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We respectfully feel the UN is not the kind of council that is interested on debating issues of significance and formally submit our resignation from such an organization. There are indeed issues of grave concern to the international community that appears this organization has no interest in. There is a level of inward thinking we feel is present that we simply do not subscribe to.

Regretably,

Prime Minister Gibson
The Commonwealth of Ontarian

Oh, ye of little patience.

We respectfully feel the UN is not the kind of council that is interested on debating issues of significance and formally submit our resignation from such an organization. There are indeed issues of grave concern to the international community that appears this organization has no interest in. There is a level of inward thinking we feel is present that we simply do not subscribe to.

Regretably,

Prime Minister Gibson
The Commonwealth of Ontarian

What issues might that be?

You have been on this forum just a handful of days (one, I'm guessing) and I don't have a clue what your problem is. Is it the fact that your WHA proposal got deleted? Perhaps you should ask people why it's illegal before you go crying away about it getting deleted. We generally can find the reasons why - oh look, I put down my suggestions.

Seriously, take some time, get some advice, and put some effort in and you might get a proposal passed. If you walk away now, you won't get shit passed.

I appreciate the feedback, but after reading alot of the proposals, and without sounding like a complete jerk, lets just say I guess I am just not a UN kind of guy.

EDIT: no one is crying, least of all me. I am excercising my freedom to abstain from the UN process. Sure I may be irked that my proposal got deleted, but no where am I crying about it. I believe my answer here best explains, or at least hopefully does.

I appreciate the feedback, but after reading alot of the proposals, and without sounding like a complete jerk, lets just say I guess I am just not a UN kind of guy.

The ones that were submitted or the ones being drafted?

The ones that were submitted or the ones being drafted?

I guess a bit of both truth be told, but that is my perspective, and I realize that will differ from others views. In any event, the decision is final, and no disrespect is intended to those that continue to utilize the UN.

http://test256.free.fr/UN%20Cards/wtf7an.jpg

Oh, and...

http://test256.free.fr/UN%20Cards/office.jpg

Thank you so much for making the decision that much easier.

We are inclined to agree with Prime Minister Gibson, at least on the not "debating issues of significance" part. I mean, come on! Patients Rights? Waste Disposal? Recycling? Privacy-protection statutes that would only make the UN Big Brother? Legalizing marijuana? Animal rights? Cannibalism? What gender pasta is? How in hell are any of these issues of international importance? We resigned from the United Nations in the hopes that it would soon pass a substantive anti-terror act so we could make a speedy return -- and we have found ourselves on the sidelines for months now, because none of you idiots are willing to get off your lazy asses and do something about international terrorism! We've tried all sorts of measures to get your morons' attention: drinking excessively and embarrassing the General Assembly with lunatic off-the-wall harrangues, running naked through the halls, even recording subliminal messages into the elevator music ...

[Presses "play" button on a tape recorder sitting near him. Pleasant E-Z listening music emits from the speaker, rudely interrupted with clips of Riley shouting at the top of his lungs: "YOU'RE ALL FUCKING RETARDS!!", "PASS AN ANTI-TERROR BILL, GODDAMMIT!!", "JACK RILEY RULES!!"]

... Surprisingly, none of it has worked. We wonder what sorts of measures we would have to undertake to make you dimwits see the light and confront the menace of international terror? But sadly, we are close to giving up on all you freaks, as Gruenberg seems to have sacked its delightfully anti-fluffy ambassador; we can only assume some insufferable bleeding heart will take his place, and we will have lost a key ally in the fight against terror apologism and security negligence infecting these halls.

~Jack Riley
Ambassador to the United Nations

Thank you so much for making the decision that much easier.

You're welcome. :D

Seriously, I agree that the UN isn't for everyone. I don't consider myself a "UN kind of guy" either, and I haven't tried submitting anything yet. But I'm mainly in the UN for other parts of the game, and while I'm here, I might as well shoot my mouth off in this forum, vote down the bad stuff, and get a few laughs at some of the debates.

You're welcome. :D

Seriously, I agree that the UN isn't for everyone. I don't consider myself a "UN kind of guy" either, and I haven't tried submitting anything yet. But I'm mainly in the UN for other parts of the game, and while I'm here, I might as well shoot my mouth off in this forum, vote down the bad stuff, and get a few laughs at some of the debates.
OOC: hell, that approach has kept me here for over two years now...

Thank you so much for making the decision that much easier.

Glad to be of service.

I guess a bit of both truth be told,

Well...the submission queue is about 95% crap and anyone here will be more than happy to tell you that. However, you, yourself, have the ability to help guide the agenda of the UN on these forums.

but that is my perspective, and I realize that will differ from others views.

Yep, all the more reason why we need someone with a different perspective here.

In any event, the decision is final, and no disrespect is intended to those that continue to utilize the UN.

I'm sure none feel any. The number of people that really don't care about departures are astonishing - as is shown in Cluich's response to you.

Well...the submission queue is about 95% crap and anyone here will be more than happy to tell you that. However, you, yourself, have the ability to help guide the agenda of the UN on these forums.



Yep, all the more reason why we need someone with a different perspective here.



I'm sure none feel any. The number of people that really don't care about departures are astonishing - as is shown in Cluich's response to you.

OOC:The post was more of a formal RP of departure. I am sure that this won't be the last time I check out the boards and enter my 2 cents, I just won't be adding a UN flag to my name when I don't agree with what I am seeing it representing. If I had 4k+ posts and spent this much time here, I'd probably submit the same generic flame post and pic like him, although I would also probably think about what purpose it serves and wether or not I would care enough to even post about it, but hey, to each his own.

I need no other purpose than amusing myself.

We disrespectfully feel the Commonwealth of Ontarian is not the kind of nation that is interested in being well educated and curt, submit our anger towards such an organization. There are indeed issues of grave concern to the international community that appears this organization has no sanity. There is a level of idiotic thinking they present that we simply do not subscribe to.

P***ed Off at Morons,

Dictator Ace Livantis
The Rogue Nation of Evil Satanic OzMonkeys

We disrespectfully feel the Commonwealth of Ontarian is not the kind of nation that is interested in being well educated and curt, submit our anger towards such an organization. There are indeed issues of grave concern to the international community that appears this organization has no sanity. There is a level of idiotic thinking they present that we simply do not subscribe to.

P***ed Off at Morons,

Dictator Ace Livantis
The Rogue Nation of Evil Satanic OzMonkeys

That made about as much sense as a soup sandwich.

What's wrong about a Soup Sandwich? (god you're a retard Cluichstan...)

What's wrong about a Soup Sandwich? (god you're a retard Cluichstan...)

http://www.p0stwh0res.com/images/makeitstop.jpg

What's wrong about a Soup Sandwich? (god you're a retard Cluichstan...)

He's not a retard. A troll maybe, but certainly not a retard.:D

Now play nicely you two.

That made about as much sense as a soup sandwich.


QFT

He's not a retard. A troll maybe, but certainly not a retard.:D


Thanks, Hirota. And here's a recent picture of me.

http://www.p0stwh0res.com/images/trolla.jpg

:p

Thanks, Hirota. And here's a recent picture of me.

http://www.p0stwh0res.com/images/trolla.jpg

:p

That just looks like a retarded troll....

Guess they were both right :p

Oh Burn!!!

That just looks like a retarded troll....

Guess they were both right :p

That's not a retarded troll. You should see what the retarded ones look like. ;)

We resigned from the United Nations in the hopes that it would soon pass a substantive anti-terror act so we could make a speedy return...~Jack Riley
Ambassador to the United Nations

Many nations aren't having a significant problem with terror. We have faced a significant problem with terror mongering. Perhaps your nation should stop subsidizing horror movies?

As to legislation, any time someone complains about a lack of "substantive" legislation I get awfully suspicious. We would prefer all legislation to be as minimal as possible, and to only address compelling needs.

Our nation does not have a terror problem, but we do see a great many other nations "media" exporting terror.

That's not a retarded troll. You should see what the retarded ones look like. ;)

Well.....if that one isn't a retarded troll.....that I'm too afraid of being scarred for life by looking at a retarded one....

Oh Burn!!!

Grow up, kid.

Our glorious leader agrees, for too long has the UN debated the same issues, lets have a moratorium on drugs, same sex marriages, religious affairs, environment and nuclear weapons.
Hopefully we could then clear time to discuss the real issues, such as what is cheese (is it purely milk based, or does Cliff Richards back catalogue count?), what is the offside rule? Should the forthcoming Ferret trousering world cup have UN defined rules? Can the UN help restore pubs to their true meaning in life? So many issues.......

Our glorious leader agrees, for too long has the UN debated the same issues, lets have a moratorium on drugs, same sex marriages, religious affairs, environment and nuclear weapons.
Hopefully we could then clear time to discuss the real issues, such as what is cheese (is it purely milk based, or does Cliff Richards back catalogue count?), what is the offside rule? Should the forthcoming Ferret trousering world cup have UN defined rules? Can the UN help restore pubs to their true meaning in life? So many issues.......


YOU MEAN WE HAVEN'T FULLY DEFINED FERRET TROUSERING RULES FOR ALL UN NATIONS?

Well, WTF! That's it! I'm outta here!
:headbang:

On behalf of the Nation of Sophista, I would like to formally invite any and all ambassadors who are as unamused by this babbling as myself to beat their heads against the wall in our deliberation chambers. Vodka martinis to follow.

For those who decline, I'll be happy to order the largest keg of GET THE KFUC OVER YOURSELVES available, and deliver it to the floor.

On behalf of the Nation of Sophista, I would like to formally invite any and all ambassadors who are as unamused by this babbling as myself to beat their heads against the wall in our deliberation chambers. Vodka martinis to follow.

For those who decline, I'll be happy to order the largest keg of GET THE KFUC OVER YOURSELVES available, and deliver it to the floor.

Rarely does an opportunity present itself to us that makes as much sense as this. We will gladly bash our heads against your walls, given they do not have any padding to slow the process of passing out. :headbang:

And here I didn't even remember the emoticon that would allow me to realize my dreams. No, I'd rather people just get on with their lives, and stop pretending like leaving the United Nations is some valiant protest.

At the end of the day, the only thing you can do if you don't like the way things turn out here is change them yourself.

On behalf of the Nation of Sophista, I would like to formally invite any and all ambassadors who are as unamused by this babbling as myself to beat their heads against the wall in our deliberation chambers. Vodka martinis to follow.

Bah, Martinis are for sissies. Real Men drink Wild Turkey staight from the bottle.:D
Excelsior,
Sen. Horatio Sulla

And here I didn't even remember the emoticon that would allow me to realize my dreams. No, I'd rather people just get on with their lives, and stop pretending like leaving the United Nations is some valiant protest.

At the end of the day, the only thing you can do if you don't like the way things turn out here is change them yourself.

I would rather not have to deal with people that generalize everything and assume that things are done out of some valiant protest. Guess that's life, you know the one I am suppose to be getting on with. Makes it kind of hard when I have people generalizing my comments without educating themselves on the nature. I swear being lazy must be in these days.


Well so much for the RP aspects of these boards, I RP'd when I joined, didn't like what I saw with the UN, so I RP'd to leave, that simple, but hey go ahead and shit on that, because the issues at hand are obviously worth it. One hell of an arguement BTW. I guess I will just go with the flow at this point since the RP portion seems to fall on deaf ears, or in this case blind eyes. If it was a protest, I would have said I am leaving in protest, unlike you, I don't conform for the sake of saving face or having a Blue flag by my name when I in no way support what that flag stands for.

If you ever took the time from posturing on whatever pedestal you think you are on, and spent 5 minutes to look at the proposals that have been passed, or the ones being submitted you would probably realize that the major majority of the topics are "DOMESTIC" and have zero to do with an international community.

I am sure I could sit here and pump out 2k+ posts in the hopes of trying to change it,but judging from the 3 pages of holier than thou preaching from "vets", at the end of the day, I will have had 2k+ posts and change zero except my perceptions of why I wasted my time on 2k+ posts. Judging by your post count, you are well on your way ot such a venture.

Oh wait, did I just make a generalized post?:rolleyes:

Here, I will save you the trouble. :headbang:

If you ever took the time from posturing on whatever pedestal you think you are on, and spent 5 minutes to look at the proposals that have been passed, or the ones being submitted you would probably realize that the major majority of the topics are "DOMESTIC" and have zero to do with an international community.
Well if that's why you're leaving then you should join the NSO, we're an organization who believe that the UN should only legislate on issues of an international nature. The link to our forum is in my sig.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

OOC: Ontarian, you suggested Sophista didn't realize most of the issues were domestic. Compare that with this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11021847&postcount=203).

Preacher, meet converted.

Now, I'm not sure why you're so fixated on post-count. I think it's pretty irrelevant. Powerhungry Chipmunks and Jey have pretty low post-counts compared to some, but they've repealed any number of domestic resolutions between them (and proposed some themselves :p).

I agree, there's not too much RP on the UN boards. But you're not alone. I posted a lengthy IC post in my Economic Development Act proposal thread, and got a couple of OOC chuckles. The Strangers' Bar isn't hugely active. But, if people actually did more roleplaying, that would change. Waiting around for someone else to start is pointless: you post, and we'll join in.

IC response: I am speaking in the role as acting Ambassador, and my words do not carry the official stamp of my government. However, from one pseudo-old timer to another, have patience. Yes, the UN seems fixated on domestic issues - but that's changing. International issues are concentrated on much more nowadays, and domestic resolutions are being repealed all the time.

You might investigate some of the unofficial UN think-tanks, most of which are aimed at international issues. Mr Flibble already mentioned the National Sovereignty Organization (http://s11.invisionfree.com/NatSovOrg). There's R&R (http://s9.invisionfree.com/Reveal_and_Repeal/index.php?), for repealing those domestic deadweights. There's the Green Think Tank (http://s13.invisionfree.com/Green_Think_Tank) for environmental legislation, FAIRTRADE (http://s12.invisionfree.com/FAIRTRADE) for trade legislation, UN DEFCON (http://s15.invisionfree.com/UN_DEFCON/index.php?) for international security.

Gruenberg has long supported the idea of a World Health Organization or similar, but we accept that any proposal on the subject requires a good deal of discussion in the drafting stage. If you cannot abide that, then we suspect the fault does not lie solely with everyone else.

~Lori Jiffjeff
Legal Aide to the Gruenberger Office of UN Affairs
Minister of Sandy Vaginas

You'll find the two proposals I've recently drafted are both international.
The first was trying to prevent domestic legislation and was illegal but that's unimportant.
The latter only worked as international, in fact it was so international people who didn't want foreigners emigrating to them were all up in arms. *cough* Gruenberg*cough*

Don't worry, I'll be getting it through soon. ;)

ooc: If you want to rp I suggest the strangers bar and watching here. The SB is all good fun, and can get you a few friends.

If you ever took the time from posturing on whatever pedestal you think you are on, and spent 5 minutes to look at the proposals that have been passed, or the ones being submitted you would probably realize that the major majority of the topics are "DOMESTIC" and have zero to do with an international community.

Clearly, you are unfamiliar with the way our nation handles things in this big soup of countries we call the United Nations. Perhaps if you'd added my two guides for resolution writing to your reading list, you'd have a better of idea of how I feel about things. Then again, anyone would pound out two seperate guides trying to increase the quality of resolutions and ensure that they're written in proper format, right? Not just someone who has a vested interest in keeping this body on course?

Hmm.

If it was a protest, I would have said I am leaving in protest, unlike you, I don't conform for the sake of saving face or having a Blue flag by my name when I in no way support what that flag stands for.

Ouch. You nailed me. I in "no way" support what the flag stands for. That's why the quality of the writing of resolutions in this world took a dramatic upturn right around the same time I wrote a guide telling people how to write in proper United Nations format. And I in "no way" support what the flag stands for when I spend most of my days here in the forum hurling common sense at people who don't understand the true mission of the United Nation.

I am sure I could sit here and pump out 2k+ posts in the hopes of trying to change it,but judging from the 3 pages of holier than thou preaching from "vets", at the end of the day, I will have had 2k+ posts and change zero except my perceptions of why I wasted my time on 2k+ posts. Judging by your post count, you are well on your way ot such a venture.

The preaching you get isn't holier than thou, it's "been here, seen this." Plenty of people come in here with good ideas and high expectations, see the slag, and bail before they get a chance to make a difference. People like you, who have one negative experience and run away don't ever see the true gems. The rest of us, who see the crap, decide to rise above it, and work the system to produce quality work, are the ones who end up in positions like mine, defending ourselves against people who do not understand the system they've attempted to become a part of.

So yeah, boo hoo boo hoo, yell and scream at me about anything you want. But don't you sit there for one second and pretend like my message is inconsequential because you can't deal with the same 95% of crap resolutions that we see every day.

If that is your attitude, you will not be missed.

OOC: Ontarian, you suggested Sophista didn't realize most of the issues were domestic. Compare that with this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11021847&postcount=203).

Preacher, meet converted.

Now, I'm not sure why you're so fixated on post-count. I think it's pretty irrelevant. Powerhungry Chipmunks and Jey have pretty low post-counts compared to some, but they've repealed any number of domestic resolutions between them (and proposed some themselves :p).

I agree, there's not too much RP on the UN boards. But you're not alone. I posted a lengthy IC post in my Economic Development Act proposal thread, and got a couple of OOC chuckles. The Strangers' Bar isn't hugely active. But, if people actually did more roleplaying, that would change. Waiting around for someone else to start is pointless: you post, and we'll join in.

IC response: I am speaking in the role as acting Ambassador, and my words do not carry the official stamp of my government. However, from one pseudo-old timer to another, have patience. Yes, the UN seems fixated on domestic issues - but that's changing. International issues are concentrated on much more nowadays, and domestic resolutions are being repealed all the time.

You might investigate some of the unofficial UN think-tanks, most of which are aimed at international issues. Mr Flibble already mentioned the National Sovereignty Organization (http://s11.invisionfree.com/NatSovOrg). There's R&R (http://s9.invisionfree.com/Reveal_and_Repeal/index.php?), for repealing those domestic deadweights. There's the Green Think Tank (http://s13.invisionfree.com/Green_Think_Tank) for environmental legislation, FAIRTRADE (http://s12.invisionfree.com/FAIRTRADE) for trade legislation, UN DEFCON (http://s15.invisionfree.com/UN_DEFCON/index.php?) for international security.

Gruenberg has long supported the idea of a World Health Organization or similar, but we accept that any proposal on the subject requires a good deal of discussion in the drafting stage. If you cannot abide that, then we suspect the fault does not lie solely with everyone else.

~Lori Jiffjeff
Legal Aide to the Gruenberger Office of UN Affairs
Minister of Sandy Vaginas

IC: We thank the esteemed Lori Jiffjeff for the positive feedback. It is refreshing to see that we are not alone on our view of these issues. As Leader of Ontarian, as it is my responsibility, I will certainly take the time to look into the NSO and the issues discussed within its organization. We will at this time, however, take a more distant approach in matters of international affairs. Our goal is not to became strangers to the international community, but rather to ensure that we stand for the same priniciples that any organization repesenting such a community stand for.

Sincerely,

Prime Minister Gibson
The Commonwealth of Ontarian