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My good fellow nations, in order to improve the education systems of those nations with membership in the UN, my associates in the Yurai Mountains as well as myself would appreciate your support on the following.

First of all, a repeal on the current "Free Education Act" is up for voting, the reasoning can be found below or on the proposal site. If you were to support this, the following resolution we feel could far more effectively fulfill the role of providing a free and standard education to the citizens of all UN Nations.

Reasoning to Repeal Resolution 28, "Free Education Act":

DECLARING that the resolution #28 Free Education is null and void.

NOTING WITH REGRET that the Free Education does only provide free
education for those at or under the age of 18. This does NOT include:
late admissions, children held back a year(s), and mentally
challenged students that do not learn at the standard rate. All of
these groups are not covered by the prior Free Education for part, or
even most if not all, of their high school. Thus, making them pay for
part of a supposedly free and standard education.

DEFINING for the purpose of this repeal:
a) Standard Education - Education up to and including a high school
diploma, but proceeding no further.

EMPHASIZING that a new and improved Free Education Resolution should
be passed immediately after the repeal, in order to address the problems
emphasized by this repeal.


Proposal for "Free Standard Education Act":

Free Standard Education Act

The United Nations,

ADDRESSING the education of the people of the NationStates world. The
UN wishes to provide a standard, free education to all of it's
citizens.

RECOGNIZING the previous Free Education Act, and commending it for
it's efforts. Although it is outdated and behind the times.

CONCLUDING that a Free Standard Education Act is necessary to ensure
the right to a free standard education of all citizens in UN member
nations.

1. DEFINES, for the purpose of this resolution:
a) free - being of no monetary inconvenience to the student.
b) standard education - education up to a high school diploma, but no further.

2. DECLARES that a free standard education is to be provided to all
people desiring one in any member nation.

3. STIPULATES that there is no age limit after which free standard
education will be given.

4. CREATES the United Nation Board of Education (UNBoE) in order to
fund, manage, and maintain a standard level of education throughout
the UN member nations.
a) Funds - The UNBoE will be in charge of raising funds. These funds
will be distributed throughout member nations evenly to fund education
systems in all nations. Noting, that not all funds come from the UN
for education, the member nations must still fund their own education
systems, although they will receive extra UN funds. The poorer
nations with worse education systems will be given more funding than
that of already well established education systems of larger, richer
nations. The reasoning for this is to help equalize the quality of
education between nations.
b) Management - The UNBoE will manage standardizing of education
throughout member states. Ensuring that no one nation has an obvious
education advantage over another, while not restraining progress made
by education systems of the nations. Also, the UNBoE will manage the
distribution of funds according to necessity throughout the UN member
nations.
c) Maintenance - The UNBoE will maintain the free standard education
act and what it entitles. This includes maintaining the level of
education currentally expected in nations, and will included maintain
a higher level of education as that level so increases.



Please note that this is an unrevised proposal, and that we would be eternally grateful for any input on the UN's behalf. All criticism and recommendations shall be taken fully to heart and incorporated if reasonable and possible.

We already have a United Nations Educational Committee. How is this any different?

Oh, and you don't need to repeal #28. It does what it set out to do.

Explain to me how the free education resolution is, in any way, a limiter to any resolution which sets guidelines on quality, content, depth and breadth or any other aspect of a full educational curriculum. Explain to me how this resolution is a barrier.

After you've spun around enough and realized the answer is "it isn't", explain to me what reason there is to repeal it. All it does is set out an important baseline - we can build from there. Perhaps it could be revamped to include the words "free to the families of children being educated" in which case, it's obvious that others (logically, some body - eg: civic, provincial or national government) takes the tab

Perhaps it could be revamped to include the words "free to the families of children being educated" in which case, it's obvious that others (logically, some body - eg: civic, provincial or national government) takes the tab


Then this so called 'body -eg: Civic, Provincial or National Government' turns to the families and taxes them to get the funds to pay for children to get a 'free' eductation. Somebody has to pay for this and it's not always going to be ones on top of food chain.

Also most nations if they want a productive citizenship will provide some eductation to prepare their children for duties of citizenship.

As for the ages of them providing this we start at age five and by age ten they have a basic eduction down then enter into National Service for the next six years to train and educate on life skills. Thus by sixteen they are active productive citizens here. As to set an age limit on this so called 'free' education could cause conflict in some nations that have it lower or even higher based on how their chidren progess in learning. Some may be real slow and require schooling until 20 or more due to their mental maturity age; others may only need a year education due to the higher mental learning ability thus they learn at a younger age.

Biggest problem here is the term 'FREE' education.. There will never be 'FREE' anything as long as somebody has to be paid for it and others have to pay for it.
The poorer nations with worse education systems will be given more funding than hat of already well established education systems of larger, richer nations. The reasoning for this is to help equalize the quality of
education between nations..
As this proves that it will not be free.. As the so called richer get the bill to provide for the poorer. Thus it not 'FREE' it has a pricetag on it..

If my nation spends say $100 a student and another spends say $10. Is my nation to give $45 to the other nation so all students get $55? Now who loses on this one?

Then this so called 'body -eg: Civic, Provincial or National Government' turns to the families and taxes them to get the funds to pay for children to get a 'free' eductation. Somebody has to pay for this and it's not always going to be ones on top of food chain.

Well aware of that. So? That's my entire idea

Also most nations if they want a productive citizenship will provide some eductation to prepare their children for duties of citizenship.

Exactly, so?

As for the ages of them providing this we start at age five and by age ten they have a basic eduction down then enter into National Service for the next six years to train and educate on life skills. Thus by sixteen they are active productive citizens here.

Agreed

As to set an age limit on this so called 'free' education could cause conflict in some nations that have it lower or even higher based on how their chidren progess in learning. Some may be real slow and require schooling until 20 or more due to their mental maturity age others may only need a year education due to the higher mental learning ability and also able to learn at a younger age.

I feel no qualms with setting the lower limit to 18 (well, you could probably argue me down to 16). Those that only take a year, they are obviously a great enough child prodigy that they should be funded to go through higher schools as a smart investment by your nation.

Biggest problem here is the term 'FREE' education.. There will never be 'FREE' anything as long as somebody has to be paid for it and others have to pay for it.

Free as in your education isn't revoked because you don't have the money to pay for your education. If you aren't making any money, or if you aren't able to make enough money, that shouldn't stop you from being able to send your children to school - nor should a school bankrupt a family.

If you have a responsible tax system, the poorest families will be paying no taxes because they would starve if they didn't. These are the people for whom it truly is free, and those whom are both in greatest need of aid and greatest need of giving their child a chance in becoming something greater than they are. Surely, you can see the benefit of ensuring that you give the children of perpetual welfare recipients a chance to being fully productive members rather than useless for the purposes of society and forced to follow the route of their parents.

I feel no qualms with setting the lower limit to 18 (well, you could probably argue me down to 16).
I also have no gualms on the ages set at whatever but feel that it best to leave that open and up to each nation. As in some they may not mature enough until over 18 to learn anything and retain it.. where in others they fully developed mentally early on so learn faster and younger. As NS has many races in it that don't develope the same..

Free as in your education isn't revoked because you don't have the money to pay for your education. If you aren't making any money, or if you aren't able to make enough money, that shouldn't stop you from being able to send your children to school - nor should a school bankrupt a family..

Believe the current resolution sets up a basic education 'FREE' in all UN member nations thus funding is left up to individual nations. See this one as changing who decides where funds are spent. See my prior comment.. We spend $100 another spends $10 thus we give up $45 to them so all students get $55 for this so called 'FREE' education.

If you have a responsible tax system, the poorest families will be paying no taxes because they would starve if they didn't.
Guess what sort of tax system we have in Gruenberg? :cool:

UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION #28
Free education
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.
Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Nastic 2
Description: To give every person under the age of 18 the right to a free education
Votes For: 11,276
Votes Against: 3,264
Implemented: Tue Aug 19 2003


Based on the numbers that voted for this one would think it does what it is intended to do. Also it don't step on toes setting what subjects should be taught or how much funding should be spent on education.

The one already shown to replace this is starting to step on toes in that it takes funds from one nations education system and puts them in anothers. As that only way to balance things out.. Here it leaves individual nations to decide how educated and productive they want their future citizens to be. It doesn't bleed nations that want to have productive citizens to build nations that don't care about this.

I say no to any repeal of R28... that would lead to a proposal possibly being approved that would bleed funds from my children to educate others children.

Guess what sort of tax system we have in Gruenberg? :cool:

Yeah.....

There's a reason why I always have to qualify my statements with "if"

Y'know, I'm starting to come to the conclusion that the reason you're in the UN is because you can use us as a scape goat (pun not intended) for the problems your citizens are having.....when really it's just the messed up system you call the Gruenberg government/"church of Wena"