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I urge you to check out my proposal. Search Down With Capitalism at the proposal list. Telegram me with any questions and if you decide not to approve it, please send me a telegram explaining why.

The title scares me.

I'm not about to slog through 10 pages of proposals, however, so would you be so kind as to either post a link or copy&paste the text?

A. T. Stilgram
Caratian Ambassador to the United Nations

It's considered polite to post the text

Down With Capitalism

A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.


Category: Social Justice


Strength: Strong


Proposed by: Smeltzington

Description: RECOGNIZING that capitalism tends to favor wealthy, create caste systems/social classes and makes it more difficult for the poor to rise economically.


SPECIFYING capitalism as an economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.

PROPOSING that capitalism be outlawed within all UN member states and for all corporations to be seized by the governing body.

Approvals: 1 (Smeltzington)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 124 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Tue May 2 2006

Illegal, ideological ban. I suggest you withdraw it before the mods see it.

Oh, personal feeling

"Yay, let's all be communists now!"</sarcasm>

If I hadn't vowed to be nice with newbies, I would be ranting at the inabilities of some people to understand the basics of economics...

As a member of FAIRTRADE (http://s12.invisionfree.com/FAIRTRADE/index.php?act=idx), Ceorana vehemently opposes this resolution.

As someone who despises illegal resolutions I also vehemently oppose this resolution.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Smeltzington, your proposal shouldn't be listed in a separate thread.

In future refer ALL your ideas to the thread 'Silly Proposals: THE RETURN'.

Many Thanks,

The State of Georgia.

Your proposal obviously isn't going to ever be a resloution, and i doubt it will ever even be voted on. Nobody is going to go against capitalism because so many people in the UN have capitalistic soceities. Even societies that aren't capitalist, they too might not agree with the issue since they'll believe it's a nations choice on what kind of nation to run.

Took this from Smeltzington's own region's forum;

Lodged From Message
17 hours ago The Commonwealth of Smeltzington So guys, what should our first action as a region be?
14 hours ago The People's Republic of Kerblagahstan Build up a supply of nuclear weapons and use them as a threat against all who challenge us.
14 hours ago The Commonwealth of Smeltzington Not sure if we can do that, but I did submit an anti capitalism proposal to the UN.

I am ashamed to say that up until 5 days ago this nut was part of my own great region of Gatesville (not to imply I founded it because I didn't [it was Gates the God])

Hmm...

"RECOGNIZING that capitalism tends to favor wealthy, create caste systems/social classes and makes it more difficult for the poor to rise economically."

Substitute "communism" for "capitalism" and "[the] wealthy" for "the ideological sycophantic" and that statement will start to make sense.

Needless to say, *way* opposed.

Fred Nicht
Chairman
Hagenia Chamber of Commerce

Smeltzington, your proposal shouldn't be listed in a separate thread.

In future refer ALL your ideas to the thread 'Silly Proposals: THE RETURN'.

Many Thanks,

The State of Georgia.

Um.......Who was the last person to submit their own proposal to "Silly Proposals"?

Communism does the same thing. Instead of rich people, you get senior bureaucrats in charge. Try a different system. Both are hierarchal systems based on top down control by a strong centralized ideology.

Forgotten nomads, or something...

Words fail me so I can only...* SHUDDER!!!*

Excelsior,
Sen Horatio Sulla

Communism does the same thing. Instead of rich people, you get senior bureaucrats in charge. Try a different system. Both are hierarchal systems based on top down control by a strong centralized ideology.Not true communism, you're reffering to Soviet/Cuban communism. True communism isn't like that at all.

Still, I'm personally a free trade nut, so communism != good.

Sorry, against this proposal. I'm for capitalism, and against communismand/or any form socialism.
Maybe a tweak in allowing some formof Democratic Socialism, or Social Democracy would bring some chance of consideration.

This is a bad proposal and as a previous post stated, you should remove it before a moderator sees it.

It is beyond the scope of the NSUN to condemn any political systems and/or economic systems and therefore even if it somehow gets enough delegate support to go into line to be voted on, then it will still be removed once it is spotted, and your nation will receive a strike against you.

Besides, capitalism is no more corrupt than any other political system. Sure communism in theory is the best system, but that's theory and the reality is that a true communist economy as laid out by the communist manifesto is impossible to achieve. Those who enforce these systems have absolute power, which corrupts and inevitably leads to the warping of the system to the benefit of those in charge.

However this point is moot because this proposal will never be voted on, nor will any like it. Also it is not my place to tell you what system of government/economy you should have. Just like it is not the place of any NSUN member to dictate these to others.

Good day to you.

[EDIT] From the Rules for UN proposals:

Ideological Bans

Okay, so you hate capitalism. That's nice, but you can't ban it. Just like you can't ban communism, socialism, democracy, dictatorships, conservatives, liberals, Christians, atheist, or any other political, religious, or economic ideology. While it should go without saying, this is up to the Game Moderator's discretion. You may consider the banning of slavery an oppression of your "economic ideology", we do not.

It is beyond the scope of the NSUN to condemn any political systems
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I sure will be, once it comes up for voting. Citizen Rule Required also (in my opinion) violates the scope of the NSUN power. I was surprised that it actually made it through to become a resolution, but I suppose that it was put into effect before the current guidelines were in place. It is our duty to remove this "resolution" from the books as it goes against everything the NSUN stands for.

As some of my people say:
Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations

This is the perfect motto for our UN as it exemplifies how all nations and races can come together in this organisation to work together for a better world for all. Eliminating some of this diversity limits the ability of the whole to function and will result in fewer nations having the desire to be a member.

Though the Nation of Ginet agrees that capitalism is a flawed system, we support a nation's right to choose it, therefore we oppose this resolution.

This resolution is definitely a good idea, but unfortunately, it would never pass. In addition, the finer points are not fleshed out (such as an effective definition of "capitalism"), so the potential for abuse of such an article is extremely high.

The proposal is illegal due to ideological bans. We don't need to keep questioning the value of such a proposal or how effective it'll be. It's illegal, it'll never survive quarom, end of discussion!

Besides, capitalism is no more corrupt than any other political system. Eh, capitalism is an economic system, not a political system.

But it's nice to see delegates admitting that capitalism can be quite corrupt.