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Hello: I'm wondering, if I were to post a proposal involving cannibalism, would that break any type of unseen NS no-no?

What I was thinking is that some nations in certain regions may be having a food crisis or overpopulation, among other things. One way to take care of this issue would be to allow the act of cannibalism to take place.

My logic behind this is that if we make cannibalism voluntary, people may warm to the idea. It would save space for farming lands (we would only eat people out of great necessity) and also cut back on funeral costs, the money then being able to be used by the government on something really important.

What if, at a person's consent, or the consent of their loved ones at the time of death, we issued a form allowing us to use the body for human consumption? It would be strictly voluntary, remember. If you think about it, it goes along the lines of organ donations; people give bits of themselves up all the time, why not go all the way?

For criminals, this procedure would be done automatically; this would deter others from committing a crime. If they were a law-abiding citizen, we ask first.

The person would be frozen until needed, in a seperate storage facility. Once again, this would save land that would have been used for a grave. We could turn it into a park or wildlife refuge, the resulting tourism then boosting our economy (or at least making our nation descriptions look good!)

I am most certainly not trying to sicken any of you; please disregard your REAL WORLD mindset and view this openly as a plausible solution to CRIME, OVERPOPULATION, STARVATION, TOURISM/ECONOMY, and POOR CROP SEASONS.

Respectfully,
Kegan Mahon
Founder of The Armed Republic of the Protestant IRA

I am most certainly not trying to sicken any of you

Too late.

1) Are you saying those that commit petty theft should be eaten as punishment?

2) We believe that nations can find much more effective methods of addressing crime in reforming criminals.

3) Even with our 6.5 billion people in the Forgotten Territories, we still are not finding any overpopulation or food shortages. There's a small minority that are claiming as such but they have had little success in decreasing the family size - something that's normally a really good indicator that we're not having problems with overpopulation.

4) Tourism? If all nations adopt it, no real tourism benefits

5) Resolutions can't be voluntary. You either affect all nations or none. You already have the right to adopt these policies within your nation (there are no resolutions on cannibalism) and don't need to write a UN resolution if that's all you want to do.

6) Seriously, you think you have a chance in hell of getting this to pass?

7) Might get deleted anyway for the "grossly offensive" or "bloody stupid" rules.

This sounds like a national concern, rather than an international one. Kudos, though, for bringing an original idea to the table.

Perhaps you could focus on the international trade in human meat? As far as I know, "Ban Trafficking in Persons" only applies while they're alive.

1) Are you saying those that commit petty theft should be eaten as punishment?

Yes, it would deter future crime...

4) Tourism? If all nations adopt it, no real tourism benefits

You don't eat the tourists! :p. You only eat, out of necessity, the freshly dead ones (I can't make that sound any worse lol.)

5)... You either affect all nations or none. You already have the right to adopt these policies within your nation (there are no resolutions on cannibalism) and don't need to write a UN resolution if that's all you want to do.

How do I do that? I could do that if there's a way...

6) Seriously, you think you have a chance in hell of getting this to pass?

I didn't think so but at least I'm trying, yeah?

7) Might get deleted anyway for the "grossly offensive" or "bloody stupid" rules.

Yay, I'm famous.
Please forgive my error, my replies are inserted below the points made. Never was any good at forums :(. I'm in bold

And lastly, why the hell do you sound so cold about it? I was merely asking what the people thought.

a proposal involving cannibalism
What I was thinking is that some nations in certain regions may be having a food crisis or overpopulation, among other things. One way to take care of this issue would be to allow the act of cannibalism to take place.

As it could turn out that cannibalism become a way to deal with the issue of euthanasia we feel it best left up to each nation along with that issue. As all one has to do is set aside that when they reach a certain age they are fried well done and served to their kinfolks at a big departure feast.

Then with other proposals up for consideration we can see that cannibalism would open yet another specimen to be traded between nations.. thus might one day we could well end up with people on the endangered species list.

Best this issue be left to individual nations as it could anyway you go step on toes. As some nations like mine believe that the only time one would ever eat one of our own kind is to save the lives of the majority during some disaster. Since there are good supplies of other meat products around there is no need to add cousin Joe to the family menu.. or aunt Tuttie. As due to the possible spread of certain virus if the deceased is not treated or cooked properly we feel it best to eat something safer than one of our own. Thus avoid common viruses being spread from same species since these are more likely to do more harm when passed on between same species than between different species.

1) Are you saying those that commit petty theft should be eaten as punishment?

Petty theft, no. Murder, rape, serious offenses, by all means. Tit for tat; they take a life, why not we? Kegan

Why should we eat when we could use as fertilizer?

3) Even with our 6.5 billion people in the Forgotten Territories, we still are not finding any overpopulation or food shortages. There's a small minority that are claiming as such but they have had little success in decreasing the family size - something that's normally a really good indicator that we're not having problems with overpopulation.


Anyone ever think the territories were forgotten for a reason LOL. All kidding aside, the remark you made about tourism; I meant that since people were being stored elsewhere for emergency consumption, the land used for future gravesites would be spared, We could then build on it, and people could use it. We would not harm already-placed graves. Kegan

Why should we eat when we could use as fertilizer?
Or as we do feed the remains to the sharks that are around our island then eat the sharks. As this is a faster process of getting a food product than growing plants.. and takes up less land space; leaving that open for other things. Like corn, beans, onions, or mushrooms to go with the shark steaks.

Petty theft, no. Murder, rape, serious offenses, by all means. Tit for tat; they take a life, why not we? Kegan
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...but a kidney will do quite nicely?

To the Representative from Protestant IRA:
First, The Federation of Questionable Industries would like to welcome your nation to the UN.
Now, if you choose to write up a Proposal on Cannibalism, make sure that you refer to the Rules stickies in this Forum. There, you will note that it is illegal to make a Resolution optional as well as many other stumbling points that newer UN members encounter when drafting their first Proposals. I think if, as Gruenberg suggested, it concentrated on International Trade, you might have a modicum of support. I don't know that such a Proposal would have a good chance of passing, but I think you should write up a compelling Draft and post it, some interesting discussion may ensue.

I believe the point on tourism is - if every UN state had cannabalism it would hardly be a novelty.

As many states do not have the death penalty I doubt cannabalism would be approved.

A person who's talking about cannibalism at a serious level is calling me cold? How.....humorous.

Seriously, I don't believe that commission of a crime, no matter how grievous should be punished with death. Taking it to the next level and saying they are therefore worthy of consumption is even worse.

I still fail to see how this helps tourism. Limiting land consumption for things such as graves - agreed. Improving the economy - debatable, but it certainly helps some sectors of the economy (death is a fairly big business in many countries).

And you apply it to your nation by passing a law saying "We now allow cannibalism...." blah blah blah. No, it's not an issue. You just pass it with a flick of your wrist and say "it's done".

although we from Dancing Bananaland detest the notion of killing people for food, we understand that there are some ancient religious practices involving the consumptioon of dead loved ones. Assuming these people died naturally (or were killed for reasons other than being eaten) we see no reason to ban cannabalism, certainly research into its effects and education on biology would be necessary to ensure all those who consume human meat are aware of the side-effects. Perhaps legislation regarding cannabalism is not a negative notion. Not legalizing or illigalizing it, but legislating, as previously mentioned, the trade in meat. As well as perhaps research into cannabalism, meat purification/storage processes, and standards of meat grading.

Ok well, my country is against any proposal like this.
Sorry.
We find it sickening, and inhumane.

For some strange reason Monty Python's Undertaker's sketch (http://www.sm5sxl.net/~mats/python/undertak.txt) comes to mind...

Man: "Um, er... excuse me, um, are you... are you suggesting we should eat my mother?"
(Pause)
Undertaker: "Yeah. Not raw, not raw. We cook her. She'd be delicious with a few french fries, a bit of stuffing. Delicious!"
Man: "What!?"
(Pause)
Man: "Actually, I do feel a bit peckish - No! NO, I can't!"
Undertaker: "Look, we'll eat your mum. Then, if you feel a bit guilty about it afterwards, we can dig a grave and you can throw up into it."
Man: "All right."

*The Ginetian representative reads the proposal and throws up*

We don't even eat ANIMAL meat in Ginet! We certainly won't support a cannibal proposal! *turns green and runs out of the room again*

Hello: I'm wondering, if I were to post a proposal involving cannibalism, would that break any type of unseen NS no-no?In and of itself, it's not necessarily illegal. Granted, I would have to see a specific Proposal to make any sort of specific ruling, but cannibalism isn't verboten itself.

Hell, there's at least one issue dealing with it.

In _Myopia_, we permit people to give up their body to cannibalism after death. The system is quite similar to organ donation, in that a person carries around a card explaining their wishes. If they should die they are examined by health inspectors, who will determine if the meat is fit for consumption. As with organ donation, it is still not permissible to kill someone to take their meat, they must die otherwise first.

We feel this system best protects the freedoms of all involved, allowing people to decide what they wish to do with their bodies after death, without allowing it to descend to exploitation and avoiding the public health problems that could result from unchecked consumption of human flesh.

As such, we are opposed to a few features of this proposal. Most heinous is the concept of compulsory harvesting for criminals. Also, allowing the deceased's loved ones to make the decision for them is objectionable. And we dislike the focus on this as a solution to emergencies - it implies that people's don't have a right to do this kind of thing most of the time, only in times of desperation.

And you apply it to your nation by passing a law saying "We now allow cannibalism...." blah blah blah. No, it's not an issue. You just pass it with a flick of your wrist and say "it's done".
Actually there is an issue dealing with cannibalism "Cannibals Demand to Taste What @@NAME@@ Has to Offer."

EDIT: And i just remembered that the issue about the graveyards filling up has a cannibalism option too. Which means that there are two issues that deal with cannibalism in some way.

I can think of one guy who'd be all in favour of this.

http://www.erie.gov/sheriff/graphics/hannibal06.jpg

EDIT: Bloody anti-hotlinking crap.

visitcelebritywonder?

I'm thinking Hannibal though...
Except he prefers them a) alive, b) to be killed in a disturbing manner afterwards.

visitcelebritywonder?

I'm thinking Hannibal though...
Except he prefers them a) alive, b) to be killed in a disturbing manner afterwards.
OOC: Looking at the link for the pic you're right, I'm guessing that that site doesn't like hotlinking.

A person who's talking about cannibalism at a serious level is calling me cold? How.....humorous.

And you apply it to your nation by passing a law saying "We now allow cannibalism...." blah blah blah. No, it's not an issue. You just pass it with a flick of your wrist and say "it's done".

First off, out-of-character, I don't support eating people, I was merely trying to be original in-game. Secondly, I was calling you cold because of the tone of your reply to me. And thirdly, how do you pass a law if it's not an issue. This morning, in my Issues folder, I had one about cannibalism, is that just coincidence?

Regards, Kegan

This morning, in my Issues folder, I had one about cannibalism, is that just coincidence?
As the issues you recieve are random, yes it's a coincidence.

First off, out-of-character, I don't support eating people, I was merely trying to be original in-game.

Regards, Kegan

OOC, I find it amusing, and it gave me a good LoL!

First off, out-of-character, I don't support eating people,

Never assumed otherwise

I was merely trying to be original in-game.

Mission accomplished

Secondly, I was calling you cold because of the tone of your reply to me.

Cold....don't see it. Direct, serious, etc.....meh.

And thirdly, how do you pass a law if it's not an issue.

Resolutions are Roleplay, daily issues are gameplay. You can cross-work them, but that's your call.

This morning, in my Issues folder, I had one about cannibalism, is that just coincidence?

Yes - or fate, or whatever

Regards, Kegan

1) Are you saying those that commit petty theft should be eaten as punishment?
Hah hah hah!
It would certainly be cheaper than jail

--Rooty

Hah hah hah!
It would certainly be cheaper than jail

--Rooty

Only if you cook them plain. Spices for enough barbecue rub for an entire human body would get pretty damned expensive.

Hah hah hah!
It would certainly be cheaper than jail

--Rooty

You send people to jail for petty theft

multi-repeat....fine. But first-time offenders?

We cut off fingers.

We cut off fingers.

As outrageous as that might be, it's still logical relative to jail time

As outrageous as that might be, it's still logical relative to jail time

We do it quickly and (relatively) painlessly. The missing finger serves as a premanent reminder of one's crime.

We do it quickly and (relatively) painlessly.

Presumably to bring you into compliance

OOC: one would've thought the lack of pain would be less effective

The missing finger serves as a premanent reminder of one's crime.

I can believe that.

However, we object to any intentional permanent maiming of an individual - including by a government.

Presumably to bring you into compliance

OOC: one would've thought the lack of pain would be less effective

But of course, my friend. ;)

OOC: Ah, but it also serves as a mark by which society can identify the criminal in perpetuity. Ostracism can be a rough thing.


I can believe that.

However, we object to any intentional permanent maiming of an individual - including by a government.

Object all you like. But be sure not to get found guilty of petty theft in Cluichstan.

How about someone actually writes a proposal on it and then we can talk about that. Might be funny.

You send people to jail for petty theft

multi-repeat....fine. But first-time offenders?

A thief's a thief. Although we don't have much of a theft problem in The Palentine, as most citizens are armed(Carry and Conceal Laws are great deterrents to perps.:p ). The Emperor has also thought of either Branding a thief on the face, or having a 3 inch metal ring surgically imbeded on the perp's forehead.
excelsior,
Lord Julius,
Prime Minister
(drinking...err...consulting with Ambassador, Sen.Sulla)

A thief's a thief. Although we don't have much of a theft problem in The Palentine, as most citizens are armed(Carry and Conceal Laws are great deterrents to perps.:p ).

We have Carry and Flaunt laws in HotRodia. :D

We cut off fingers.
And eat those instead! If you rob, cut off fingers. If you fight, break hands. If you as a govt. are corrupt, and someone speaks out, break jaws or rip out tongues. I'm not even going to mention rape (YOU know!)

But of course, my friend. ;)

OOC: Ah, but it also serves as a mark by which society can identify the criminal in perpetuity. Ostracism can be a rough thing.


Unfortunate for anybody who loses any fingers in an accident, or in defence of their country, though...

And eat those instead! If you rob, cut off fingers. If you fight, break hands. If you as a govt. are corrupt, and someone speaks out, break jaws or rip out tongues. I'm not even going to mention rape (YOU know!)

St Edmund's laws allow for the last of the possible punishments that you imply, although it's only imposed in the worst cases and when guilt is most certain, but the removed items are burnt rather than consumed...

Only if you cook them plain. Spices for enough barbecue rub for an entire human body would get pretty damned expensive.

That would make it a delicacy. The aristocracy of society would dine on garlic and herbed criminal, sauteed in white wine... with mushrooms and onions. For a side, I recommend roast potatoes and baby carrots.

--Rooty

That would make it a delicacy. The aristocracy of society would dine on garlic and herbed criminal, sauteed in white wine... with mushrooms and onions. For a side, I recommend roast potatoes and baby carrots.

--Rooty

LOL "baby carrots". Takes car eof all my nation's abotions! (Oh God! He is a sick'un!)

LOL "baby carrots". Takes car eof all my nation's abotions! (Oh God! He is a sick'un!)

Alright, now that's just downright disgusting.

<in thick scottish accent>
I'm a fat bastard and I want that baby in my belly
I'm gonna eat that baby

--Rooty