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1. We have earth in common. We must respect the natural ecosystems.

We depend upon earth for survival. Without earth's cooperation there

is no discussion because there are no people.

...and?

In the fine land that is Cobdenia, the year is 1931. Thus, I will be dead by the time you lot are all drowning.

Do I have kids? Yes, I do. Hundreds of them; what do you expect, I went to an all girls bording school by mistake! Do I care about of them? I couldn't give a stuff. The buggers are a nuisence, and they're always trying to get money out off me because there overly educated mothers were unable to find a bally husband because they acted like complete sluts when they were at school. The buggers can drown when the sea levels rise for all I care.


Sir Cyril MacLehose-Strangways-Jones, KCRC, LOG

OoC: Computer says no...

Why do people constantly complain about the horrors of earth's climate and yet they don't make a single effort to build a suitable spaceship? How irrational of them.

Kenji Miyamoto
Research Director, Guild of Paladins
Republic of Krioval

and .....

it is really quite simple..

The rest is up to all of us....

We either respect our commonly shared environment or we do not.

In this country we value a food supply.

We need land to grow food that will feed our country.

In this country we value clean air to breath.

We have never had a case of cancer or asthma or any of the diseases that affect polluted countries.

In this country our water supply is clean and safe to drink.

We only use what we need. And everything we need is already here.

Our forrests are ancient and healthy.

And our view of the night's sky is brilliant!

and further more... If every nation decided to accept this pact..
It would mean that governments valued earth and there could never be another war. War is a blatent disreguard for the earth we inhabit.

Building a space ship will do you no good once you run out of fuel, food and air. It also might become kinda boring on that space craft too...

This is all very fine, agreeable philosophising JoyLovesPeace, but could you kindly explain what your point is for the benefit of us representatives and delegates on a slightly less abstract level of thinking.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

We think JoyLovesPeace could use a CPESL branch in its capital...

1. We have earth in common. We must respect the natural ecosystems.

We depend upon earth for survival. Without earth's cooperation there

is no discussion because there are no people.


A very nice sentiment. Now what?

And what about the nations that aren't located on an 'Earth'?

A very nice sentiment. Now what?

Now we all put on hemp sandals, hold hands, and sing "Kumbayah."

and .....

it is really quite simple..

Good.

The rest is up to all of us....

Alright...

We either respect our commonly shared environment or we do not.
A simplistic view, but viable. So?

In this country we value a food supply.

Eating is good for you.

We need land to grow food that will feed our country.

There are alternative to landspace, but I'll go along for now.

In this country we value clean air to breath.

Your lungs probably appreciate that.

We have never had a case of cancer or asthma or any of the diseases that affect polluted countries.

That's spectacular! A little dubious, as pollution isn't the only cause of many of those diseases, but we'll let that slide for now.

In this country our water supply is clean and safe to drink.

Good. We have water purifiers too.

We only use what we need. And everything we need is already here.
So you won't be needing anything from us then...

Our forrests are ancient and healthy.

This is turning into a marvelous tourism or immigration pamphlet, isn't it?

And our view of the night's sky is brilliant!

Ahhhh but you should see how the sunset in Kivisto is so surreally beautiful as the last rays of the sun really catch the ever so slightly glowing fogs.

and further more... If every nation decided to accept this pact..

What Pact? There's a statement that you love the planet and think we should too, and that's fine. There is nothing that asks, requests, pleads, demands, or otherwise instigates or incites anything of any nature. Statements aren't pacts, no matter how well intentioned or fluffy they are.

It would mean that governments valued earth and there could never be another war.

There could be, we would just have to be eco-friendly about it all. That is of course assuming that there was anything in this too stop us from violating mother earth anyways, which there isn't, anyways, so the point is moot.

War is a blatent disreguard for the earth we inhabit.

No. War is a blatant disregard for the opposing side's right to life and to exist. Using tactics that damage the planet is a blatant disregard for the planet we inhabit. If I shoot you and leave your body there to decompose into compost while your blood runs out to refertilize the soil, I've actually done the earth a favour by increasing the viability of that piece of land. If I do this on a grand enough scale, say, your entire populace, the land would become so arable you'd have to nuke it to stop anything from growing. Mother Nature would love us for it. In fact, that's the best thing we could do for Her, really. Sacrifice ourselves in the name of beautifying the planet and let nature run its course without the infestation of humanoid beasts running all over the surface, despoiling the fields, poisoning the waters, extracting her treasures from her body, and filthying up her skies.

Building a space ship will do you no good once you run out of fuel, food and air. It also might become kinda boring on that space craft too...

I think the idea here was that we set out for another planet to do the same to it that we've done here. With proper foresight, planning, and engineering, the spacecraft could be completely self sufficient and more than a little entertaining. Heck, with the proper incentive, you could probably even get a CPESL branch stationed on board.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f105/juhanikivisto/defcontag-A.jpg

*snip*

Heck, with the proper incentive, you could probably even get a CPESL branch stationed on board.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f105/juhanikivisto/defcontag-A.jpg

CPESL needs precious little incentive to extend its reach. ;)

Now we all put on hemp sandals, hold hands, and sing "Kumbayah."

But we'd have to harm the hemp plants to make the sandals. And you really don't want to hear me sing. WOW. Talk about noise pollution.:p

Kivisto, you win the internets.

Hey Cluich, in retrospect, doesn't it sound very much like JLP is incredibly "environmentally significant". Just a thought.

Hey Cluich, in retrospect, doesn't it sound very much like JLP is incredibly "environmentally significant". Just a thought.

Oooooh...

Hey Cluich, in retrospect, doesn't it sound very much like JLP is incredibly "environmentally significant". Just a thought.
Hey, if my genitals can be considered "environmentally singificant then I'd say that JLP certanly falls under that category too.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Great responses^^^^ I have no more words left.

I am laughing way to hard right now.

Peace out ;>


Oh if sandals harmed the hemp.. I guess smoking the hemp is out as well ????

Okay, statements are not pacts...

Unless, agreed upon. Isn't that how they become a pact?

What our country is asking from all involved countries of this earth and beyond is to consider protecting our natural environment.

Consider finding ways to grow your economies while coexisting with the environment.

What that entails really is up to each individual representitive of every nation.

If perhaps we might find a common bond that we all depend upon our environment for survival we have agreed upon something.



It seems that some countries put economies ahead of survival.

And what we here are trying to bring to the table is that in the long scheme of things really.. You can wipe your ass with your peice of crummy money!

Yes, perhaps our nation is abstract and fluff in our approach.

However, I see that some of you do realize the vicious cycle.

If the environment is something every living creature has in common.

Our country pleads with the intelligence of all nations in alliance to make it a issue of significant thought.

That is all.

Discuss it.

Think about it.

Figure it out.

Please.

We are affected by what you decide to do.

It is really collectively up to all of us in some small way to make a Earth Pact everyone can be comfortable with.

I would much prefer it if we negotiate saving forrests and ecosystems than plotting which land could have the best resort!

And as for shooting me and letting my blood drain into the land....
That isn't very nice. Death comes on its own without violence.
That's why there are viruses, predators and such..

We don't need to kill each other to save the earth.
That is crazy! LOL ;>

Okay, statements are not pacts...

You're right. So why did you give us 3 statements and call it a pact?

Unless, agreed upon. Isn't that how they become a pact?

No, statements are still not pacts. Agreed upon documents saying what nations will do if they agree to it are pacts.

What our country is asking from all involved countries of this earth and beyond is to consider protecting our natural environment.

Essays aren't allowed as proposals, last I checked. What you have isn't even an essay. Heck, you don't even have a complete argument

Consider finding ways to grow your economies while coexisting with the environment.

You didn't say that

What that entails really is up to each individual representitive of every nation.

You didn't say that either

If perhaps we might find a common bond that we all depend upon our environment for survival we have agreed upon something.

There are probably a few nations that would disagree with you about that one.

It seems that some countries put economies ahead of survival.

Ok.....

And what we here are trying to bring to the table is that in the long scheme of things really.. You can wipe your ass with your peice of crummy money!

This makes absolutely no sense

Yes, perhaps our nation is abstract and fluff in our approach.

Well, you got that one correct

However, I see that some of you do realize the vicious cycle.

Yes

If the environment is something every living creature has in common.

Ok

Our country pleads with the intelligence of all nations in alliance to make it a issue of significant thought.

Alright. So what you have is an argument that you would like to see as the basis of a future proposal. Congratulations.

That is all.

My slider says I'm only halfway through your post so I don't really believe that

Discuss it.

Wow, I was right.

You think we haven't discussed it?

Think about it.

You think we haven't thought about it?

Figure it out.

Alright, you start with an idea, and I'll tell you why we already thought of it and rejected it outright.

Please.

Uh huh?

We are affected by what you decide to do.

I'm well aware of that

It is really collectively up to all of us in some small way to make a Earth Pact everyone can be comfortable with.

HAHAHAHA

We couldn't get unanimous support on pediophilia or female genital mutilation. What in the world is going to unite us on an issue where a large percentage think there is no issue, its just fear mongering while another percentage is going "we're screwed anyways so why should I change my habits?"

I would much prefer it if we negotiate saving forrests and ecosystems than plotting which land could have the best resort!

I don't think any of us have mentioned having a resort. Having a spot to actually work...ok, we've discussed that in great detail. However, we sure as heck haven't been talking about resorts.

And as for shooting me and letting my blood drain into the land....
That isn't very nice. Death comes on its own without violence.
That's why there are viruses, predators and such..

Um.....ok

We don't need to kill each other to save the earth.
That is crazy! LOL ;>

Actually, I think it would be a marvelously effective idea.

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There have been several resolutions passed by this body at various points throughout our history that address the environment. Unfortunately, they have not nearly been as well thought out as they should've been. Thus, we have been repealing these resolutions not because we're putting priority to business over the environment, but because they were absolute crap and fail to even CONSIDER the realities of the world. My favorite, by far, is Promotion of Solar Panels. Amazingly well meaningful resolution. However, it failed to consider concepts such as solar panels actually produce a heck of a lot of pollution to produce and are extremely expensive to make. Add on that you're forcing 30,000 nations to acquire them, the cost of each unit would skyrocket. This isn't just a little bit of sacrificing the economy in the name of the environment, this is imploding the economy of third world nations to impossible to recover positions and making first world nations have extensive difficulty trying to meet the needs of their citizens. It also didn't think it through well enough when it considered things like automobiles or airplanes.

We have an organization devoted to dealing with issues of the environment. We have at least 2 resolutions sitting in some form of draft state or another (one ready for submission, the other in first-draft) under construction for environmental consideration.

I think its an insult that you would come here with 3 lines of text that make no sense and then give some long admonishment towards us about not thinking about the environment. You've been posting for a week and you dare assume you know what we have and haven't thought about?

This is a legislative body. If you have legislation, present it. If you have ideas of possible things we can do, present them and we can start working on an actual draft. If all you have is "we should think about this", we have other things we could do. We are thinking about it, we are coming up with solutions, and we are writing resolutions for them.

Consider finding ways to grow your economies while coexisting with the environment.Patently absurd and hollow. Of course we coexist with the environment. We're part of said environment, what else can we do? Even if we're burning the forests and their ramparts, we're still coexisting.

What that entails really is up to each individual representitive of every nation.We're used to the UN coming up with vapid Resolutions, but this is great! If every Resolution was this limp and toothless, we might even consider thinking about rejoining.

If perhaps we might find a common bond that we all depend upon our environment for survival we have agreed upon something.Um... what?

It seems that some countries put economies ahead of survival.Nah. It's more a matter of being unable to survive without a strong economy. If you want to be a poor subsistance farmer, that's your business. I'll stick with my stock options, thankyouverymuch.

You can wipe your ass with your peice of crummy money!Er... no I can't. The Hack's "crummy money" is entirely electronic. What? You still use paper? Tree killer!

Yes, perhaps our nation is abstract and fluff in our approach."Perhaps"?

Our country pleads with the intelligence of all nations in alliance to make it a issue of significant thought.So... you just string words together and hope they make sense, huh?

- Dargan Zaraad; Office of Unofficial Official Statements
The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

Why don't you explain to us the proper policy and procedure accepted by this UN.

Where might we find your policy and procedure manual for coming up with the correct form for wording documents?

We want to see a Earth Pact created. It is possible!



If Any of the countires feel that ridding yourselves from the earth would be the best option. Then please do so already!

For the countries that have discussed this issue and given up hope on it...
please revisit this concept. Perhaps, something has been overlooked.

We do not use money in this country. Our country uses trade of skills, goods and services. It works well for us. Without each other's cooperation we could not survive here. Everyone is significant. Every citizen has something to offer.

Which we offer willingly. There is no need for welfare. We look after our own.

We do not hold anything against any countries that do use currency either paper or electronic. That is your choice for your nation! Although, currency is strange to us.

Up until recent years our country did not have to make contact with other countries. We debated about even coming forward with our existance.

We have only come forward because it is our duty to protect our environment.

We cannot force any other nation to adopt our opinions or ways of living.

Creating a Earth Pact is entirely toothless.

Fear is not a tactic we choose to use although we all possess the ability to do so.

This Earth Pact can only become a reality through free will.

You all have a choice to be or not to be. Bring some ideas to the table.

It is the finding of the Senate of the Republic of Krioval that a resolution based entirely on voluntary principles is worthless. If the proposer wishes to make concrete and binding changes to the way industry and large populations coexist with the larger environment, the Senate wishes luck for such an endeavor. Given the state of Krioval and our industrial development, however, it is unlikely that we will sign on to just any such proposal.

Ambassador Yoshi Takahara
Republic of Krioval

Why don't you explain to us the proper policy and procedure accepted by this UN.

Where might we find your policy and procedure manual for coming up with the correct form for wording documents?

We want to see a Earth Pact created. It is possible!

In reply to your first point, I suggest you check the NSwiki site or the stickies at the top of the fora on this board.

In reply to the second point, what pact? There's just sentiment and fuzzy sentiment at that on offer at the moment.

If Any of the countires feel that ridding yourselves from the earth would be the best option. Then please do so already!

Not only does this misrepresent the views of other nations, but it also constitutes something of a threat, which might get you in trouble if the nation happens to belong to a certain defence alliance...

For the countries that have discussed this issue and given up hope on it...
please revisit this concept. Perhaps, something has been overlooked.

The overlooking is entirely on your part I believe.

We do not use money in this country. Our country uses trade of skills, goods and services. It works well for us. Without each other's cooperation we could not survive here. Everyone is significant. Every citizen has something to offer.

Lovely, in Compadria we use electronic money and fibre-glass bank notes, as well as coins of varying metallurgic compositions. What exactly is your point? That we use different systems of finance?

Which we offer willingly. There is no need for welfare. We look after our own.

Doesn't this count as a form of welfare?

We do not hold anything against any countries that do use currency either paper or electronic. That is your choice for your nation! Although, currency is strange to us.

Really? We got rid of the barter economy in our nations 8th century B.C., some 2,800 years ago. We find your charming adherence to a decidedly primitive method of exchange rather strange too, to be honest.

Up until recent years our country did not have to make contact with other countries. We debated about even coming forward with our existance.

You mean you didn't notice our warships operating off your coast? Phew, we were rather worried you'd noticed that...Ah, excuse me, I misspoke.

We have only come forward because it is our duty to protect our environment.

And?

We cannot force any other nation to adopt our opinions or ways of living.

And?

Creating a Earth Pact is entirely toothless.

You're telling us.

Fear is not a tactic we choose to use although we all possess the ability to do so.

Oh please, how much do we have to be afraid of from a nation called "JoyLovesPeace". And isn't that another threat?

This Earth Pact can only become a reality through free will.

Debatable.

You all have a choice to be or not to be. Bring some ideas to the table

Isn't that your job?

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

Why don't you explain to us the proper policy and procedure accepted by this UN.

The stickies have an amazing set of details about the UN, what is accepted, what isn't, and what is generally believed. Start there

Where might we find your policy and procedure manual for coming up with the correct form for wording documents?

Well, if you read the resolution at vote, you'll get a fair idea. But again, the stickies are a good place to start.

We want to see a Earth Pact created. It is possible!

Not the way you're suggesting it. Resolutions are required to at least recommend something (failure to do so means deletion of your proposal) - and many will not support a resolution unless it mandates something

If Any of the countires feel that ridding yourselves from the earth would be the best option. Then please do so already!

Don't say that. Then they're just going to drop nukes on us

For the countries that have discussed this issue and given up hope on it...
please revisit this concept. Perhaps, something has been overlooked.

Again, I find your attitude insulting. No one I've spoken to has given up hope on the matter.

We do not use money in this country. Our country uses trade of skills, goods and services. It works well for us. Without each other's cooperation we could not survive here. Everyone is significant. Every citizen has something to offer.

Congratulations

Which we offer willingly. There is no need for welfare. We look after our own.

Again, congratulations

We do not hold anything against any countries that do use currency either paper or electronic. That is your choice for your nation! Although, currency is strange to us.

Congratulations

Up until recent years our country did not have to make contact with other countries. We debated about even coming forward with our existance.

We wish you had spent some time thinking about what you would say and listening to what we talked about before speaking. We might have started from the basis of a half-decent proposal instead of a pointless "think about this", "We already do".

We have only come forward because it is our duty to protect our environment.

Congratulations

We cannot force any other nation to adopt our opinions or ways of living.

Then you will not save the planet

Creating a Earth Pact is entirely toothless.

Then it will do nothing

Fear is not a tactic we choose to use although we all possess the ability to do so.

Actually, stating "If we do not think about this and do something about it, we'll all die" is a fear tactic.

This Earth Pact can only become a reality through free will.

*will not say it*

You all have a choice to be or not to be. Bring some ideas to the table.

*Growls*

WE HAVE IDEAS. WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THEM. We are working on environmental resolutions. We are discussing environmental considerations. We are looking at what areas the UN can address that will help the environment. We are doing EVERYTHING you are suggesting already!

If you have an idea, present it

If you don't have an idea, then why did you bring this discussion here in the first place?

And if nothing else - STOP the one-sentence per paragraph thing. It is really hard to read

Leouna, part II.

Bahgum agrees, we like earth, it soaks up the dribbles and doesn't show any stains.

"Thank You", for the direction. How do I delete this thread?
I need to learn the format of the board and I do appreciate your patience.