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The United Nations…

NOTING that many individuals have served this body by offering their services,

ACKNOWLEDGING that without dedicated individuals serving as medical staff, diplomats, advisors, enforcers, legal counsels and peacekeepers, this body’s work would not be practicable,

RECOGNIZING that individuals have been killed while answering this body’s calls to duty, and that these individuals have made the ultimate sacrifice on the behalf of the world and its inhabitants,

HEREBY ESTABLISHES the United Nations Ultimate Service Memorial (UNUSM). The UNUSM shall comprise of

1) A physical monument in front of the United Nations building. This monument shall be the United Nations emblem carved out of black marble as a sphere and three-dimensional elements with an eternal flame set in a torch extending upwards from the sphere’s upper-most point. This monument shall be surrounded by a pool of water with fountains constantly flowing to symbolize the flow of life preserved by servants of the United Nations. A plaque will be set before the monument. The plaque shall read “Dulce et decorum est pro mundum mori”;

2) A memorial garden shall be planted around the physical memorial, where people may leave respectful offerings to honor the sacrifices of individuals who have died performing the United Nations work;

3) A research center that shall document and archive the names of all those who have died or gone missing in action from United Nations missions. The research center shall also work to document the work of the United Nations that has sent individuals into harm’s way, as well as the lives and stories of those who have made the ultimate sacrifice of their lives for the United Nations. Public exhibits will be displayed at the research center to educate visitors about individuals who have died for the United Nations, as well as the dangerous operations and works this body has carried out and is currently carrying out;

4) This memorial's construction and maintenance shall be paid for through a fund-raising campaign conducted by volunteers who shall approach businesses, governments, organizations, individuals and other bodies to solicit needed resources.

I feel that it is important to honor the memories of those who have given their lives by going into perilous situations to carry out the work of the United Nations. Without their answers to our calls of duty, we could not function.

Regardless of whether or not you support specific UN actions or not, it is clear that men and women who have died for us must be remembered. I urge you to support this proposal.

Currently, this is only a draft. Can someone please check my basic Latin translation for "Duclet et decorum est pro modum mori"? I mean to say that it is honorable and glorious to die for the world.

Any comments, criticisms or suggestions for this are welcomed.

Thank you!

I always thought the UN gnomes were immortal demi-gods.

The United Nations…

NOTING that many individuals have served this body by offering their services,OK.

ACKNOWLEDGING that without dedicated individuals serving as medical staff, diplomats, advisors, enforcers, legal counsels and peacekeepers, this body’s work would not be practicable,Since when to we have peacekeepers?

RECOGNIZING that individuals have been killed while answering this body’s calls to duty, and that these individuals have made the ultimate sacrifice on the behalf of their fellow humans,Not everyone in the UN is human.

HEREBY ESTABLISHES the United Nations Ultimate Service Memorial (UNUSM). The UNUSM shall comprise of

1) A physical monument in front of the United Nations building. This monument shall be the United Nations emblem carved out of black marble as a sphere and three-dimensional elements with an eternal flame set in a torch extending upwards from the sphere’s upper-most point. This monument shall be surrounded by a pool of water with fountains constantly flowing to symbolize the flow of life preserved by servants of the United Nations. A plaque will be set before the monument. The plaque shall read “Dulcet et decorum est pro mondum mori”;

2) A memorial garden shall be planted around the physical memorial, where people can leave respectful offerings to honor the sacrifices of individuals who have died performing the United Nations work;

3) A research center that shall document and archive the names of all those who have died or gone missing in action from United Nations missions. The research center shall also work to document the work of the United Nations that has sent men and women into harm’s way, as well as the lives and stories of those who have made the ultimate sacrifice of their lives for the United Nations.
I think your biggest problem is figuring out what category you can file this under because as far as I can tell none of them fit.

I always thought the UN gnomes were immortal demi-gods.Not according to Kenny.;)

Timothy Schmidt
UN Rep, pro tem/Bob Flibble's PA

OOC:

I think this is a really quite touching proposal and certainly one that I'd support. I'm not sure about what category it should be shoehorned into (strength Mild, of course), however.

Is it not 'dulce' rather than 'dulcet'? I'm judging this purely on Wilfred Owen's poem; I have no background in Latin.

Is it not 'dulce' rather than 'dulcet'? I'm judging this purely on Wilfred Owen's poem; I have no background in Latin.
No. "dulcet" is composed of "dulce" [sweet] and "et" [and]. It was used for reasons of scansion in Odes. Furthermore, in the Owen poem that quotes, it is "dulce et" anyway.

So I think the latin is correct.

Ah, cheers. So is it 'dulcet decorum...' or 'dulcet et decorum...'?

I am not a Latin expert, so I need help. If anyone out there spent enough time at Catholic school to pitch in, it would be greatly appreciated.

I added an article on fundraising to satisfy any concerns about the cost of this memorial.

Delegate Schmidt, regarding your concerns:

-We have had peacekeepers since Humanitarian Intervention was passed by a vote of 11,569 to 5,957 on Monday, February 14, 2005.

-Not everyone in the United Nations is human. However, the UN has never sent personnel into harm's way for the sake of dogs, cats or aliens as far as I know. Even environmental workers have made their ultimate sacrifice on the behalf of their fellow humans.

-Gnomes may or may not be immortal demi-gods. This proposal deals with any gnomes, humans or other individuals who may have lost their lives in the service of the UN. I will remove the words "fellow humans" and use "humanity" instead in the paragraph commending those who have answered the call to duty to be more accepting of non-human UN personnel.

-I would say that either "International Security" or "Social Justice" (in the sense of final justice and remembrance) are appropriate categories for this proposal. Anyone have a better idea?

-I would say that either "International Security" or "Social Justice" (in the sense of final justice and remembrance) are appropriate categories for this proposal.
Social Justice in this game means "A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare," and nothing else. This would most certainly not have that effect, so that choice is right out. It's also not "A resolution to improve world security by boosting police and military budgets," so that's no good either.

In my imagination, there is an office somewhere on the UN property that generates all the Statues, Parades, Holidays, and (pardon the expression) Fluff expenditures that all government organisations have to spend their time on. (Think of the three full-time staffers at the US Congress whose sole job is to raise and lower US flags that have "flown over Congress".) The NSUN SPHF Office is part of the Public Relations Office, has perhaps a minimal budget (or maybe a tip jar), but doesn't actually get involved in international legislation. Once a month or so, that office presents a list of projects and events to the General Assembly, which enters it into the official record and passes it by a voice vote.

This is the kind of feel-good low-budget thing that the RLUN does quite well, but can't really be done in the NSUN. If you want to RP the creation of such a monument, we have no problem with it. However, unless you can come up with a way for it to have an international effect beyond the fluff value, it's not gonna fly.

OOC:

Whew! It's been decades since those four years of high school Latin, so please take all this with two large grains of salt...

Seems to me the adjectives would be nominative case, so it should be "Dulcis et decor...." Mondum translates as "mountain." Mundus means "world." I haven't a clue what the proper ending would be, but, if I had to guess, the word should be mundum.

Hope someone who really knows Latin can help you out.

Delegate Schmidt, regarding your concerns:Whoa, I'm no delegate, I'm just trying not to screw up too bad while my boss is on vacation.

-We have had peacekeepers since Humanitarian Intervention was passed by a vote of 11,569 to 5,957 on Monday, February 14, 2005.Bullshit, the the Humanitarian Intervention resolution never mentions the word peacekeepers at all. Besides when I say thet the UN doesn't have peacekeeperrs, I'm referring to the rules (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465) which state Army, Police, SWAT, etc

The UN doesn't get an army. Nor does it get to form The World Police. This is pretty clear: don't do it.
Besided the few times that The Preternama Panel actually tried to intervene (or at least the few times anyone tried to RP intervention) they failed miserably.

-Not everyone in the United Nations is human. However, the UN has never sent personnel into harm's way for the sake of dogs, cats or aliens as far as I know. Even environmental workers have made their ultimate sacrifice on the behalf of their fellow humans.Actually I wasn't referring to dogs or cats (although there is a sentient cat who was last seen in the Stranger's Bar being catnapped by someone from Omigodtheykilledkenny) I was more referring to being along the lines of the dwarves of the Ausserland delegation.

-I would say that either "International Security" or "Social Justice" (in the sense of final justice and remembrance) are appropriate categories for this proposal. Anyone have a better idea?
I'd reply to this, but Fris beat me to it.

Timothy Schmidt
UN Rep. (pro tem)/Bob Flibble's PA

-Not everyone in the United Nations is human. However, the UN has never sent personnel into harm's way for the sake of dogs, cats or aliens as far as I know. Even environmental workers have made their ultimate sacrifice on the behalf of their fellow humans.


As the honorable representative of Flibbleites pointed out, the term "fellow humans" is inappropriate. And the tone of the response quoted above is insulting to the many people of sentient, non-human races who populate NSUN nations. If you want people to support your ideas, it would be smart not to sneer at them.

Travilia T. Thwerdock
Ambassador (pro tem) to the United Nations

We object to the concept as we do not feel that Lori Jiffjeff's contributions should be counted when our plan....er...um....wait......nevermind.

OOC: At the very farthest stretches of one's wanking of the rules, you could argue International Security. Argument: each nation would have to pay, say, 20 bucks to get their fallen heroes added the memorial which would be a military expenditure. It improves security because when you see the shear size of the monument trying to display names of the assissinated delegates and other casualties from the 30,000 odd nations that absolutely dwarfs the UN building, you'll go "oh shit, there are too many do-gooders in this world" and act as a deterrent for future wars.

.....

Yeah

Education & Creativity, Cultural Heritage?

Education & Creativity, Cultural Heritage?Maybe. I'd be more willing to sign off if there was a museum or some such tacked on. You know, look at the memorial and then go back inside the air conditioning and listen to some minimum wage git drone on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about what happened all those years ago in Whogivesafuckistan.

I mean, nothing says boring like "Cultural Heritage".

As far as I'm aware, "dulce et decorum" is correct, although I think it is sometimes rendered "dulc'et dercorum", or it could even be "dulce decorumque". However, I'd personally go for "dulce et decorum est". Mundus wise, it is mundum.

So, my take is "Dulce et decorum est pro mundum mori"

The Latin is now wrong.

I know this is a minor thing, but it's worth getting right. It should read "dulce et decorum est pro mundum mori". The only bit I'm unsure of is the ending of "mund-" (the stem is definitely with a "u", though). What case should it be?

Yes... latin... cute.

The United Nations is – just in case you missed it – incredibly large. And I fail to see why the citizens of my nation should honour people we haven't even heard of.

Samuel,
Assistant UN representative,
The Black New World

I will edit the proposal to make the research center more of a museum so that "Cultural Heritage" is an appropriate category.

I will change the Latin to "Dulce et decorum est pro mundum mori" for the time being.

I will change the wording to be more species-inclusive, especially as we feel sorry for disrespecting our good friends in Ausserland. We always thought you were a little short for humans.

To any and all nations who do not wish to honor those who have died for the UN, so be it. Don't contribute to the fundraising campaign and don't do anything for such heroes. However, please recognize that the UN should honor them, especially as they have died at this body's service.

I will edit the proposal to make the research center more of a museum so that "Cultural Heritage" is an appropriate category.

I will change the Latin to "Dulce et decorum est pro mundum mori" for the time being.

I will change the wording to be more species-inclusive, especially as we feel sorry for disrespecting our good friends in Ausserland. We always thought you were a little short for humans.

To any and all nations who do not wish to honor those who have died for the UN, so be it. Don't contribute to the fundraising campaign and don't do anything for such heroes. However, please recognize that the UN should honor them, especially as they have died at this body's service.

Your apparent disrespect -- obviously unintentional -- is forgiven. And you might look at things another way: we're a bit tall for halflings.

[OOC: Not to belabor the bit about Latin, but I'm really curious why the two adjectives wouldn't be nominative singular (dulcis and decor).]

Travilia T. Thwerdock
Ambassador (pro tem) to the United Nations

Oh dear did they. I must have missed that. Was this in the great NationStates war of 2003? Oh yes I remember that well when the army of the United Nations stood up against the Tyranny of the evil nations who think it's moral… not to… be in the UN…

Yeah that didn't happen.

So as nobody fought to defend my nation. Or – to my knowledge – the dubious sanctity of the UN I'm going to go ahead and not care. At all. About people I don't even know the existence of.

Or even people I do know the existence of because being a member of the UN does not make us allies. And a fair few nations may take issue with calling their enemies heroes.

Samuel,
Assistant UN representative,
The Black New World

OOC: Not to belabor the bit about Latin, but I'm really curious why the two adjectives wouldn't be nominative singular (dulcis and decor).
They are nominative single: neuter nominative single.

Neuter because that is the gender used for "...est" clauses.

We will only support this proposal if we are guaranteed that members of the Gruenber delegation are never included on the large list of fallen members. Seeing as the secretariat has ruled we aren't allowed to specifically mention individual nations, this assurance is impossible so we cannot support this proposal.

mundus declines like dominus:
mundus
munde
mundum
mundorum
mundis
mundis

mundus declines like dominus:
mundus
munde
mundum
mundorum
mundis
mundis
I know it does. However, "patria" is nominative, so it should be "mundus".

They are nominative single: neuter nominative single.

Neuter because that is the gender used for "...est" clauses.

OOC: S--t! I forgot all about gender. I told you it had been decades since high school Latin. Thanks. ;)

OOC: S--t! I forgot all about gender. I told you it had been decades since high school Latin. Thanks.My high school didn't offer Latin :(

My high school didn't offer Latin :(
OOC: Neither did mine.

I like the thought of this proposal, however all branding debate aside, it really shouldn't be a proposal. I mean, a UN Resolution is basically a law, a methodology by which the members operate and guidlines for their actions. Building a memorial really has no business being a law/guidline/methedology. This really belongs strictly RP, although that raises the question of how one does that too...

I have submitted this as a proposal. It now needs approval as a mild cultural heritage proposal.

I'm not brilliant enough to figure out how to get a good link to the proposal. Can someone smarter than me post one here?

Thanks!

www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal1/match=ultimate%20service

Hirota has a thread about making E-Z links somewhere; I think HotRodia is going to put it in a sticky.

www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal1/match=ultimate%20service

Hirota has a thread about making E-Z links somewhere; I think HotRodia is going to put it in a sticky.

He did. It's in his UN guide thread.

He did. It's in his UN guide thread.The UN Guide isn't completed; hence the "going to."

The UN Guide isn't completed; hence the "going to."

But the E-Z link bit is already there. :p

Thank you for all of your help. A telegram campaign will commence immediately.

If you want to send the telegram message to anyone you know, here it is:

Dear Delegate,

Tarmsden has submitted a proposal to establish a memorial honoring the lives that have been lost in carrying out its work. Regardless of whether one supports specific UN actions or not, the brave individuals who have sacrificed everything for this body must be honored. Please approve of the proposal here:

http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal1/match=ultimate%20service

Thank you for your time,

Tarmsden

I also think this kind of a campaign is a good idea, but did you check to see who approved your proposal, or did you just start sending telegrams? :p

Our Foreign Ministry has asked our regional delegate to add an approval.

I've also been asked to inform the author that His Royal Highness, Prince Leonhard, has announced that, if this proposal is adopted, the government of Ausserland will match any contributions to the building fund made by our citizens. So far, the Ausserland Society for the Preservation of History has pledged 2,000 tollens.

Travilia T. Thwerdock
Ambassador (pro tem) to the United Nations

I am sending telegrams to "yea" votes on the current resolution. Another nation has agreed to help with the "nay" campaign.

Tarmsden thanks Ausserland for its approval of this proposal and would like to call any nations interesting in aiding with the telegram campaign to please telegram Tarmsden.

Tarmsden will also offer 15,000 greenback-exchangers (approximately 500,000 U.S. dollars) as seed money for this memorial once it has been approved.