NationStates Jolt Archive

Category: Recreational Drug Use
Decision: Legalize
Proposed by: New deleronix

Description: This resolution shall legalize ALL psychoactives in member nations

RECOGNIZING

a legitimate concern in public health effects of legalizing drugs

EMPHASIZING

that the right to not have your government tell you what to do with your body is indeed a CIVIL RIGHT

STRESSING

that gangs, mafias and drug cartels make large portions, if not all of their money, from the illegal drug market. Legalizing drugs would effectively eliminate that market for these criminals and put it into the hands of law-abiding citizens


FISCAL BENEFITS

nations would have the opportunity to tax and regulate a drug market, as well as would eliminate the need for drug control agencies, allowing law enforcement to focus upon violent crimes.

EFFECT UPON DRUG PRODUCING NATIONS

it would have an astounding economic effect upon nations in dire need of economic help which produce drugs.

PUBLIC HEALTH BENEFITS

intravenous drug users would no longer have the problem of finding clean needles, which would greatly decrease the number of HIV and AIDS infections, as well as the factor that legalizing drugs would allow the government to set purity guidelines and standards on use.
GENERAL GUIDELINES

1.No member nation will prohibit, or prevent drug sale, use, production, or purchase
2. All existing laws prohibiting such chemicals will be rendered NULL AND VOID
3. no laws shall prohibit paraphernalia such as syringes and pipes
4.nations SHALL be given the authority to prohibit use by "minors", HOWEVER shall not have a prison sentence for such use
5. NO MEMBER NATION shall prohibit or prevent manufacture/ growing of drugs by individuals, HOWEVER if it is distributed to several people, the government MAY, AT ITS OWN DISCRETION test for impurities, and effectively stop manufacture until it can be corrected.



I proposed this, it has (so far) 30 approvals from delegates, it must reach quota of 130 approvals by friday to come to a U.N. vote, please read carefully and make an informed decision when writing your Delegate-
thank you
-N.D.

Feedback Welcomed

This is a intranational issue and should not be dealt with by the UN.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Setting aside the obvious NatSov issues, it's got substantial problems; mainly that it cuts too deep. Jey's Proposal reached quorum and died on the floor and was far less objectionable.

You may not mind, but I'd just assume not have meth labs all over my nation. They have a nasty tendancy to explode if you aren't careful, and people whacked out on meth aren't my idea of people I want running the damn things.

Besides, the way I'm reading this, it would ban nations from stopping pharmacists selling pregnant women thalidomide.

"All drugs" is a bit wide, even for a nation like Gruenberg.

This is a intranational issue and should not be dealt with by the UN.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Grande Chihuahua agrees.

If the "advantages" of passing such a resolution are not "advantages" for every UN nation, we don't feel it is in the UN's place to make such a decision.

For example, the resolution mentions economic help. If a nation isn't in need of such economic boost, it doesn't need to legalize such a huge variety of formerly illegal substances, and potentially end up with a large majority of their people addicted to harmful drugs.

1.No member nation will prohibit, or prevent drug sale, use, production, or purchaseThis leaves no protection on any drugs that might do serious harm to people thus is to broad a statement. As nations still need to set some standards for these so called drugs to protect citizens from harm.. The same as they might for anything else they regulate..

2. All existing laws prohibiting such chemicals will be rendered NULL AND VOIDIf you want to kill yourself then do so but let us continue to live and not be exposed to drug abuse..

3. no laws shall prohibit paraphernalia such as syringes and pipesWe don't prohibit these items we just feel that they have a legit purpose of use and that's what they should only be used for..

4.nations SHALL be given the authority to prohibit use by "minors", HOWEVER shall not have a prison sentence for such useNo citizen of Zeldon under the age of 120 may take any drug without prior approval from a qualified medical doctor who is trained in the effects of drugs on persons.

Those who do obtain and use these without first getting cleared by a doctor are subject to certain laws.. and will be dealt with under these.

Those who distribute such drugs to citizens under age shall also be dealt with according to laws they may violate. This was just passed by our general assembly to offset this proposal if it should be passed.

5. NO MEMBER NATION shall prohibit or prevent manufacture/ growing of drugs by individuals, HOWEVER if it is distributed to several people, the government MAY, AT ITS OWN DISCRETION test for impurities, and effectively stop manufacture until it can be corrected..This part we like as we have found that most of these so called drugs have some impurities in them that can never be removed to meet the standards set by us. Thus they will under this remain prohibited from use until they clean them up enough to meet our standards for use by our citizens. As this has no set definition of an impurity we set those here... Over .000000000001% rat turd is one such impurity that will get a drug prohibited here.

that gangs, mafias and drug cartels make large portions, if not all of their money, from the illegal drug market. Legalizing drugs would effectively eliminate that market for these criminals and put it into the hands of law-abiding citizensHanging them when we catch them also eliminates the problem as they not only deal in drugs they deal in other issues we feel are just as illegal. To make this legal without some government controls on it means these gangs, mafias, and drug cartels will have a running start at market control.. should it become legal..

nations would have the opportunity to tax and regulate a drug market, as well as would eliminate the need for drug control agencies,So we can tax it and regulate it thus how can we eliminate drug control agencies that check things out here.

allowing law enforcement to focus upon violent crimes.we see a person who abused drugs and assaults, rapes, or kills somebody as committing a violent crime.. and our law enforcement will still be focused on those violent crimes..... you assault, rape to many times or kill once and you hang here... no more drug abuse by you....

First of all, it reasonably well written, for a newcomer nation.RECOGNIZING

a legitimate concern in public health effects of legalizing drugsOkay, so you recognise it, but what do you do about it? I don't see anything which actually improves public health.EMPHASIZING

that the right to not have your government tell you what to do with your body is indeed a CIVIL RIGHT I happen to agree with this. However, I happen to think that if what you do with your body harms others, you have crossed the line.STRESSING

that gangs, mafias and drug cartels make large portions, if not all of their money, from the illegal drug market. Legalizing drugs would effectively eliminate that market for these criminals and put it into the hands of law-abiding citizensThat's true, I suppose. But if it was not drugs, it would be guns, or something equally illegal, I suppose.FISCAL BENEFITS

nations would have the opportunity to tax and regulate a drug market, as well as would eliminate the need for drug control agencies, allowing law enforcement to focus upon violent crimes. Several problems with this premise.
1 - drug control agencies would still need to be present in a different form.
2 - I've seen several reports linking violent crime with drug use. Not just violent crime as a means to get the money to get drugs, but also the drug itself making people more violent.EFFECT UPON DRUG PRODUCING NATIONS

it would have an astounding economic effect upon nations in dire need of economic help which produce drugs.I imagined it would kill their economy. Prices will tumble if it's legal, drug making nations will not make as much money.PUBLIC HEALTH BENEFITS

intravenous drug users would no longer have the problem of finding clean needles, which would greatly decrease the number of HIV and AIDS infections, as well as the factor that legalizing drugs would allow the government to set purity guidelines and standards on use. I agree with the needles part. There is a loophole a size of a bus here though with purity guidelines and standards on use. My nation could say that drugs can only be used if the user is 2 miles below sea level, which would make it awkward.GENERAL GUIDELINES

1.No member nation will prohibit, or prevent drug sale, use, production, or purchase Which will have the effect of making overdoses so much easier, for a start.
2. All existing laws prohibiting such chemicals will be rendered NULL AND VOIDNOt sure this needs to be here.
3. no laws shall prohibit paraphernalia such as syringes and pipesFair enough.
4.nations SHALL be given the authority to prohibit use by "minors", HOWEVER shall not have a prison sentence for such use What about selling to minors? Arguably a greater crime.
5. NO MEMBER NATION shall prohibit or prevent manufacture/ growing of drugs by individuals, HOWEVER if it is distributed to several people, the government MAY, AT ITS OWN DISCRETION test for impurities, and effectively stop manufacture until it can be corrected.NOthing about having explosive risks in every DIY drugs factory?

MY biggest objection would be that the long term health impacts of many drugs could cripple a nation.

Isn't there already a resolution in force, from before St Edmund joined the UN, that deals with the 'needles' problem? One of Mikitivity's works?

Isn't there already a resolution in force, from before St Edmund joined the UN, that deals with the 'needles' problem? One of Mikitivity's works?

Yup: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7030205&postcount=68

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I would propose rewriting the legislation so that it only addresses a single drug like pot, for example. Start small. If you can get through the door with that, you might try a seperate legislation to allow cocaine and proceed from there. This kind of sweeping legislation is best accomplished in steps. How do you eat an elephant?

How do you eat an elephant?

Stewed, with potatoes and carrots.

Stewed, with potatoes and carrots.

Lovely. You left out the thyme. How many times have I told you to remember the thyme. I don't have thyme for this. The answer, of course, is one bite at a time (stewed or otherwise). Sheesh. Can someone please refill my peanut bowl?

Without the banning of such substances then there would be a very big increase in the amount of drugs and of overdoses.

RECOGNIZING

a legitimate concern in public health effects of legalizing drugs

Not to mention the cost in medical supplies to help such people.

EMPHASIZING

that the right to not have your government tell you what to do with your body is indeed a CIVIL RIGHT

yes it is a civil right not every civil right is allowed. speeding, going naked in the streets and drink and driving are also civil rights.

STRESSING

that gangs, mafias and drug cartels make large portions, if not all of their money, from the illegal drug market. Legalizing drugs would effectively eliminate that market for these criminals and put it into the hands of law-abiding citizens

Ya so we get rid of the mafia a bit and instead we have drugged up people killing others yay that sounds fun. The only difference is the mafia kill each other people on drugs kill random people.

FISCAL BENEFITS

nations would have the opportunity to tax and regulate a drug market, as well as would eliminate the need for drug control agencies, allowing law enforcement to focus upon violent crimes.

This is completly mislead there is no fiscal benifit. More pople doing drugs= higher health costs. Also more people are not working because they are drugged up or missed education because they where. Then you have lower taxs. More violent crimes from drugged up people. If you have the taxs on drugs to high then the mafia start selling them anyway runing the whole point of this.

I got lazy and stopped and this point :p

Stewed, with potatoes and carrots.
I prefer mine spit-roasted, the hard part is finding a big enough spit to use.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative