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Abortion Compromise Act [Draft]

The Cat-Tribe
11-03-2006, 14:48
Abortion Compromise Act
A resolution to effectively end abortion without violating human rights

Human Rights
Strong
The Cat-Tribe

The United Nations,

Recognizing that the Abortion Legality Convention does nothing to solve the problem of abortion,

Recognizing that the ALC does nothing to prevent the potential slaughter of billions of unborn children,

Recognizing that the ALC does nothing to prevent the potential subjugation of billions of women,

Noting almost all abortions are the result of an unwanted pregnancy,

Further noting universally available, 100%-effective, easy-to-use birth control combined with aggressive and effective sex education and family planning programs could eliminate almost all unwanted pregnancies.,

Emphasizing a woman has a right to self-ownership and bodily control,

Realizing a woman’s right to terminate her pregnancy need not result in the death of the unborn child,

With confidence in the combined technology of the UN Member States,

1. REQUIRES every UN Member State to invest in, share, and utilize technology, methods, and techniques for:

universally available, easy-to-use birth control of maximum effectiveness,

universally taught, effective sex education and family planning programs,

safe removal of an unborn zygote/embryo/fetus during any stage of pregnancy without harm to the unborn child; and

implantation and raising of unborn children using surrogate and/or adopted mothers or incubators or other methods;

2. DECLARES that every woman has a right to termination of her pregnancy at any time provided that the unborn child is not significantly harmed and may be implanted and raised using surrogate and/or adopted mothers or incubators or other method.

Just of the top o' my head so far. Wadda think? Should I run it up the crucifex and see who genuflects?

Seriously, comments, critiques, bitches and moans are appreciated.
Cluichstan
11-03-2006, 15:20
It's proposals like these that led the ALC to such a decisive win on the floor in the first place. :rolleyes:
The Cat-Tribe
11-03-2006, 15:25
It's proposals like these that led the ALC to such a decisive win on the floor in the first place. :rolleyes:

I'll take that as an "I didn't really read it and have nothing constructive to say." :rolleyes:
Cluichstan
11-03-2006, 15:31
Oh, I read it. It's just another presumptuous attempt to impose one's views on all nations. Good luck with that.
The Cat-Tribe
11-03-2006, 15:36
Oh, I read it. It's just another presumptuous attempt to impose one's views on all nations. Good luck with that.

Which views? That abortion ought to be rare? I thought that was pretty universal.

The ALC implied abortion was bad. This merely takes steps to eliminate abortion without impinging on women's rights. You can still ban abortion.

What exactly do you have a problem with: the language crticizing the ALC, the contraceptives, the pregnancy transplants?
Cluichstan
11-03-2006, 15:44
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Omigodtheykilledkenny
11-03-2006, 16:04
*snip*Illegal; contradicts ALC. Repeal ALC and we'll talk. :rolleyes:
Forgottenlands
11-03-2006, 17:57
Cluich, are you capable of walking into a single abortion debate without getting snippy?

Which views? That abortion ought to be rare? I thought that was pretty universal.

False, there's opinions from abortion should never happen to abortion should happen on a whim from the mother - and they're ALL popular

Abortion Compromise Act
A resolution to effectively end abortion without violating human rights

Human Rights
Strong
The Cat-Tribe

I generally hold a rule of thumb that if you're writing a "Strong" resolution, there's probably a problem. Strong indicates a radical shift in position and enforcing that position strictly


The United Nations,

Recognizing that the Abortion Legality Convention does nothing to solve the problem of abortion,

Recognizing that the ALC does nothing to prevent the potential slaughter of billions of unborn children,

Recognizing that the ALC does nothing to prevent the potential subjugation of billions of women,


You just alternated from pro-life to pro-choice position - and you probably pissed off both sides.

Noting almost all abortions are the result of an unwanted pregnancy,

Agreed

Further noting universally available, 100%-effective, easy-to-use birth control combined with aggressive and effective sex education and family planning programs could eliminate almost all unwanted pregnancies.,

None of them are 100% effective. Condoms officially state 97% while birth control pills state 99% - if used correctly. Due to incorrect usage, those numbers generally drop about 5%.

Emphasizing a woman has a right to self-ownership and bodily control,

Pro-choice

Realizing a woman’s right to terminate her pregnancy need not result in the death of the unborn child,

Fine

With confidence in the combined technology of the UN Member States,

um.....

1. REQUIRES every UN Member State to invest in, share, and utilize technology, methods, and techniques for:

universally available, easy-to-use birth control of maximum effectiveness,

universally taught, effective sex education and family planning programs,

safe removal of an unborn zygote/embryo/fetus during any stage of pregnancy without harm to the unborn child; and

implantation and raising of unborn children using surrogate and/or adopted mothers or incubators or other methods;

Ok - surrogates are next to impossible to deal with, and incubators you can get for third trimester pretty easily. However, the first and second trimester fetus are next to impossible to address. Future-tech nations are probably capable of doing that, but you are putting pressure on a small percentage to supply this technology to the rest of the UN. Add on that you are forcing some nations to recognized FT nations - something that isn't necessarily accepted.

2. DECLARES that every woman has a right to termination of her pregnancy at any time provided that the unborn child is not significantly harmed and may be implanted and raised using surrogate and/or adopted mothers or incubators or other method.

Ok....

Just of the top o' my head so far. Wadda think? Should I run it up the crucifex and see who genuflects?

Seriously, comments, critiques, bitches and moans are appreciated.

Honestly, you could probably look at Clinical Abortion Rights and rip off a fair number of its clauses and come up with, more-or-less, your idea only with a realistic view of current tech levels.
Safalra
11-03-2006, 17:59
2. DECLARES that every woman has a right to termination of her pregnancy at any time provided that the unborn child is not significantly harmed and may be implanted and raised using surrogate and/or adopted mothers or incubators or other method.
So in other words, bans abortion in most nations? (That level of technology is future-tech, and most nations are modern-tech.)

Edit: Forgottenlands beat me to it...
Tzorsland
11-03-2006, 18:48
Completely OOC: HOLY CODE BATMAN. I never knew they supported the INDENT command here. Massively cool. You get a complementary Pelican on a Stick for that.

Abortion Compromise Act
A resolution to effectively end abortion without violating human rights

1. REQUIRES every UN Member State to invest in, share, and utilize technology, methods, and techniques for:

2. DECLARES that every woman has a right to termination of her pregnancy at any time provided that the unborn child is not significantly harmed and may be implanted and raised using surrogate and/or adopted mothers or incubators or other method.


First of all, you really need to rename this. Nothing is related to abortion in this bill in any manner, except to future tech god-mod an excuse to never need one.

Clause 1 is reasonable although most will oppose it on Nat-Sov grounds. Sex education often carries significant moral baggage and also rubs against a number of local social taboos. More often than not sex education also comes with hidden agendas and are often used by groups to promote other aagendas especially abortion.

Properly written clause 1 could be made to stand as its own resolution renamed as someting like the Universal Sexual Education Standards Committee or USESC.

Clause 2 as others have pointed out is future tech god-modding. You can't assume a technology level among the various nation states and you certanly can't assume a level of tech that cannot be reasonably supported at this time. The whole concept of transplanting a fetus that has already had a significant bonding period with the inner walls of a uterus is something that would require a significant amount of future tech.

If you think abortion is flame material, future tech is guarenteed to start forum wars. Even present tech (solar/hydrogen) gets people into violently heated debates.

So, rework clause 1 to be more comprehensive, drop clause 2 and rename the resolution to be more of an educational one and you have a winning idea. Otherwise this will probably be DOA. With the ALC most pro-lifers are happy they don't have to argue the issue anymore and no pro-"We must sacrifice preborn people to Violet" will support it.

(Did I just write that? Of course! This is NATION STATES! Where extreeme people happen all the time. In writing this I want to state that I do not believe that there are any Pro-Abortion Violetists in real life. But given the other Violet topics I'm sure they would think it's a pretty nifty idea, given they are into the human sacrifice thing and all that.) :p
Gruenberg
11-03-2006, 19:29
If the esteemed representative ofTzorsland had bothered to read it, he'd know TCT isn't "pro-abortion".

Gruenberg supports ALC etc etc, but if it were repealed, and if we were unable to replace, this is the form of resolution we would prefer.
The Most Glorious Hack
11-03-2006, 20:18
None of them are 100% effective.Keeping your dick in your pants is...
Forgottenlands
11-03-2006, 20:24
Keeping your dick in your pants is...

Actually, that isn't even true. There's been more than a few cases worldwide where there's been virgin births in the present day. Considering that there's supposedly a flap in there that is standing between sperm and the uterus when sex is not being engaged in, it isn't hard to imagine that with some of the messed up anomolies we have these days, it is possible that this flap malfunctions for some women and...yeah - the rest is all bad luck.
Compadria
11-03-2006, 20:56
Noting almost all abortions are the result of an unwanted pregnancy,

Call me pedantic, but I'd say this was stating the obvious somewhat.

Further noting universally available, 100%-effective, easy-to-use birth control combined with aggressive and effective sex education and family planning programs could eliminate almost all unwanted pregnancies.,

As has been noted by other honourable delegates, there is no such thing as a 100% effective contraceptive measure and sex education and family planning have their limits in effectiveness, particularly if inadequate resources are provided to back them up. As such, we should be careful that we provide a mechanism to assist nations in fulfilling the terms of these types of proposal.

Emphasizing a woman has a right to self-ownership and bodily control,

Realizing a woman’s right to terminate her pregnancy need not result in the death of the unborn child,

I'm somewhat confused by the second point. How would termination not result in the death of the feoutus.

With confidence in the combined technology of the UN Member States,

1. REQUIRES every UN Member State to invest in, share, and utilize technology, methods, and techniques for:

universally available, easy-to-use birth control of maximum effectiveness,

universally taught, effective sex education and family planning programs,

safe removal of an unborn zygote/embryo/fetus during any stage of pregnancy without harm to the unborn child; and

implantation and raising of unborn children using surrogate and/or adopted mothers or incubators or other methods;

Removal would be in man ways more risky than a termination and even more difficult to perform, since the likelihood of it being accomplished would require that the feoutus be at least in the second trimester as a prelude to survival.

2. DECLARES that every woman has a right to termination of her pregnancy at any time provided that the unborn child is not significantly harmed and may be implanted and raised using surrogate and/or adopted mothers or incubators or other method.[/INDENT]

Then we are not talking about termination or abortion, but something completely different.

Actually, that isn't even true. There's been more than a few cases worldwide where there's been virgin births in the present day. Considering that there's supposedly a flap in there that is standing between sperm and the uterus when sex is not being engaged in, it isn't hard to imagine that with some of the messed up anomolies we have these days, it is possible that this flap malfunctions for some women and...yeah - the rest is all bad luck.

Perhaps entering a monastery would be sufficient;) .

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.
Fonzoland
11-03-2006, 21:07
I suggest a new name. "The OMG-unborn-baby transplant act"
Dancing Bananland
11-03-2006, 22:53
I like that this bill tries to find a happy medium, but it does insist on a level of technology non-existent in many nations (a point previously made). Thus, I would suggest a STONGLY URGES a safe fetus transplant, and a requirement of netural councel (to appease the pro-lifers) but ultimately allow for an all out pregnancy termination.

On a side note, do any of these abortion resolutions regulate the use of the "Day after pill"?