REGIONAL DELEGATES-Gay Rights Legislation Needs YOUR support to reach voting stage
TO ANY NATION WHO'S POLICIES INCLUDE LGBT RIGHTS AND CIVIL RIGHTS PLEASE HELP GET THIS PROPOSAL TO THE FLOOR FOR A VOTE:
http://www.nationstates.net/92416/page=UN_proposal/start=25
Gay Rights
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.
Category: Human Rights
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Markiria
Description: NOTING that all humans were created equal inculding,Straight,Gay,Male,Female
NOTING that gay citizens should be allowed equal rights as every other person.
RELIZING Gay citiznes should be granted
1Gay Marrige
2Gay Adoption(The Child shall deside on their behalf)
3Right to hold public office
4Right to get discounts on things if married
5Right to be respected
STATING Any Un nation will have to right to Allow or Ban any of these ideas by a 2/3 passing vote in their goverment.
CREATING:The GCC (Gay coucil commision) Who will moniter the rights of all gay citizens. And if they find agressive abuse against any gay member of socitey they will alert the Hosting Nation and will try to fix the problem.(Only if a perment is obtained by the Hosting Un nation.
Voting Ends: Tue Mar 14 2006
Gruenberg
12-03-2006, 01:46
Aside from being redundant, and probably the worst written proposal I've ever seen, you're giving homosexuals 'rights' which heterosexuals don't have. I'd prefer some anti-discrimination legislation.
Just because "Gay Rights" was repealed doesnt mean gays arent guaranteed every single right available to heterosexuals, which they are. We are especially worried about your #3 of the "RELIZING" clause, which could easily be misconstrued to mean that any person who is gay is allowed a guaranteed public office position. Also, why do gays deserve "discounts", especially when most heterosexuals don't?
Agreed with Gruen, this is the worst proposal I've ever seen. And I've seen my fair share of bad ones..*looks at Silly Proposals thread*.
Forgottenlands
12-03-2006, 02:24
Markiria - you'll want to request to have this proposal removed. I suggest you start checking legality before you submit a proposal now. It's illegal as shit.
Gay Rights
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.
Category: Human Rights
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Markiria
Description: NOTING that all humans were created equal inculding,Straight,Gay,Male,Female
Far from it. The fact that we're here sitting on the Internet debating politics while others have a hard time understanding the jokes on last night's episode of Friends suggests that we aren't quite equal. Whether we should be given an equal opportunity to live, that's another story completely.
NOTING that gay citizens should be allowed equal rights as every other person.
Grammar is crap even if the sentiment is good.
RELIZING Gay citiznes should be granted
Spell checker, and how do you realize a right should be granted in a resolution? Encourage, grant, mandate - FINE, but realize?
1Gay Marrige
UNR #81: Definition of marriage, amongst others
2Gay Adoption(The Child shall deside on their behalf)
Because a 2 year old has a concept of what a parent is and a 4 year old can decide which type of family they want.
3Right to hold public office
Fine. (Jey, what's wrong with this clause?)
4Right to get discounts on things if married
Um....try "equal rights to heterosexual married couples". Otherwise, you sound like you're giving them special rights
5Right to be respected
Various Anti-discrimination laws - I think UNR 69: Sexes Rights Laws is probably the most relevant to this instance.
STATING Any Un nation will have to right to Allow or Ban any of these ideas by a 2/3 passing vote in their goverment.
Optionality clause, illegal. Seriously, you just permitted nations to outlaw gay rights?
Also, while there is obviously the ability for a dictatorship to still be able to use this (when one person makes all the decisions, his vote counts as 100% of the government), not all UN nations are democracies
CREATING:The GCC (Gay coucil commision) Who will moniter the rights of all gay citizens. And if they find agressive abuse against any gay member of socitey they will alert the Hosting Nation and will try to fix the problem.(Only if a perment is obtained by the Hosting Un nation.
Optionality, UN Police force, how the hell do you fund this, bad grammar, and what is a "perment"?
Voting Ends: Tue Mar 14 2006
I'd be amazed if it is still around on Sun Mar 12 2006
Fine. (Jey, what's wrong with this clause?)
The other four numbers in that set are given unconditionally as long as the person is gay--marriage/adoption/discounts/respect. We feel it could be interpreted that public office could also be given unconditionally to gays, without an election, interview, etc.
Dancing Bananland
12-03-2006, 02:33
CREATING:The GCC (Gay coucil commision) Who will moniter the rights of all gay citizens. And if they find agressive abuse against any gay member of socitey they will alert the Hosting Nation and will try to fix the problem.(Only if a perment is obtained by the Hosting Un nation.
Pardon me if this sounds offensive or ignorant, but do gay people really want to be monitered all the time to make sure their rights aren't being impeded? Seriously, a gay council of all things? I mean, certainly a council that observes human rights on a large scale is fine, but a group MONITERING my country and reporting everytime some ignorant hick tells a gay joke, I don't like it. This of course excludes the bad grammar redundancy and othe problems with this resolution everyone above me has pointed out.
Forgottenlands
12-03-2006, 02:35
The other four numbers in that set are given unconditionally as long as the person is gay--marriage/adoption/discounts/respect. We feel it could be interpreted that public office could also be given unconditionally to gays, without an election, interview, etc.
Um.....I think you're reading too much into that....
Remember, you only have to follow the letter - and the letter definitely doesn't make that connection for you.
Fonzoland
12-03-2006, 03:06
Fine. (Jey, what's wrong with this clause?)
Can someone please point out why the "right" to hold public office has anything to do with anything? If I have a law saying you are only eligible to run for President if you are over 35, have voted in the previous elections, and have no criminal record, I would be in breach of this fine piece of legislation... I won't even mention autocracies.
The Most Glorious Hack
12-03-2006, 03:33
probably the worst written proposal I've ever seenTut tut. There was the Dolphin nonsense, the solar panals, the SAVE TEH FORRESTS OF TEH WURLD! one, too. This is, at best, the fifth worst I've ever seen.
And that's not counting the ones I've deleted...
Omigodtheykilledkenny
12-03-2006, 03:36
The original "Gay Rights" proposal wasn't the greatest legislative achievement of all time, either. :rolleyes:
Forgottenlands
12-03-2006, 04:10
Tut tut. There was the Dolphin nonsense, the solar panals, the SAVE TEH FORRESTS OF TEH WURLD! one, too. This is, at best, the fifth worst I've ever seen.
And that's not counting the ones I've deleted...
Dolphins and #48 don't come close to this one, but you have a point on Solar Panels.
Everyone picks on the Protection of Dolphins resolution. What was wrong with that? Am I missing something?
Zeldon 6229 Nodlez
12-03-2006, 10:06
Description: NOTING that all humans were created equal inculding,Straight,Gay,Male,Female
Thus if they are all created equal what makes them different from anyone else? Thus have a need for special consideration above any other group. When you single an individual out for something about them the equality is no more. As one is either below the other or above them and no longer equal.
That 'Created Equal' ends when they leave the womb and enter the real world as too many factors make them different. Thus why add another to make them even more different or somebody else different. As noboby wins when you single out certain individuals for special considerations. All you do is give one group something to use to abuse the other groups.
What individuals need to do is respect each other. If nation A hangs gays then don't go to nation A... there is always nation B or C... if you meet their requirements for entry or even citizenship.
Dorksonia
12-03-2006, 16:03
What about the rights of people who are not happy?
Sillytopia
12-03-2006, 16:07
What about the rights of people who are not happy?
Hahahahahaahahahahah rofl lol
Fonzoland
12-03-2006, 16:46
Hahahahahaahahahahah rofl lol[/sarcasm]
TO ANY NATION WHO'S POLICIES INCLUDE LGBT RIGHTS AND CIVIL RIGHTS PLEASE HELP GET THIS PROPOSAL TO THE FLOOR FOR A VOTE:
http://www.nationstates.net/92416/page=UN_proposal/start=25
Gay Rights
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.
Category: Human Rights
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Markiria
Description: NOTING that all humans were created equal inculding,Straight,Gay,Male,Female
NOTING that gay citizens should be allowed equal rights as every other person.
RELIZING Gay citiznes should be granted
1Gay Marrige
2Gay Adoption(The Child shall deside on their behalf)
3Right to hold public office
4Right to get discounts on things if married
5Right to be respected
STATING Any Un nation will have to right to Allow or Ban any of these ideas by a 2/3 passing vote in their goverment.
CREATING:The GCC (Gay coucil commision) Who will moniter the rights of all gay citizens. And if they find agressive abuse against any gay member of socitey they will alert the Hosting Nation and will try to fix the problem.(Only if a perment is obtained by the Hosting Un nation.
Voting Ends: Tue Mar 14 2006Oddly, some of the ideas here are pretty good. But the way it is presented, mispelt, and poorly written brings this proposal down. Plus the good stuff is surrounded by bad stuff.
Mind if I try a rewrite?
CONVINCED in the equality of all peoples irrespective of sexuality or gender and determined to maintain and hold true to this principle
EAGER to ensure the equality of all peoples, and promote equality and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction.
MINDFUL of the need to ensure positive discrimination is limited
DETERMINED that member states shall grant equal freedoms to all peoples irrespective of gender or sexuality, including
- Opportunities for marriage/civil partnerships and all the benefits this entails
- Equal Opportunities for professions and career choices.
- Equal Opportunities for standing for public office and government positions
- Equal Opportunities for lifestyle choices, such as (but not limited to) adoption, residency in a state, and physical self-determination
- Equal Opportunities for all peoples in all criminal procedures.
That took me 3 minutes, is better (although not perfect)
Work from there, and we might have something to work with.
Dancing Bananland
13-03-2006, 19:15
That is a much better bill, alhtough I'm certain there is a proposal somewhere that alredy does this. Oh well, safety in redundancy. Submit the re-write Hirota.
Forgottenlands
13-03-2006, 19:33
Considering the 5000 different discrimination resolutions.....doesn't this seem redundant?
That is a much better bill, alhtough I'm certain there is a proposal somewhere that alredy does this. Oh well, safety in redundancy. Submit the re-write Hirota.I'm not really interested in submitting this, although I think it is better than a lot of resolutions out there. Why?
A) it does not legislate specifically for any gender or sexual orientation
B) It ensures all groups should have equal rights under national law.
C) It does not mean one specific group should be able to stand for government, when that might be against the form of government present (eg dictatorship)
It's a place to start on a resolution, but only if a lot of existing resolutions were repealled, not just the "gay rights" ones.
Plus, I am not sure it is good enough for submission