NationStates Jolt Archive

My friends and brothers in arms, it has come to the attention of the leader that a large store of firearms is being made readily available for the citizens of our nations. Due to this the crime rates in our nations have been rising. This is not to overlook the level of policing, or freedoms which many of your citizens enjoy, but a safer future is at stake if guns are not taken off the streets and put into the hands of the government, where they rightfully belong.

Esteemed Rudcruz, I see no reasoning behind your claim that guns should be restricted for exclusive government use. UN research has shown that guns only increase the lethality of crime, not the actual level of crime. People will always find a way to commit crimes and kill one another. And what if a government becomes corrupt or falls before the might of a superior millitary power? Should the people not have the right to protect themselves?

I respectfully oppose your call for the restriction of a perfectly logical freedom in all UN member nations.

Guns only in the hands of government...*SHUDDER!!!*

Gun out of the reach of all decent, law-abiding, and FREEDOM loving citizens...*MASSIVE SHUDDER!!!*

I'm sorry, but no thank you. I want my shooting iron handy, in case I need to use it against any Invading RedCoats, godless commie hordes, or evil criminal perps.
Excelsior,
Sen. Horatio Sulla

I do not see the logic behind this, if someone where to try and hold you at gun point would it not be best to have your own gun to hold at the others head so that way you can defent yourself? Just because we outlaw guns to the civilians that doesn't mean they will never get ahold of a firearm. You are asking us to re-create something like when the US outlawed the distribution of alcohol, sure it sounded good but in the end it just turned everyone into criminals since they had been allowed to freely drink for so long and now you want to come in a belive everyone will have the same viewpoint without revolting?

It was a good idea i am sure at first but i do not think it would make it in the long run!

The only form of gun control we support is being able to hit where you aim.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

If you lived in Gruenberg, who would you rather had the guns: you, or the government?

but a safer future is at stake if guns are not taken off the streets and put into the hands of the government, where they rightfully belong.


Trouble is citizens elect, in most nations, those government officials that would have control of those guns once they get collected. I'd rather have some kind of chance of correcting election errors, so will keep guns in hands of citizens. Also it helps keep crooks/politicians honest knowing citizens have something to use to make a point when they try to abuse citizens.


Also if you lack the ability to control guns in your own borders then how can you believe your governent holding all of them can do any better.. than you are now.?

Is this in relation to a UN proposal, or a draft thereof? Otherwise, I would suggest NS, or perhaps Gameplay.

Guns only in the hands of government...*SHUDDER!!!*

Gun out of the reach of all decent, law-abiding, and FREEDOM loving citizens...*MASSIVE SHUDDER!!!*

I'm sorry, but no thank you. I want my shooting iron handy, in case I need to use it against any Invading RedCoats, godless commie hordes, or evil criminal perps.
Excelsior,
Sen. Horatio Sulla

I'd like to inform the Senator that whilst the Republic of Compadria may be proto-communist, we are by no means Godless, as evidenced by our millenia old worship of otters.

Quite frankly, I don't trust my fellow citizens enough to believe that they will use a firearm responsibly or that they will respect the required laws of purchase and usage. Therefore, I place my faith in the government any day.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you all.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

My friends would you not agree that by giving our citezens weapons, and allowing them to do with them as they wish, is dangerous to the greatest degree. Of course guns are not the only thing that contribute to crime, but also the violent nature of certain people who roam the streets of ur cities. Would you not agree that revolutionaries, gangs, and any madman would be less dangerous without a firearm, much easier to bring under control. Taking complete control over these weapons would keep our citezens from dying faster. Maybe you should all reconsider your policies on law and order.

-Decreed by the Leader
"All power and Glory be unto him"

1. Again, does this relate to a planned/submitted proposal? If not, I'm afraid you're in the wrong forum.

2. This is one of the topics that gets done to death around here. I find it highly unlikely that there will ever be a consensus on this matter, or any number of other matters (abortion, euthanasia etc....).

This is indeed an argument for a proposal to tighten gun control laws.

-Decreed by the great leader
"All power and glory be unto him"

"Peace out yal!"
- Viceroy Altinus Maximus

There is a dire flaw in your argument for tightening gun control laws. You said:

"My friends would you not agree that by giving our citezens weapons, and allowing them to do with them as they wish, is dangerous to the greatest degree."

I do not recall any nation anywhere allowing their populace to "do with (guns) as they wish". In fact, UN Nations are subject to UN Resolution #53, "Universal Freedom of Choice", §4-5a, which explicitly states:

"4) Expresses its conviction that individuals should not be judged by society for the decisions they make, provided these decisions meet the condition set in Clause 5a of this document

5) Declares and enshrines in law the freedom of all people to make choices according to their own conscience, particularly with regard to their philosophy of life, social/cultural development and awareness of the world, without unreasonable interference from the State, subject to the following limitations:

a) The decisions taken do not directly inflict physical harm on the individual making them or physical or psychological harm on others; where this is the case, normal criminal law of the country in question applies"

Civilian gun possession does not violate UN law, and is actually protected by UN Resolution #53. Using a gun to "directly inflict physical . . . or psychological harm" is subject to the rules and regulations of each individual UN nation.

Furthermore, a proposal such as yours that would require the return of large number of guns in nations that already allow civilian gun possession could potentially start civil wars, with the populace fighting on the side of a UN dictated freedom. That is not a good stance for any government to have under UN scrutiny.

Again, I respectfully oppose your resolution proposal.

My nation shall NEVER support any form of gun control when it pertains to the private ownership of firearms by the civilian population of my nation. My nation requires that ALL law abiding citizens of sound mind and character maintain at least one firearm per adult in the home for protection and emergency militia duties.

Gun Control... NEVER! Not in The Kingdom of Skalds!

Imperial Leader
The Kingdom of Skalds

This is one of the topics that gets done to death around here. I find it highly unlikely that there will ever be a consensus on this matter, or any number of other matters (abortion, euthanasia etc....).
The last time we discussed such a topic, many suggested that in such an instance, the decision should then be delegated to the individual, and not the state, level.

I hope they will be sticking to this line in this case, too.

I can understand why you would want to give your citezens the right to have firearms, personal protection, but also to give them a great sense of political freedom. If I may I would like to redirect my statement. I can see how the action of taking these weapons away from citezens who already own them, may start a civil revolt, or even worse a civil war. Maybe not remove weapons from the hands of the people, but make it harder to purchase and deal firearms. If proper adress is given, it is completely understandible. I'm very sorry for any resent, or misunderstanding this may have caused. Rudcruz wishes to give its ideas in the betterment of all nations.

-Decreed by the great leader
"All power and glory be unto him"

-Directed by the Censor, Grevas Artrayn
and the Viceroy, Altinus Maximus

If you lived in Gruenberg, who would you rather had the guns: you, or the government?

Looking at the last election results in the Sultinate, mate, no offense, but I'd prefer to keep my shooting irons.

We feel that the issue of gun control is not one lends itself to simple solutions. Gun control will be effective and desirable in some countries but certainly not all; likewise deregulation of gun laws.

Ecopoeia's national government doesn't legislate on this issue, preferring to defer to local levels of administration. We will oppose any attempt to impose an international standard.

Lata Chakrabarti
Speaker to the UN

The last time we discussed such a topic, many suggested that in such an instance, the decision should then be delegated to the individual, and not the state, level.

I hope they will be sticking to this line in this case, too.

We prefer that, in such instances, that this international body defer to national governments first.

Very well my friends.
. A final acknowledgement, to agree that the issue of gun control should be regarded to the individual nation and not the majority state, as this would limit individual authority and freedom to a great degree. This would most likely be followed by civil revolt, or even and armed uprising.

-Decreed by the great leader
"All power and glory be unto him"

"Peace out yal!"
-Viceroy Altinus MAximus

Um...what?

Um...what?


Think they trying to say 'I can't take all this heat so will just step out'.. As seems this one subject when comes up meets with many views...