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The way I see it, gambling is not the true evil. Gambling is like a gun, or booze. It can be highly addictive or have a high potential of causing harm. Drunken husbands come home from bars and beat their wives or someone who just can't put his guns down accidentally hurts someone. With gambling, someone could end up putting themselves in the poor house...or worse, have a street bookey out to get him for not paying up for his bets.

The purpose of this law is to get our governments to control it's gambling industry so that gambling does not become a problem. Things such as setting an age limit, providing help for gambling addicts, create a gambling license to run a casino, and make private non-public games legal, or legalize public gambling without a license as long as 1/3 or more of the proceeds are for charity.

Also, it would be a good practice for casinos to take care of it's gamblers so that they will be able to come back and gamble more. That means no accepting possessions as collateral for bets and not letting them take out everything out of their bank accounts. This way, they will be coming back again after they earned a little more. Otherwise casino greed will turn to creating a drop in business due to clients becoming homeless.

Delegate of The Republic of Commishick,
GenQuake99

The way I see it, gambling is not the true evil. Gambling is like a gun, or booze. It can be highly addictive or have a high potential of causing harm. Drunken husbands come home from bars and beat their wives or someone who just can't put his guns down accidentally hurts someone. With gambling, someone could end up putting themselves in the poor house...or worse, have a street bookey out to get him for not paying up for his bets.

The purpose of this law is to get our governments to control it's gambling industry so that gambling does not become a problem. Things such as setting an age limit, providing help for gambling addicts, create a gambling license to run a casino, and make private non-public games legal, or legalize public gambling without a license as long as 1/3 or more of the proceeds are for charity.

Also, it would be a good practice for casinos to take care of it's gamblers so that they will be able to come back and gamble more. That means no accepting possessions as collateral for bets and not letting them take out everything out of their bank accounts. This way, they will be coming back again after they earned a little more. Otherwise casino greed will turn to creating a drop in business due to clients becoming homeless.

Delegate of The Republic of Commishick,
GenQuake99
The purpose of this law is to get our governments to control it's gambling industry so that gambling does not become a problem.

What law? This is an essay. You're making an argument, sure, but this isn't a Proposal yet. Draft something with operative clauses and less rhetoric, and we can discuss it.

Well, I know this is just rhetoric up above, but in the list of proposals is where I got my actual proposal. So far it's survived the deletion gnome as far it's called since there was 5 pages of proposals today and now it's down to 3 pages. Anyway, this is just the arguement behind the proposal. I figured if I put up a good arguement, I can get other delegates to approve of it faster. But if you wish to see the actual draft of the proposal, can do that, but it'd be easier if delegates review the drafts in play, wouldn't it?

Seriously, if you wish to see the draft here, just let me know and I can do a simple cut & paste.

Seriously, if you wish to see the draft here, just let me know and I can do a simple cut & paste.
Please do, it makes commenting on it so much easier.

Timothy Schmidt
UN Rep. (pro-tem)/Bob Flibble's PA

Restricted Gambling Rights
A resolution to legalize or outlaw gambling.


Category: Gambling
Legalize/Outlaw: Outlaw
Proposed by: Commishick

Description: AGREEMENT: Gambling is a corruption of our youth and those who are addicted to it need some type of help to over come it for the good of themselves.

OTHER NOTE: Gambling itself is not bad, but those who run is are what are bad. Street gambling facilities will end up resorting to volent crimes when someone is unable to pay up.

RESOLUTION:
1) Set an age restriction for gambling - all nations are responsible for selecting a respectable age limit in which they feel their youth are finally able to make a smart choice on gambling.

2) Create gambling addiction facilities where gamblers will be able to overcome their gambling addiction.

3) Casinos should turn away those who are really down on their luck due to the fact that if one gambles too much, it will be a long time until he will be back to gamble anymore. This is not compulsory, but would be a wise practice to have in casinos.

4) Have government licensed casinos so that the government can regulate how many gambling facilities are available. This making street gambling illegal.

5) Legalize private in home gambling and public gambling in which 1/3 or more of the proceeds goto a charity.

Approvals: 15 (Commishick, We can not hear you, Oblivion-Oathkeeper, Firebert, Cornflake Gremlins, Sardan, Putrid Limburger, McCreary, Kaihola, Hormigo, Wootelania, PowerHungryness, Nebuer haisoj, Uishtiek, Tillich)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 110 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sat Jul 15 2006

(status as of July 13, 2006...created July 11, 2006)

umm...after that trouble of giving you the official draft...any comments?

You see, the there have been three proposals that have achieved quarom and were legal that weren't drafted on ANY major UN forum in the past year. However, we see a post like this probably twice a week. We aren't interested in running out to approve a proposal when 99% of them will never make it unless we have reason to. Reason isn't in the argument you make here, reason is in whether we like what the proposal itself says. Have your essay, sure, but leave us your proposal. I'm very picky about which proposals I endorse, and I generally save it for ones that I really like or ones that I think are worthy of quarom but are in danger of missing.

Restricted Gambling Rights
A resolution to legalize or outlaw gambling.


Category: Gambling
Legalize/Outlaw: Outlaw
Proposed by: Commishick

Description: AGREEMENT: Gambling is a corruption of our youth and those who are addicted to it need some type of help to over come it for the good of themselves.

Agreed,

OTHER NOTE: Gambling itself is not bad, but those who run is are what are bad.

*dizzy* Huh?

Street gambling facilities will end up resorting to volent crimes when someone is unable to pay up.

Though they are often not legal facilities so that's kinda irrelevant. In fact, these places exist in societies that do and don't allow unlicensed gambling.

RESOLUTION:
1) Set an age restriction for gambling - all nations are responsible for selecting a respectable age limit in which they feel their youth are finally able to make a smart choice on gambling.

If nations will make their own decision, why have the clause?

2) Create gambling addiction facilities where gamblers will be able to overcome their gambling addiction.

Agreed

3) Casinos should turn away those who are really down on their luck due to the fact that if one gambles too much, it will be a long time until he will be back to gamble anymore. This is not compulsory, but would be a wise practice to have in casinos.

......Define down on their luck. Problem is that casinos have several games where their odds are absolutely astonishing. In all forms of gambling, all players will combine to a net loss, so a person could be absolutely destroyed and their luck is right where it should be.

4) Have government licensed casinos so that the government can regulate how many gambling facilities are available. This making street gambling illegal.

Street gambling often doesn't stop because it's illegal.

5) Legalize private in home gambling and public gambling in which 1/3 or more of the proceeds goto a charity.

Do 1/3 of the proceeds of the private gambling games go to charity, or is that just for the public gambling events?

Approvals: 15 (Commishick, We can not hear you, Oblivion-Oathkeeper, Firebert, Cornflake Gremlins, Sardan, Putrid Limburger, McCreary, Kaihola, Hormigo, Wootelania, PowerHungryness, Nebuer haisoj, Uishtiek, Tillich)

Firebert is the only name I recognize ..... well, aside from yours

Status: Lacking Support (requires 110 more approvals)

I don't doubt it.

Voting Ends: Sat Jul 15 2006

Doomed this round

(status as of July 13, 2006...created July 11, 2006)

Heh

Restricted Gambling Rights
A resolution to legalize or outlaw gambling.


Category: Gambling
Legalize/Outlaw: Outlaw
Proposed by: Commishick

Description: AGREEMENT: Gambling is a corruption of our youth and those who are addicted to it need some type of help to over come it for the good of themselves.

OTHER NOTE: Gambling itself is not bad, but those who run is are what are bad. Street gambling facilities will end up resorting to volent crimes when someone is unable to pay up.p
Can't see why the UN should deal with this as opposed to individual nations through their own laws and police, but I'll keep reading.

RESOLUTION:
1) Set an age restriction for gambling - all nations are responsible for selecting a respectable age limit in which they feel their youth are finally able to make a smart choice on gambling.
We feel once a young person is earning his/her own money, they are free to spend it any way they want, legally of course. I do admire the fact you didn't put a spacific age in here though :).

2) Create gambling addiction facilities where gamblers will be able to overcome their gambling addiction.
No problem with that, though it would probably be better if the addicted gamblers set them up themselves. Less government interference that way, not to mention the taxpayers bleating about wasting their money on addicts.

3) Casinos should turn away those who are really down on their luck due to the fact that if one gambles too much, it will be a long time until he will be back to gamble anymore. This is not compulsory, but would be a wise practice to have in casinos.
Umm, how are they going to do that. Wallet checks at the door, or does every potential gambler have to bring a bank statement to prove they have the money to gamble. This clause is a bit problematic.

4) Have government licensed casinos so that the government can regulate how many gambling facilities are available. This making street gambling illegal.
No problem with the first part of this clause, but why do nations have to make street gambling illegal?

5) Legalize private in home gambling and public gambling in which 1/3 or more of the proceeds goto a charity.
Ermm, no, don't like this at all. Again, how is this going to be policed? How will the state know about every poker game in every home across our nation to ensure the charity money is collected. Way too difficult to monitor and police, plus you have written "a charity". Which one and what about all the others?

Overall, I don't support this proposal because I believe gambling is a strictly internal affair of individual nations. There are no human rights or cross border concerns to consider with this issue.

Panyer
The Preservers
Witchcliff representative to the UN

OK, I guess there were some flaws I did not quite catch in it with the wording.

Clarifications for new possible draft:

Age Limitation
1) I left the age limit open since it is best to give every nation a choice in when they feel their youth is legal to gamble. The reason I added this clause was because of kids hitting roulette tables at a young age. If they are not working, then they are simply betting money that was either given to them by parents or others, or stolen from someone.

Addiction Centers
2) Sure it will possibly cost tax payers money, but the way I see it, it could be funded in more ways than just tax payer money.
Option 1: Addicts pay for the course (but what if they ruined themselves already? Then they don't have to worry much about gambling by then right? nothing to bet but themselves?)
Option 2: Use the money taken from having to pay for a gambling center's license which is payed for annually to fund the addiction centers.
Option 3: Have the people pay for it in tax money
Option 4: Do any combination of the three options

Non-Compulsory/Compulsory Casino Policies
3) OK, maybe it would be impossible to tell how much of their bank accounts they are getting into. But if they are getting it out of an ATM machine, it is possible to limit the ATMs to only allow to withdrawl so much out of a specific account per day.

Illegalize Street Gambling/License Casinos Industries
4) Street gambling involves such things as "Book keeping", which is a gambling setup where a guy takes down bets on certain sporting events and then collects on the losses and pays up to the winners. When a person who lost the bet is unable to pay, more than likely the "book keeper" will resort to murder or assault in order to bring upon their own form of justice.

Private Gambling/Charity Gambling
5) Private gambling that is closed off to specific players is legal. But public gambling events without a gambling license are legal IF 1/3 of the proceeds goto a (government recognized/licensed/registered/accepted) charity.


I know it may seem that this is not exactly a International thing either, but when you have your tourists traveling across the borders, going off to gamble since it's widely accepted there, and then turn up being victimized by assault or murder, then there would be an international conflict.

I have to agree with the representative rom Witchcliff. This is something that should be handled at the local or state/province level, or possibly the national level. I see no reason for the NSUN to be legislating on the subject.

Travilia T. Thwerdock
Ambassador (pro tem) to the United Nations

We feel this is a subject for national legislation, not the UN.

Perhaps something on cracking international criminal gambling rings would be more appropriate?

Firebert is the only name I recognize ..... well, aside from yoursYeah, but it's not a very good commando name.

Gambling is an inherent part of the culture of nations such as Dashanzi. If such activity is causing strain in other nations, I suggest that a strengthening of social networks and support tailored to the national character is the best policy, rather than a one-size-fits-all UN resolution.

Firebert is the only name I recognize ..... well, aside from yours

'Kaihola' is the current delegate for the [quite large] region of 'Europe': They've approved several proposals recently...

Firebert always approves anti-gambling proposals.

I would completely oppose this as it would actually force Kivisto to legaslize gambling in the first place.

I know it may seem that this is not exactly a International thing either, but when you have your tourists traveling across the borders, going off to gamble since it's widely accepted there, and then turn up being victimized by assault or murder, then there would be an international conflict.

Yeah, but see, assault and murder are already illegal. It doesn't matter what gambling had to do with it.