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Heh. What irony ...

Omigodtheykilledkenny
17-06-2006, 07:24
Individual Self-Determination (www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal1/match=determination)
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Hirota (www.nationstates,net/hirota)

Description: Believing every individual has the right to decide their own fate.

Believing no individual should be forced by any person or entity to prolong their own life past the point having any quality of life, if that person is suffering a terminal disease/severe injury and makes a clear, informed decision to end their life.

Mandates:

1: All persons of adult age or over may make the decision to refuse medical treatment for any reason, even if that decision will result in their own death. This includes the signing of DNR (do not resuscitate) orders. The state retains the right to quarantine any person carrying a dangerous communicable disease, and who refuses treatment until that person recovers, accepts treatment, dies naturally, or invokes right to die.

2: All individuals may write a living will stating their wish to invoke right to die in case of future terminal illness or severe accident that may render them incapable of making such wishes known at the time. Living wills may be cancelled or retracted, only by the individual named on them, at any time if the person changes their mind.

3: All persons of adult age or above can at any time invoke a right to die, assisted if necessary, and terminate their own lives if they are suffering a terminal or severe chronic disease or injury that will necessitate the long term use of strong drugs to control pain and/or dependence on others for personal care.

4: Any person who is incapable of making a right to die decision due to their medical condition, but has a living will, must have that will honoured if the conditions in the will match their medical situation. Nations retain the right, and are encouraged to require, that several independent medical assessments by qualified doctors are made of the patient medical state before right to die is carried out.

5: No person may make a right to die decision for another person. Exceptions to this are medical personnel during triage, and parents/guardians of children or adults mentally incapable of making such decisions. In the case of parents/guardians, a nation is strongly encouraged to require that the right to die request go through their legal system to ensure the decision is being made in the best interests of the patient only.

6: No medical professionals may be forced to participate in any form of right to die if it goes against their personal or ethical beliefs. No medical professional may be hindered or prevented from participating in any form of right to die if they agree to be involved.

7: Methods used for right to die must be as humane, painless and fast acting as possible. Starvation, for example, is not permitted.

Approvals: 82 (Laurinians, Kaihola, Djibouti25, The Derrak Quadrant, ElJefe, Shoup A Dupe, SPASTIC COLON, Desert Storm Iraq, Apachah, 5164-954, 1337 Nation Stealers, Ellenburg, The New Inquisitors, Furious Wang, Jovic, Taichinan, Ceorana, Forgottenlands UN, Tskllandia, Firebert, New Hamilton, Rasla, Santa Matilda, Verjnuarmu, Twilight Union, Gringotenango, The Generic Land Mass, The Skitz, Purcisa, Zaibatsu0, Centralis, Fauck, Kaljamaha, Erehwon Forest, Darpatia, Anarcorockers, Nag Ehgoeg, Cooleo as a child, Errinundera, The wererabbit, Henrilandia, The Great Bud, Accrammia, Nominee, Lollipalooza, Former Roman Provinces, Proteani, Kunkindo, Child Care Workers, Finklestadt, Rubina, Cloudy Verbage, Roslav, New Bagman, Blessil, Ashkevronia, Fenrir Wolf, Penguinlanden, Horitsukami, Dragoon Empire III, Maineiacs, Zasavje org, Arrianetta, Saurotan, The real DragonFyre, Kungpaomao, Frocks, Lower gage, Blackbird, Alkinodia, Wootelania, Jed Scott, Fryk, Square rootedness, Adolf Barham, OmnusOmega, De Ganja, Al Kassad, The Hall of Two Truths, Distortania, Elengwaith, Rakua)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 48 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sun Jun 18 2006.
Witchcliff
17-06-2006, 07:30
Kenny, I wrote that. Hirota submitted it for me because I didn't have the endorsements at the time. It is my work.

There is a thread on Reclamation in the New Legislation forum that explains why I drafted it in private.
Forgottenlands
17-06-2006, 08:25
Checking over the private draft thread, Hirota made zero contributions to the draft. He only offered to submit when it was determined the author could not submit due to lack of endorsements. It is an unfair claim to say this is either ironic or contradictory to Hirota's policy.
The Most Glorious Hack
17-06-2006, 08:35
I can see Kenny's point though. If he thinks all Proposals should be publically vetted, then he probably should have done public drafting for this before agreeing to submit it.

Even if it isn't his work, having courage in one's convictions forbids breaking the "rules" for friends or forummates.
Witchcliff
17-06-2006, 08:38
The private drafting decision was mine, and was made because I didn't want to go through the crap fest that surrounded CAR again. That was an emotional nightmare I never want to repeat. If it makes me a coward, so be it.

Another member of the forum I drafted it on did suggest I post it here, I decided not to.
The Most Glorious Hack
17-06-2006, 08:42
Nobody's speaking ill of you, Witchcliff. You weren't the one who made such a fuss that ALC was drafted behind "closed doors". Essentially, what it looks like is Hirota saying: "Only cowards draft on private forums, and it should never be done; unless I agree with the statement the Proposal is making."
Forgottenlands
17-06-2006, 08:44
I can see Kenny's point though. If he thinks all Proposals should be publically vetted, then he probably should have done public drafting for this before agreeing to submit it.

Even if it isn't his work, having courage in one's convictions forbids breaking the "rules" for friends or forummates.

Certainly, everyone will have formulated their own opinions on what this means in regards to Hirota's beliefs, however I think at least those opinions should be formed with all the facts in front of you. Personally, I think it means he puts generosity above his concern for the trend.
Witchcliff
17-06-2006, 08:45
Fair enough, I see your point, but Hirota only submitted it as a favour to me, nothing more. I guess it is because of that I don't want to see him cop any flack over this proposal.
HotRodia
17-06-2006, 08:46
Certainly, everyone will have formulated their own opinions on what this means in regards to Hirota's beliefs, however I think at least those opinions should be formed with all the facts in front of you. Personally, I think it means he puts generosity above his concern for the trend.

That's what I think too. Personally, I know I'm much more willing to break what I see as the rules for the sake of a friend's well-being than I am for my own.
Forgottenlands
17-06-2006, 08:46
unless I agree with the statement the Proposal is making."

He's complained to me about it before - on a proposal he supported as well (I think it was actually my ALC repeal). Another proposal he offered no revisions to, partly because it was drafted behind closed doors.
St Edmundan Antarctic
17-06-2006, 15:48
And that lack of public drafting has left a couple of wide loopholes in this proposal for any nations who want to continue blocking the practice of euthanasia within their jurisdictions to exploit _

4: Any person who is incapable of making a right to die decision due to their medical condition, but has a living will, must have that will honoured if the conditions in the will match their medical situation. Nations retain the right, and are encouraged to require, that several independent medical assessments by qualified doctors are made of the patient medical state before right to die is carried out.

Nations can set the value of "several" at the highest plausible definition of that term, and require that the medical assessements be rather lengthy too...

5: No person may make a right to die decision for another person. Exceptions to this are medical personnel during triage, and parents/guardians of children or adults mentally incapable of making such decisions. In the case of parents/guardians, a nation is strongly encouraged to require that the right to die request go through their legal system to ensure the decision is being made in the best interests of the patient only.

and legal delays...
Witchcliff
17-06-2006, 22:20
I'm not some newbie proposal writer who doesn't know about loopholes. I do know about those, and a couple of others you didn't mention.

They were left there deliberetly.
Forgottenlands
17-06-2006, 22:21
Kenny asked for this thread to be locked.

Let's let it die. We can debate the aspects and loopholes of the proposal seperately.