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If people don't like my diplomat being mindful and thinking of proposals that might be needed in the U.N then I will resign from the U.N if this is how member states react.

My diplomat got a few proposals wrong because there was already a proposal in place that wasn't noticed, or wasn't read carefully enough.

So if my nation and my diplomat is going to be restrained by the NSUN we will just pull out and join the numerous nations that don't recognize the NSUN.

However, this is done under anger and I will consider this for another 24 hours.

Signed President of Timor Leste Island.

I urge you to remain in the UN and help change it for the better. Criticism is simply the norm here. It's intended to help you on your path to being more effective in the UN, which is of benefit to you.

The UN is basically out of wack a lot of the time. My economy, my civil rights, my human rights, and my taxes would be better without it. It is a debating club. Try and change it for the better. I quit once and rejoined because it was seriously messing things up.

Cluich's post just now was a bit.....harsh. However, frustration is something that gets the better of many vets all to often. When we spend half our time sniping at each other's heals and the other half editing proposals we aren't necessarily bothered about but want to make sure it looks at least decent so we don't descend into the abysmal days of the first resolutions, your patience wears thin and you tend to explode. Sometimes it's at one another (for example: I blew up on Flibs just yesterday), sometimes it is at a newbie who didn't know any better. There are several UN vets who can't stand being on these forums due to the sheer regularity of our explosions and take their work elsewhere where they can work with like-minded individuals or just forums where the more snippy are not welcome and the less snippy can enjoy some relative peace.

It's the nature of any debate arena - just look at the average parliament.

I don't mind criticism I just can't handle other U.N member states complaining about my diplomat's number of proposals. Some were accidents but I have some good ideas that I want to at least have debated.

Well, we in Ceorana hope you stay, but if not...
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Cluich's post just now was a bit.....harsh. However, frustration is something that gets the better of many vets all to often. When we spend half our time sniping at each other's heals and the other half editing proposals we aren't necessarily bothered about but want to make sure it looks at least decent so we don't descend into the abysmal days of the first resolutions, your patience wears thin and you tend to explode. Sometimes it's at one another (for example: I blew up on Flibs just yesterday), sometimes it is at a newbie who didn't know any better. Which is a shame really, and quite honestly, Downright mean. Us regulars can take the knocks and the pseudo-trolling. But to inflict it on newcomers is just out of line.

I wouldn't leave yet, you obviously are enthusiastic and interested in the game and I urge you to learn from the advice given here and channel your passion more effectively. You'll always have our good wishes, that's for certain.

If you are leaving though, I bagsy his chairs and stapler.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

Timor Leste Island:

Please don't resign. You've brought up new ideas, and have also brought a new voice to this forum.

Yes, you have attracted a lot of criticism. That's the way things often work around here. Many of your ideas could become brilliant proposals/repeals, if more time was spent on them. I'm not saying you haven't spent time already, but take advantage of this forum.

Most of us around here are interested in seeing quality resolutions get passed. Many of us have had experience either with writing our own resolutions, or critiquing others'.

Think of us as editors or beta-readers, who can provide help wih phrasing, setting-out, as well as give hints as to what arguments are more likely to work.

I believe that the main issue is that every time, you have come up with a new repeal rather than building on what you already have. Just because you've submitted one version doesn't mean you can't submit later, better versions as well. My own resolution, Habeas Corpus, took several months and about 15 submissions to finally reach quorum, whereupon it passed with flying colours. You don't need to go to those lengths, but re-drafting can work wonders with an idea.

Grow some thicker skin Timor.
People are going to tell you what they think.
If you don't like it or don't agree, just ignore them. It's not like anyone can physically stop you from suggesting proposals. As far as I am concerned, go to town! Submit as many as you want. Who cares? It's a game. You definitely do not need to get worked up over the fact that someone thinks you are doing too much. You are enjoying the game the way you want to.

--Rooty

As a resignee from this organization, I heartily recommend withdrawing from the United Nations. Being a rogue nation is fun! The gnomes don't pester us no more, and we can behave like the rogue state we always wanted to be and not give a fuck what our fellow member states think! We no longer have to make up stories about "weapons of mass destruction" or "terrorism" before we invade other countries, either, or spin our treatment of detainees for fear of being found in violation of Wolfish! Aye, we can stop all the lies!!

Timor, I would love to make a pasionate appeal for you to remain in the UN, but I really can't think of one at the time. You realize that most of the members of the UN are nice, friendly people who have never even seen this forum? Yea, I hate them also. The people here can be cruel, unforgiving at times, but as with any darwinistic environment, those who survive are lean and mean and able to get people to agree with their arguments. (Of course they don't have to, everyone knows about all those fluffy members who never even see the forums and who only read the title of a resolution before they hit they YAY/NAY buttons.)

Oddly enough I am having more fun in my non UN nation than in my UN one, but that's because my UN nation is in a very boring region, not because of the UN.

Darling you gotta let me know
Should I stay or should I go?
If you say that you are mine
I'll be here 'til the end of time
So you got to let know
Should I stay or should I go?

Pardon the stupid question but - why don't you move Tzorsland?

The simple answer is that it's a region formed when a bunch of members of a particular D&D role playing board decided to try the game. So I have a little nostalgia to the region, even though there are only three of us left at the moment.

Besides if I actually moved, I'd probably get two endorsements and nothing would prevent me from spreading my evil agenda across the entire UN. :eek:

Which is a shame really, and quite honestly, Downright mean. Us regulars can take the knocks and the pseudo-trolling. But to inflict it on newcomers is just out of line.


That reminds me. I'm pretty sure I still owe you an apology for blowing up at you over....uhhh.....errr....something or other. Yeah. Sorry Hirota, I'm pretty sure I was out of line.

EDIT: It was the repeal of WHL. WOW! I was getting harsh for no particular reason.

The simple answer is that it's a region formed when a bunch of members of a particular D&D role playing board decided to try the game. So I have a little nostalgia to the region, even though there are only three of us left at the moment.

Besides if I actually moved, I'd probably get two endorsements and nothing would prevent me from spreading my evil agenda across the entire UN. :eek:
Ah, I understand, I only just moved out of my nostalgic region, even though I was the only one left.
Still...there comes a time...

As a diplomat who has flung his fair share of borderline-hateful speech around these halls, I must encouarge the representative from Timor Leste Island to rethink his action, and remain with us here in the United Nations.

Those of us who have been here a while are all too familiar with the battle to keep bad proposals out and good proposals in, and it can get a bit tiring when you've been doing it for that long. Tempers get short, responses get sarcastic, and people can be downright mean.

That said, its best to come into the system with a bit of thick skin, and hope it grows over the months. Or, in my case, sling it back with the best of 'em.