NationStates Jolt Archive

Catagory:gun control
Significance: significant

DESCRIPTION: a resolution to help the conviction of criminals.

NOTING: all pistols and rifles when they shoot a bullet leave a mark that shows which can then identify the gun that shot it.

REALALIZING: to have records of all the guns in the world helps officials a lot in the catching of a criminal.

OBSERVING: it has been tried before in various nations to record all the guns in that nation at once and is very inefficient.

OBSERVING: most of this cost is in collecting the guns.

BELEVING: it is more cost effective and a much better system to just register guns as they come out instead of collecting them.

MANDATING: all new pistols or rifles are tested.

MANDATING: that all untested guns entering any nation are tested before they enter the country.

MANDATING: 15 years after the implementation of this resolution that all guns must be tested no matter what.

MANDATING: All tests follow the next rules.
A) The gun is shot into a receptacle of adequate size that will not damage the bullet like cotton.
B ) All bullets then be tested by a ballistics professional who is fully qualified and who has access to the proper equipment.
C) All information be entered into a secure database to protect from hacking.

MANDATING: Any country that wants to impose stricter laws they are allowed to.

MANDATING: Results of such tests be shared with other member nations to help them catch criminals too.

I would like to say that I will of course change anything that may come up if important. I am very happy to receive comments and suggestions.

This is an international issue I believe because as an international issue it will be much more effective then if others do this nation by nation. The reason I believe this is that on a nation by nation basis it would be much more expensive because there would be a lot of overlapping testing and the nations that did not have these being much higher would make smuggling a lot easier.

Anyone who has seen the Canadian gun registry is probably thinking I am very wrong. But not at all I have looked into the Canadian gun registry and the problem with it is that politicians need results fast. The major reason it is way over budget and extremely costly is that they have to pay significantly high costs on collecting the guns. People who do not send there form properly etc. They are also giving at bonus’s to those who send in there forms. But under my system this would not be a cost because they are registered as they are made.

Also people will ask but criminals won’t register there guns. Maybe they won’t but first will all people know they are registered? Do you know every law in your country? Also most killings are not professional serial killers they are people like drugged up people who rob places to pay for drugs.(a lot don’t use masks so do you think they will think about what gun they are using) Or husbands who get angry at there wives I am sure you can think of more examples.

Anyway this other then just saying who did it can also say what guns did not do it limiting the search a lot.

PS: I am looking for a better name

In short, it's too easy to change the ballistics read of a gun to make this effective. One little scratch inside the barrel and it alters the patterns formed on the bullet.

As I said before though it is possible to get around the system that is not the point. Most murders are not planned out idea's that you look into throughly then do. How many people really think about that kind of thing when they are drunk and angry(for example) most crimes are not done by serial killers. Also a scrathing them if made too deep would make the gun faulty and too big the bullet would be about the same still.

Think about this people are caught by hairs they dropped(masks), gun powder residue(they never washed there hands), finger prints(gloves) all these things so think about how much they think about if there gun is registered.

Also as a side point it is easier to collect guns in the effect of new stricter gun laws.

Providing for the safety of the people is one of the central pillars on which the State rests. Violent crime is a key concern for many, and efforts to limit it are to be applauded.

However, a database of this nature is impossible and impractical. “Ballistic fingerprinting” is not effective, as any change to the firing mechanism of the weapon (either the extractor, which removes the round from the chamber, or the firing pin, which impacts the primer) will change the ballistic fingerprint. This type of change can be done by switching spare parts. Likewise, the rifling of the barrel can be changed through normal use. A weapon sold new will be unidentifiable within a few hundred rounds.

Furthermore, as the honored delegate from Newfoundcanada has already stated, most gun-crime is committed in advance, but in the heat of the moment. Forensic evidence left at the scene is often sufficient for conviction.

Recognizing that a database of this sort would be massively expensive and of minimal use in the detection or deterrence of crime (as witnessed by the State of Maryland in the United States) we would suggest that it would be tabled. Smaller nations could better use the funds to build an effective police force of a more traditional and effective nature, and larger nations could better use existing technologies to solve crimes.

Respectively,
Mark Sujereska
President, Republic of Sujereska
Delegate, Region of Irensaga

There is no such thing as "Significant" in the Gun Control category. This would appear to be "Tighten".

Anyway, strongly opposed. A nation's gun laws are their own business, so long as those guns don't cross borders. Once they do, I'm all for legislation on the subject - perhaps you could make this more international in focus.

I did drop it for other reasons I have not seen anything on scratching the barrel and cannot prove it either way. I need to find out this first but It is internationl because it is a much less effective process to do this if everyone is. Because you can serch all registered guns.

In short, it's too easy to change the ballistics read of a gun to make this effective. One little scratch inside the barrel and it alters the patterns formed on the bullet.To be fair, though, that tends to fuck up the gun. While you can alter the rifling in a barrel, it's not something you'd do if you wanted to use the gun repeatedly.

Of course, if you're just using it as a throw-away gun for a single crime, then you're all set.

Quite true, Hack. I was just running with the idea that people who are using their firearms for legal purposes probably aren't overly concerned with their ballistics being on record. Throwaway guns for crime, though....

C) All information be entered into a secure database to protect from hacking.We would like to know the full details of what information will be on this data bases other than possibly:
1) Weapons Type
2) Serieal Number
3) Balistics Results on this weapon

As to include any other information would mean this data base contains details on all militay weapons held by a nations military and possibly:

1) UNIT that weapon is assigned to
2) Location of said weapon therefore location of the unit

As nothing is secure from hacking if somebody really tried at it and wants to find out what is in it. Also bribes of persons who might have entry to this data would be possible so.... Hairy Citizen has bills to pay so he sales this data to the highest bidder then moves to new nation... as a rich person..

Also criminals could possibly breech the data and learn who has just a dog in the house or a gun.. then they know to take steak or wear a vest when they come to rob you..