probably. I'd have to see the finished product, and probably consult with Fris.

Well, in that case, could you please close this thread ?

Thank you !

P.S : Is there any way to delete lodged messages ?