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The glorious moderators rules for posting proposals are ambiguous at best, and as such I am trying to clear up exactly what constitutes a branding violation.

The entry for 'Dranding Violation is the following:


Limited branding is allowed. "Limited" means that you may list one co-author by nation name only. Example:

"Co-authored by The Most Glorious Hack"

Further branding will result in the Proposal being deleted. Don't list everyone who posted in the thread for your draft, don't list yourself, don't list your Minister Of Making Proposals, and don't post the 'pre-title' of the co-author (ie: "The Republic Of...").

I recently posted a perhaps not very well written repeal of an existing proposal, I didn't list any co-authour, it didn't mention any other states, and it didn't mention a minister of making proposals. I did try and RP it as much as possible, such that I mentioned that the proposal was being submitted to the UN by the Bulgovnian ambassador, but ambassadors don't legislate or even draft legislation, however ambassodors do deal with the UN so it would be they who submitted any proposal. Is this zealous moderation or is there some unwritten rule wich I am missing?

Usually you are allowed to list one co-author or other very brief line of recognition. You cannot say "The Bulgovnian abassador to the UN submits this repeal on behalf of the people of Bulgovnia" or anything of that sort. It's difficult to say what got your proposal deleted without reading it, but it's probably something to do with that. This is a noteworthy point that you have brought up, and should probably be clarified by expanding the Branding section of the NSUN Rules sticky.

The glorious moderators rules for posting proposals are ambiguous at best, and as such I am trying to clear up exactly what constitutes a branding violation.They can be awkward to understand for a newbie :)

I recently posted a perhaps not very well written repeal of an existing proposal, I didn't list any co-authour, it didn't mention any other states, and it didn't mention a minister of making proposals. I did try and RP it as much as possible, such that I mentioned that the proposal was being submitted to the UN by the Bulgovnian ambassador, but ambassadors don't legislate or even draft legislation, however ambassodors do deal with the UN so it would be they who submitted any proposal. Is this zealous moderation or is there some unwritten rule wich I am missing?Branding has been explained already thanks to Fishyguy.

I guess the best advice is to post a draft on here, most of us regulars will be more than willing to help, as long as you don't get too offended by our critique. You seem willing to learn, so you might do well here :)

I did try and RP it as much as possible, such that I mentioned that the proposal was being submitted to the UN by the Bulgovnian ambassadorLimited branding is allowed. "Limited" means that you may list one co-author by nation name only. Example:

"Co-authored by The Most Glorious Hack"

Further branding will result in the Proposal being deleted. Don't list everyone who posted in the thread for your draft, don't list yourself, don't list your Minister Of Making Proposals, and don't post the 'pre-title' of the co-author (ie: "The Republic Of...").Seems pretty clear cut to me.

It was somewhat ambiguous, and I will be more careful next time, but I did not mention a minister of making proposals as I clarified in my first post. I think you should have read it more carefully before deleting it.

Thing is, any reference to people is branding, any reference to RP is MetaGaming.

However, if you want to have an RP bit behind your proposal, you could post it in the thread. I think this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=489873) is a reasonable way of doing it: I mentioned who wrote it in the first post, but not in the proposal itself (inside the quote boxes), so it was legal.

Referencing specific individuals in all realms is illegal. Period. If its in your nation or related to your nation or whatever, it's branding. If it isn't related to your nation but is still within the game, it's metagaming. If it isn't within the game, it is RL reference.

They merely make an exception to a single co-author to give a nod to another player that provided an important amount of assistance to your proposal. Your name is already shown in the author section, it doesn't need to be displayed again.

Referencing specific individuals in all realms is illegal. Period. If its in your nation or related to your nation or whatever, it's branding. If it isn't related to your nation but is still within the game, it's metagaming. If it isn't within the game, it is RL reference.

They merely make an exception to a single co-author to give a nod to another player that provided an important amount of assistance to your proposal. Your name is already shown in the author section, it doesn't need to be displayed again.

Damn, so my "Ban Forgottenlands" proposal is right out. Bugger all. :p

Damn, so my "Ban Forgottenlands" proposal is right out. Bugger all. :p

Damnit, so's my "Ban Cluichstan" one...

-sigh-





And yeah, Bulgovnia, it's not literally a "Minister of Making Proposals" it's just a humorous way of saying "Don't write any names."

I think you should have read it more carefully before deleting it.Yeah, I didn't delete it, and I'll thank you to cease insulting my intelligence.

This seems to be a concept that numerous people don't understand. That list was a list of EXAMPLES. It was not all inclusive. I made the (aparently misguided) assumption that people would be able to realise that "Minister of Making Proposals" was a rather silly title that nobody would really use, and thus realise that all RP personas are right out.

For the love of God... do I need giant flaming letters explaining the concept of examples at the top of the rule-set?

For the love of God... do I need giant flaming letters explaining the concept of examples at the top of the rule-set?
Yes. And you should require all players to install this font (http://desktoppub.about.com/library/fonts/gifs/seaweedfireaoe.gif) so that the giant flaming letters will display properly.

Would cut-n-paste work?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Tindalos/Random/examples.jpg

Well, theres a reason instruction manuals for microwave ovens warn you not to put your head in there when you turn it on. Some people need to be told the obvious.

Hell, I've done it.

Well, theres a reason instruction manuals for microwave ovens warn you not to put your head in there when you turn it on. Some people need to be told the obvious.

Hell, I've done it.

Also there is the superman costume that says "Do not attempt to fly". I'd like to see the kid who is stupid enough to think he can fly but smart enough to check the label to see if he can.(that was all stolen from jerry sienfeld btw:D )

Also there is the superman costume that says "Do not attempt to fly". I'd like to see the kid who is stupid enough to think he can fly but smart enough to check the label to see if he can.(that was all stolen from jerry sienfeld btw:D )

Oh....it's not about whether the kid reads the label or not. I'd bet you that the guys at the factory don't give a shit about that kid - especially since its his stupidity that forced them to be putting that label on on the first place. The label's just there to cover their asses.

Oh I was not serious by the way I was joking.

Enough with the off-topic stuff.

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