NationStates Jolt Archive

Good Evening, all. Tonight I shall like to share with you a little observation I've made via the exceptionally useful NSTracker (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/) utility.

On April 14th, my country of 6.67 billion joined the UN as a means of fighting off an invasion of my home region. I've had NSTracker following my national progress for some months now, and the results are staggering.

Fig. 1: Exchange Rate (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/graph.php?nation=bretton&viewchart=exc)

Fig. 2: GDP (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/graph.php?nation=bretton&viewchart=gdp)

Fig. 3: GDP Per Capita (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/graph.php?nation=bretton&viewchart=gdppc)

Fig. 4: Unemplyoment (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/graph.php?nation=bretton&viewchart=unemp)

Fig. 5: Government Waste (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/graph.php?nation=bretton&viewchart=budbad)

Further figures can be found by inputting my nation into the NSTracker entry.

These figures are mind-boggling. If one would compare them to similar charts of the United States Great Depression, they look shockingly similar to the 1929 figures. It'll be at least another three days, possibly four, before I can get out of the UN (a conservative estimate as to when we'll have the power to finally purge the invaders from our region). Will the United Nations drive me into my own 'Great Depression' before then?

With that in mind, I would welcome any long-time UN member to convince me that these are good figures, and my UN membership is beneficial to my country. As is, the NS UN strikes me as being about as useless as the real UN. I will keep an open mind, however, if someone would like to prove me wrong.

Thanks for your time.

Good Evening, all. Tonight I shall like to share with you a little observation I've made via the exceptionally useful NSTracker (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/) utility.

On April 14th, my country of 6.67 billion joined the UN as a means of fighting off an invasion of my home region. I've had NSTracker following my national progress for some months now, and the results are staggering.

Fig. 1: Exchange Rate (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/graph.php?nation=bretton&viewchart=exc)

Fig. 2: GDP (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/graph.php?nation=bretton&viewchart=gdp)

Fig. 3: GDP Per Capita (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/graph.php?nation=bretton&viewchart=gdppc)

Fig. 4: Unemplyoment (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/graph.php?nation=bretton&viewchart=unemp)

Fig. 5: Government Waste (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/graph.php?nation=bretton&viewchart=budbad)

Further figures can be found by inputting my nation into the NSTracker entry.

These figures are mind-boggling. If one would compare them to similar charts of the United States Great Depression, they look shockingly similar to the 1929 figures. It'll be at least another three days, possibly four, before I can get out of the UN (a conservative estimate as to when we'll have the power to finally purge the invaders from our region). Will the United Nations drive me into my own 'Great Depression' before then?

With that in mind, I would welcome any long-time UN member to convince me that these are good figures, and my UN membership is beneficial to my country. As is, the NS UN strikes me as being about as useless as the real UN. I will keep an open mind, however, if someone would like to prove me wrong.

Thanks for your time.

Bretton street crash!

Let's it doesn't cause a Nationstates wide depression.

Good Evening, all. Tonight I shall like to share with you a little observation I've made via the exceptionally useful NSTracker (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/) utility.

On April 14th, my country of 6.67 billion joined the UN as a means of fighting off an invasion of my home region. I've had NSTracker following my national progress for some months now, and the results are staggering.

Fig. 1: Exchange Rate (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/graph.php?nation=bretton&viewchart=exc)

Fig. 2: GDP (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/graph.php?nation=bretton&viewchart=gdp)

Fig. 3: GDP Per Capita (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/graph.php?nation=bretton&viewchart=gdppc)

Fig. 4: Unemplyoment (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/graph.php?nation=bretton&viewchart=unemp)

Fig. 5: Government Waste (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/graph.php?nation=bretton&viewchart=budbad)

Further figures can be found by inputting my nation into the NSTracker entry.

These figures are mind-boggling. If one would compare them to similar charts of the United States Great Depression, they look shockingly similar to the 1929 figures. It'll be at least another three days, possibly four, before I can get out of the UN (a conservative estimate as to when we'll have the power to finally purge the invaders from our region). Will the United Nations drive me into my own 'Great Depression' before then?

With that in mind, I would welcome any long-time UN member to convince me that these are good figures, and my UN membership is beneficial to my country. As is, the NS UN strikes me as being about as useless as the real UN. I will keep an open mind, however, if someone would like to prove me wrong.

Thanks for your time.These figures do not justify anything. You've not stated if you handled any issues in that time. Good management of issues can easily compensate for any negatives the UN might cause, or can contribute further.

Looking at the tracker, it does not look as if any issues were addressed. But to be honest, your stats are nothing to shout about. My population is about 2 billion less than yours, and I have a GDP higher than you. That's not the UN's fault.

If you want a decent economy, kill the income tax rate. Don't blame the UN and a single resolution. Sure, it affected your economy, but that's so easily fixed. Other resolutions have positive effects on economies, and you have not experienced that.

In summary:
A) your economy was not really that great in the first place
B) you have only been a member for a very short time and cannot make a qualified observation based on one observation. Describing this as a "comprehensive" study is a misnomer.

Um...no resolutions have passed since April 14.

This isn't the UN's doing - you've obviously chosen an anti-economy issue option.

Um...no resolutions have passed since April 14.

This isn't the UN's doing - you've obviously chosen an anti-economy issue option.:p

I hadn't even looked at the date.:)

Great work, Bretton. Your analysis of the UN looks about as comprehensive as Monsanto's for their milk.

When you join the UN, all previous resolutions go into effect. That's what I've been told, anyway.

Furthermore, I've intentionally let my nation sit around for those days; I've picked decisions to no issues.

If the UN isn't doing it, and I'm not doing it, what is? Pixies? o_O

When you join the UN, all previous resolutions go into effect. That's what I've been told, anyway.

Furthermore, I've intentionally let my nation sit around for those days; I've picked decisions to no issues.

If the UN isn't doing it, and I'm not doing it, what is? Pixies? o_O
Simply joining the UN shouldn't have any affect on your stats... how odd.

When you join the UN, all previous resolutions go into effect. That's what I've been told, anyway.
That's only in roleplay. Otherwise new nations joining would instantly have Frightening Civil Freedoms.

Simply joining the UN shouldn't have any affect on your stats... how odd.
It's particular bizarre that NSTracker shows a large fall in GDP when his economy is still Frightening - the highest setting.

When you join the UN, all previous resolutions go into effect.

Yes....and no

When it comes to gameplay, no

When it comes to roleplay, yes

When it comes to NStracker, you're looking at gameplay issues

So... again, if this is a gameplay issue, and the UN isn't responsible for it, what is? I'm still baffled.

Failing to answer issues can drain your economy. Hitting the wrong button accidentally on an issue might result in it actually being legislated on. An issue that doesn't look remotely like it will address economy may, in fact, have an effect on the economy that you never considered.

There are so many variables that the stat trackers show no conclusions about the power of the UN. Either way, at the end of the day, you can pass 10 issues for every resolution. If the UN is truly responsible for the collapse of your economy, it's not the fault of the UN, it's the fault of your own laziness.

I click "dismiss" to my issues. How is that a failure on my part? Every time I have asked in the past, dismissing issues has no effect on your statistics. And somehow, my GDP has dropped nearly 20% since April 14th, the same time I joined the UN.

To say this is 'my fault' strikes me as being dense. My laziness, you say? Huh.

:rolleyes:

You just proved my point. Re-read my statement again and see if you can put the pieces together.

You said "failing to answer issues."

Difference.

Dismiss = not answering, only cycling them.

So, you're telling me that, as I know it, dismissing an issue is more damaging than letting it sit in your issues box? Contradictory to everything I've ever been told about how dismissing issues works in this game?

Without addressing anything else in this thread ...

Dismissing issues is identical to having issues turned off. Neither has any effect on your stats. Period. Issues only affect your nation when you choose an option.

So, you're telling me that, as I know it, dismissing an issue is more damaging than letting it sit in your issues box? Contradictory to everything I've ever been told about how dismissing issues works in this game?

No - I'm saying it is equivelent to letting it sit in your issues box. Your economy and national stats wane if you leave them alone to their own devices. Legislation breathes new life into your nation.

No - I'm saying it is equivelent to letting it sit in your issues box. Your economy and national stats wane if you leave them alone to their own devices. Legislation breathes new life into your nation.
Do they? I didn't think stats changed if you didn't answer issues.

And so, by not answering issues for three days, 20% of my economy goes into the toilet, my unemployment doubles, government waste quadruples, and so forth?

I've never noticed this sort of trend before. Like when setting my country to vacation mode as I'll be unable to access it for like a week.

Damn, if turning issues off for three days keeled a quarter of my nation, there wouldn't be anything left when I got back.

Sorry, I'm not buying it.

And so, by not answering issues for three days, 20% of my economy goes into the toilet, my unemployment doubles, government waste quadruples, and so forth?

I've never noticed this sort of trend before. Like when setting my country to vacation mode as I'll be unable to access it for like a week.

Damn, if turning issues off for three days keeled a quarter of my nation, there wouldn't be anything left when I got back.

Sorry, I'm not buying it.

Even worse! AFAIK, issues don't update on the weekend, so that happened with ONE day of issues! :eek:

Do they? I didn't think stats changed if you didn't answer issues.

I've been watching Angel Fire's stats for a while. Haven't answered issues in a looooong time, and my economy is slowly shrinking.

I've been watching Angel Fire's stats for a while. Haven't answered issues in a looooong time, and my economy is slowly shrinking.
Fris hath decreed it ain't so. Not answering issues didn't affect my puppet, Werteswandel.

I've had issues turned off on all my nations, bar one, for a long time, and there hasn't been any stat changes at all on any of them.

Must admit though, I don't put any faith at all in these economy trackers, because they aren't an official part of the game, and I suspect more than a bit of their "calculations" are just pure guess work. Compared two of them a few months ago and they gave vastly different results on the same nation at the same time.

because they aren't an official part of the game, and I suspect more than a bit of their "calculations" are just pure guess work.

Now there is the brunt of the problem. Angel Fire's official stats within the game show absolutely no change, but you can watch the per-capita GDP slowly shrink as time goes on - and I think it translated to an increase in total GDP overall. However, if you look at the XML feed - that data isn't there. The entire basis of all these calculations is your status in the 3 categories and your percentages for each department (including tax). Corruption, unemployment, etc all are derived values.

So - now we get to the real source of the problem

I bet you're right that your stats dropped because you entered the UN. However, it's not because the game stats changed. Oh no, the game stats probably didn't even blink and the XML feed probably only changed in one area: what your position is within the UN. Boom - the creators of NSTracker and NSEconomy went "oh, you're in the UN and the UN is anti-business so obviously, your GDP per capita is going to be hammered" and it translated to a false drop in your stats. I wouldn't be surprised if they have modifiers put in place for every single resolution that's ever passed, and since Environmental resolutions outweight Free Trade and no industrial promotion resolutions have been passed yet, you're seeing a net negative effect on your economy. The problem with that system, though, is that the stats are automatically changed each time a new resolution passes - so they're double changing your stats. Does that make sense?

If you want to run on guesstimate work as a reason to take the UN and beat it around for being anti-business, don't blame us. We didn't build those calculators.

To make sure we're clear, this is all the information the calculator is given:

−
<NATIONINFO>
<NAME>Bretton</NAME>
<TYPE>Armed Fortress State</TYPE>
<FULLNAME>The Armed Fortress State of Bretton</FULLNAME>
<MOTTO>We Kill For Peace</MOTTO>
<CATEGORY>Compulsory Consumerist State</CATEGORY>
<UNSTATUS>UN Delegate</UNSTATUS>
−
<FREEDOM>
<CIVILRIGHTS>Excellent</CIVILRIGHTS>
<ECONOMY>Frightening</ECONOMY>
<POLITICALFREEDOM>Outlawed</POLITICALFREEDOM>
</FREEDOM>
<REGION>Coronado</REGION>
<POPULATION>6674</POPULATION>
<TAX>100</TAX>
<ANIMAL>falcon</ANIMAL>
<CURRENCY>jion</CURRENCY>
−
<FLAG>
http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/bretton.jpg
</FLAG>
<MAJORINDUSTRY>Uranium Mining</MAJORINDUSTRY>
<GOVTPRIORITY>Defence</GOVTPRIORITY>
−
<GOVT>
<ADMINISTRATION>0%</ADMINISTRATION>
<WELFARE>0%</WELFARE>
<HEALTHCARE>4%</HEALTHCARE>
<EDUCATION>0%</EDUCATION>
<SPIRITUALITY>1%</SPIRITUALITY>
<DEFENCE>48%</DEFENCE>
<LAWANDORDER>33%</LAWANDORDER>
<COMMERCE>11%</COMMERCE>
<PUBLICTRANSPORT>4%</PUBLICTRANSPORT>
<ENVIRONMENT>0%</ENVIRONMENT>
<SOCIALEQUALITY>0%</SOCIALEQUALITY>
</GOVT>
<FOUNDED>0</FOUNDED>
<FIRSTLOGIN>0</FIRSTLOGIN>
<LASTLOGIN>1145315782</LASTLOGIN>
<LASTACTIVITY>3 hours ago</LASTACTIVITY>
</NATIONINFO>

Draw your own conclusions

Even worse! AFAIK, issues don't update on the weekend, so that happened with ONE day of issues! :eek:

How often and when you get issues depend upon your settings. I, for instance, have mine set to get two per day, including the weekends.

How often and when you get issues depend upon your settings. I, for instance, have mine set to get two per day, including the weekends.

Thanks! I missed the settings for weekends.