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I'm not sure if Carthage is a member of these forums or not, but I am posting his proposal that has been co-authored by me. Any suggestions for how the UNSI could help the nations who request it or any comments on the whole?


NOTING that many nations crime rates are alarmingly high

URGING nations to put a stop to this lawlessness

CONSIDERING that crime makes it hard for nations to interact causing a state of fear in many nations

STATING that this resolution works against all types of crime and corruption

BELIEVING that many governments are the cause of much of the crime, intentionally or not.

BELIEVING That one nations crime level influences the other

APPROVING of Proposal 57 Reduce Black Market Arms Sales

The United Nations,

DEFINES crime as any act against the law in any individual UN member nation

URGES nations with a high crime rate to increase funding to military and police forces by a notable amount

FURTHER URGES nations to increase national security for the benefit of their nation and other nations.

CREATES the UNSI(United Nations Security Inspectors) to aid the nations who can not control their crime levels but wish to

EMPHASISES that the UNSI will determine whether crime rates in all UN member nations are non-existant, low, moderate, high or alarmingly high and will only help any nation who requests help

STATES that the UNSI will not help any nation whose crime rate is deemed to be non-existant or low

STATES that the UNSI will help the nation who has requested help regarding their crime rates by doing one or more of the following things:

1.
2.
3.

BELIEVES that this proposal will make the world a safer place

Co-Authored by Adolf Barham

I'm not sure if Carthage is a member of these forums or not, but I am posting his proposal that has been co-authored by me. Any suggestions for how the UNSI could help the nations who request it or any comments on the whole?

Sure. Here goes...

NOTING that many nations crime rates are alarmingly high

They are?

URGING nations to put a stop to this lawlessness

What lawlessness?

CONSIDERING that crime makes it hard for nations to interact causing a state of fear in many nations

How does my littering affect international relations?

STATING that this resolution works against all types of crime and corruption

Oh, it does?

BELIEVING that many governments are the cause of much of the crime, intentionally or not.

How so?

BELIEVING That one nations crime level influences the other

How?

APPROVING of Proposal 57 Reduce Black Market Arms Sales

Mmmkay...

The United Nations,

DEFINES crime as any act against the law in any individual UN member nation

What a novel concept.

URGES nations with a high crime rate to increase funding to military and police forces by a notable amount

Uh...okay...

FURTHER URGES nations to increase national security for the benefit of their nation and other nations.

Okay...

CREATES the UNSI(United Nations Security Inspectors) to aid the nations who can not control their crime levels but wish to

Sounds like a UN police force to me. Illegal.

EMPHASISES that the UNSI will determine whether crime rates in all UN member nations are non-existant, low, moderate, high or alarmingly high and will only help any nation who requests help

STATES that the UNSI will not help any nation whose crime rate is deemed to be non-existant or low

STATES that the UNSI will help the nation who has requested help regarding their crime rates by doing one or more of the following things:

1.
2.
3.

What things?

BELIEVES that this proposal will make the world a safer place

How the fuck is it gonna do that?

Co-Authored by Adolf Barham

Y'know, I've never automatically written off proposals simply because of a person's name being on it. I think I may have to start.

Okay, Cluichstan, if you look on the proposal list, you will see F-Carthage III's original security proposal. I simply laid it out in the correct way (which is why he gave me co-author status). All the ideas are F-Carthage III's. I posted it for him to get some feedback for him.

I believe that you said you have written off this proposal simply because my name was on it. (correct me if that is not what you meant), well tomorrow, my first ever proposal will reach the UN floor, so I hope you don't just write that off because my name's on it.

Personally, I believe that this resolution does not do any harm and does tackle crime slightly. Are there any serious suggestions as to how to improve it or how the UNSI could help the nations requesting it.

No, I didn't notice your name as co-author until I'd already torn through the proposal and saw "Co-Authored by Adolf Barham" dangling there.

DEFINES crime as any act against the law in any individual UN member nation

This worries me, are you saying that any law in any U.N. nation state that is contravened, shouldbe treated as a crime, even when it is not a criminal offence in another nation?

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

How the fuck is it gonna do that?

This, pretty much, summarizes my opinions on this proposal.

Forgottenlands has an abysmally low crime rate and an equally small police force along with zero jails. Angel Fire, on the other hand, has an moderate-high crime rate, plenty of jail cells, a massive police force and large military. Rather humorously, at one point they tossed more money into the police force and the crime rate went up.

So

Explain to me how this will work.

Forgottenlands has an abysmally low crime rate and an equally small police force along with zero jails.Might wanna check today's UN Report on that one. :p

This is F-Carthages proposal. I have suggested that he join the forums, but he hasn't so far. You may like to tg him to get the three things that he is adding to the last clause and to query him.

The Empire of Forgottenlands is a massive, environmentally stunning nation, renowned for its complete lack of prisons.

Crime is totally unknown.

Yes, fine

Forgottenlands is ranked 17th in the region and 16,016th in the world for Lowest Crime Rates.

Still doesn't disprove my statements. Just shows how low the crime rates are for the vast many nations

(Also helps that I haven't answered an issue in something like a year)

This is F-Carthages proposal. I have suggested that he join the forums, but he hasn't so far. You may like to tg him to get the three things that he is adding to the last clause and to query him.

I'm not TGing him. If he cares about the proposal, he will read what we've said about it. However, the proposal is illegal as written so we don't have to worry about it reaching quarom and passing. If he wants to find out the details of what's wrong with this proposal, he can come here or you can relay him. This isn't a problem that requires immediate action.

EDIT: Stop telling us to stop complaining to you about it. I didn't say your name, did I? I'm well aware that this isn't your proposal, but that isn't going to stop us from laying out everything that's wrong with it.

APPROVING of Proposal 57 Reduce Black Market Arms Sales

Which achieved what, precisely, apart from setting up a council and a conference neither of which seems to have bothered issuing any reports back to the UN?

What exactly is illegal about the proposal?

What exactly is illegal about the proposal?

Well, for one thing 'UNSI' looks suspiciously like a 'UN Police Force' and the rules state clearly that resolutions can't try to give the UN any police forces...

Which achieved what, precisely, apart from setting up a council and a conference neither of which seems to have bothered issuing any reports back to the UN?
OOC: Because it's not allowed to under UN rules. So, really, it has reported - we just haven't RP'd it.

Just to add to the statistical battle:

Crime is totally unknown, thanks to the all-pervasive police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare.

Compadria is ranked 17th in the region and 4,589th in the world for Lowest Crime Rates.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

On the flip side....

juggles the competing demands of Law & Order, Defence, and Commerce
Motorists' locations are constantly tracked by intelligence and law enforcement agencies, major cities are suffering under water rationing, the military has had to quell a recent insurrection by uninsured revolutionaries
Crime is a problem
Angel Fire is ranked 80th in the region and 94,572nd in the world for Lowest Crime Rates.

Crime is totally unknown, thanks to the all-pervasive police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare.
Randomea is ranked 1st in the region and 653rd in the world for Lowest Crime Rates.
Muahahahaa..aa..eugh*cough cough splutter*

A UN Security Act? What a ridiculous idea.

:cool:

URGING nations to put a stop to this lawlessnessAnd what's wrong with lawlessness?

"UN Category: Anarchy"

"There is no government in the normal sense of the word"

"a small group of community-minded, corrupt, pro-business individuals concentrates mainly on Education, although Commerce and Healthcare are on the agenda. Income tax is unheard of."

"The Most Glorious Hack's educational system is the envy of many and regarded as a pinnacle of educational achievement"

"Crime is totally unknown."

"The Most Glorious Hack is ranked 5th in the region and 10,578th [out of 113,524] in the world for Lowest Crime Rates."


And our police force? We only need one (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=388755) officer.

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Doctor Denis Leary
Whacked Out On Whippets
The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

ooc: is that the ultimate in irony?
An anarchist mod.

STATES that the UNSI will help the nation who has requested help regarding their crime rates by doing one or more of the following things:

1. Provides sniper and equipment to take out all known criminals.
2. Pays off judges and police to not see these snipers
3. Provides furnaces to get ride of the remains of criminals

BELIEVES that this proposal will make the world a safer place

Co-Authored by Adolf Barham

Now we see it doing what it is intended to do.

I got the telegram about this and rushed here to call the proposal not-nice names... but as usual that opinion has already been voiced. Just listen to Otterby, he's omniscient.

Look at me, I'm safe too!
The Republic of Palanee is a huge, safe nation
Crime is totally unknown.

It is not the place of the United Nations to worry about the internal security of any nation. If any nation needs help with security, there are many better and more efficient ways to get help, rather than establish a UN committee, or whatever you want to call it.

We would also like to bring to the attention of Adolf-Barham and F-Carthage the following quote.

The UN doesn't get an army. Nor does it get to form The World Police. This is pretty clear: don't do it.

This proposal is on the verge of creating the World Police. It does not do so, but it comes dangerously close.

Therefore, the Theocracy of Drewmm will not be adding its support to this proposal, and will vote against it if it ever reaches the floor.

--Heter Terar, Priest Delegate to the United Nations